Tired of Season 3 haters/non-believers. The Proof is in the Paradigm!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I don't mean this to offend anyone, but just bring all the facts out in the open. It seems to me that Season 3 in inevitable--everything in the detailed series and the business end points to it. I recently posted this in response to a non-believer on Adult Swim's boards, and in response, I still had people ignoring this and adamantly saying there's NO CHANCE for season 3. As mentioned, I greatly differ. Please read this (especially the note on 26 additional episodes) and tell me what you think:

It's not over till the fat lady sings! I believe in BIG O Season 3 (and have come with proof of it). I've been a fan since its days on Toonami and supported the creation of Season 2 via letter. I have a different outlook on the series than some whiole others share it. Given all of the clues and poignant symbolism (religious and otherwise) it seems to me this is just the calm before the real storm. The end of an ACT in a larger 'play' that still has 'acts' to come. Roger failed in his negotiations.By the full ending of Season 2, we see that Angel and Dorothy have apparently been carried over with some sense of memories, but Paradigm is still a "City of Amnesia."Paradigm is still stuck in a purgatory like existence doomed to repeat its cycle of destruction and thus reset. However, Roger is supposed to stop that, to "Negotiate with the "Creator and get the memories back and a future. This is a show about heavy, thick plot. The robot and mecha action is in a sense, red herrings.

Each time you watch it, you can piece together a bit more of what's truly happening. This is much much deeper than a Cowboy Bebop here, and for closure's sake, we need more than what we have. This is the kind of quality series that shouldn't be limited by 26 episodes. Back in the day, there were series that exceeded that, and i think this one, which is a great epic, that should be allowed to finish its tale. Its not just simply a TV show by Angel...very little evidence for that. Though a sort of simulation is involved, there was some kind of Event that makes this (limited) simulation a nessessity. The simulation apparently has to do with the solution to a problem in the world of compelte reality, and until that solution is found, BIG VENUS will appear to Reset the simulation's failure--which is apparently when mankind tries to destroy itself again.

Of course this is not the solution, because I'm not the creator and also, we have not been given all the clues yet. Bottom line, until the Reset is stopped, the series goes on, and it will not be the same each time. Besides, looking at this as an anime, we, the viewer have been through/seen a full cycle of a reset. Now the next part of the series is logically, how do you stop this--which apparently is Roger's fate. How many times has he died? This time he had Dorothy to save him from drowning in ACT 26, but previously he didn't. It seems to suggest more and more things are falling into place each reset for Roger to set things right. Angel is now there and can help too possibly in the new existence since she and Dorothy TOGETHER watch Roger drive by in the end. It can't be the same as 1 and 2, cause that's already different right there and also, the past hasn't exactly been the same, where Roger was a military pilot, Dorothy a human, etc, etc. I feel this series above any other has EARNED a Season 3 that will more than likely be incredible. The were able to capitolize a lot on Season 1 in ways we from the Toonami days never could have never imagined. The writers working on this are experienced and good at what they do..don't think they're out of ideas. Their show got cancelled way back when, and now that its back up and running, the accumulated ideas from over the years need this thing to be told to the finish.

Going beyond the story, and all the many mysteries that remain, look at this from a creation/production standpoint.

-Adult Swim talks in a bumper that premeired soon after the start of Season 2's US airing about a possible Season 3 if ratings go well and the execs can be convinced. (not word for word, but that was the idea of the statement)

-The last episode is called: "THE SHOW MUST GO ON." (A metaphor for life, and also, that Paradigm's struggle remains....it's not meant to be literal, that it's a tv show.)

-Many new elements are added right at the end as teasers, just like the Barcodes and Tomatos of SEASON 1's ending.

-BIG ONE: Anime news sites report the following: "Cartoon Network has an option for an additional 26 episodes of BIG O (not including the 13 new ones that begin airing August 31 on Adult Swim)." (word for word right there)

-Act 26 was dubbed a "Season Finale" by Adult Swim, not a series finale.

-BIG O's ratings were reported as quite high just recently, even with competition like Wolf's Rain.

Now, I'm not saying expect another Season or two very quickly, especially with all the moves Adult Swim has been making purchasing Anime and Comedy shows recently, but season 3 is gonna happen. There's no reason for CN to back down out of a "buyer option" deal like the one reported above if the show has been successful--which it has.

Like before, there'll be a wait...but I've waited a long time before and I'm prepared. My guess is in a year or two we'll see that once again, its SHOWTIME, and Roger will be in a whole new slew of situations COMPLETELY different than BIG O Season 1 and 2 as it reaches toward its ultimate climax and a final ending.

I love this guy!
*points to Paradigm Dog*

You are twice the obsessed big o fan than I'll ever manage to be, and I feel exactly the same way, season 3 will happen eventually, its only logical.

I mean what possesed them to make the second season in the first place? Its obviously been a huge sucess, other new shows such as Wolf's Rain haven't done as well as big o (I think!?)

http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/bo...48646&jump=true

(last page)

Only sad thing I hear though is that Action is being murdered in the ratings when compared to Comedy.

Your faith is. . . very comforting. I hope very much that you continue to believe.



muchlove
-dork

>>Roger failed in his negotiations.

He came to terms.

>>By the full ending of Season 2, we see that Angel and Dorothy have apparently been carried over with some sense of memories

How can this be supported? The camera just shows them together. It could mean they have no memories, and just like the bystanders in the streets, they look at the mysterious man in the black car. They could be friends. It's just wishful thinking to believe they still have memories.

>>However, Roger is supposed to stop that, to "Negotiate with the "Creator and get the memories back and a future.

Who says he didn't? And if he didn't, who says he will be doing it during this time cycle?

>>This is the kind of quality series that shouldn't be limited by 26 episodes.

I'll take quality over quantity. Leaving the series as it is, you become self-satisfied with what you believed what truly happened. I don't want the creator making over-convoluted so it just drags on or make it so simple, its weak. I want to believe what I believe. And I can, since nothing concrete contradicts it. It is open-ended, leaves one to think, and become satisfied. Even if they thirst for more, its best it ended this way.

>>Of course this is not the solution, because I'm not the creator and also, we have not been given all the clues yet.

Who says he has to? Imagination exists for a reason.

>>Bottom line, until the Reset is stopped, the series goes on, and it will not be the same each time.

Look at the majority of shows. Just because a series ends, doesn't mean the characters end. Their lives continued whether documented by the creator or not. (This is assuming the fictional is real in their realm)

>>How many times has he died?

Who the hell knows? Why do we have to know? He could have died 2 times or 35827582776289347230 times.

>>This time he had Dorothy to save him from drowning in ACT 26, but previously he didn't.

Eh? What concrete evidence do you have that isn't based from a wacky theory that she didn't?

>>It seems to suggest more and more things are falling into place each reset for Roger to set things right.

He could have done damn near perfect the 1st time, but the 58738th could have been an udder disaster. Who knows?

>>Angel is now there and can help too possibly in the new existence since she and Dorothy TOGETHER watch Roger drive by in the end.

Again, their roles could have changed.

>>Their show got cancelled way back when, and now that its back up and running, the accumulated ideas from over the years need this thing to be told to the finish.

This show will last to eternity. What happens after Roger gets it right? Is it over? As far as I am told, that whole spiel of Acts 13-26 have finished. What if their ideas are to par as your ideas? You'll surely be disappointed. It's best it ended this way. The creator cannot f*** it up. Because there'll be at least one person who liked their own accounts of what they conjured up to happen in comparison to the creators' accounts that become official.

>>-Adult Swim talks in a bumper that premeired soon after the start of Season 2's US airing about a possible Season 3 if ratings go well and the execs can be convinced. (not word for word, but that was the idea of the statement)

Mere messengers. AS has no control. CN has financial powers, but they don't hold the key to whether it will be continued. They can only persuade, which is a gamble for the quality of the series.

>>-The last episode is called: "THE SHOW MUST GO ON." (A metaphor for life, and also, that Paradigm's struggle remains....it's not meant to be literal, that it's a tv show.)

It was usage of stark imagery. Its like the opening and ending scenes of Act 26. It just makes you think. I see no significance in it beyond that.

>>-Many new elements are added right at the end as teasers, just like the Barcodes and Tomatos of SEASON 1's ending.

Do tell. I really didn't notice anything that wasnt shown throughout season 2.

>>-BIG ONE: Anime news sites report the following: "Cartoon Network has an option for an additional 26 episodes of BIG O (not including the 13 new ones that begin airing August 31 on Adult Swim)." (word for word right there)

Again, the option. That doesnt mean the creator will allow more to be made. He can simply say, "Thats all I had!". CN would be forceful, and the creator will pour out weak sh**.

>>-Act 26 was dubbed a "Season Finale" by Adult Swim, not a series finale.

Because of the option, they probably weren't sure. They probably have no clue what the Japanese are up to either.

>>My guess is in a year or two we'll see that once again, its SHOWTIME, and Roger will be in a whole new slew of situations COMPLETELY different than BIG O Season 1 and 2 as it reaches toward its ultimate climax and a final ending.

No. Season 1 ended with 'To be continued'. It was meant to be continued, and that is obvious. Season 2 concluded. Terms reached. It can be ended. Just because its a ratings winner and CN will openly purchase new episodes, doesn't mean the creator will agree. It's his work of art, he chooses what he wants to do. I feel it ended perfectly.

...But y'know thats just my opinion. I know everyone wants a season 3, so its kind of futile for me to argue it anymore.

Paradigm Dog you are awesome!

Though there are tiny inconsistancies...(sp?)...it's really brings together alot of the evidence.


But still, let's bug them until they make Season 3!

Well, I find Paradigm Dog's appeal for a Season three to my liking. I feel Season 2 has not satisfactorily answered many key questions.

number9, you made some good arguments in opposition to a Season 3. I respect that. But like most member of this fora, I personally want a season 3.

So, kudos to both of you.

Though this would make little difference, I still say the ending which I tried to make by using "Divine" seems to be alot better than the one they used in the show. Without the book and without that speech (which in japanese sounded cool but in english SUCKED) and WITH the awesome ending song (Divine) seemed to wrap up the season alot better.
however if they HAD used Divine, then there would have been no need for a season3 ~~;; ...WE NEED A SEASON 3! A prequal would be nice though, to show how all of it got started...or even a continuation of what happened in Season2...whatever they choose I hope they do it!

Paradigm Dog, I notice you have no fangirls. Do you want one? I love you! Very well thought out... Now, hopefully, AS is as logical as you are.

I applaud you Paradigm Dog! You brought up very good points.

I also applaud you number9 because you brought up a few good counterpoints.

I agree that Dorothy and Angel have a few of their memories from before the reset. Why not? If Dorothy's memory had been "reset" then she would be back with her father(s) doing what she always did, not in the street with Angel. And Angel...well, Angel would be doing what she did in the beginning of the series.

I did catch that Season Finale bit. CN probably has a few ideas as to wanting to keep on going, but then, they could be humoring us.

As to a season 3, I know the public demands it. We have three different versions of Season 3 in the Nightengale. ACT's Season 3 is the first to finish up, and he is now producing Season 4 every month. Each episode of these seasons are being met with great enthusiasm, so the creators' logic could also be accepted.

Like I told myself when Season 2 was secure, if I don't like Season 3 (assuming there is one) I can say the show ended at the last Act. I don't have to buy any more merchandise or DVDs.

I think there is quite possibly a good chance for a Season 3. I'm not sure how Japan accepted Big O II (I don't think it went over well, but was recieved with mixed reviews), but over here, it seems very popular. In general, we seem to be able to hook into something in the show that makes us really like it.

My last argument is: if CN had no intention of trying to continue the series, how come 1.) They pursued a season 2 and 2.) purchased a 7 ft model of Big O from Japan? From what I understand, CN likes Big O as much as we do.

Later,
Pen1300

For what it's worth, I'm a professional writer -- though of nonfiction, admittedly. With some experience, you can generally see another writer's intentions by the way he puts his work together, whether it's fiction or nonfiction.

A competent writer would have gone about Season 2 in different ways, depending on whether he wanted there to be a Season 3 or not. If he wanted everything to end in Act 26, he would shoot for a satisfying ending that wrapped up at least the majority of loose plot threads.

A good example of this would be FUTURE BOY CONAN, which ended with the main villain dead, the last of the world-shattering technology wrecked, and the last scientist who understood it (though a good guy) also safely dead. The overall plot: "The technology that destroyed the world is still around, and the people who still have it haven't learned their lesson, and will end up killing us all" was thus resolved completely.

In BIG O, nothing of the sort happens at all. What do we have at the end? We don't know what really happened when Big O and Big Venus merged, only that the three main characters are still around and seem happy. The world-shattering technology is still there, and we don't know how it works, and don't know if anyone, even Angel, understands it very well. The amnesia is still there, and we still haven't learned why. Alex is dead, but Paradigm sprouts villains like mushrooms. Both women are still around, both of them still love Roger, and, when it comes right down to it, Roger loves both of them -- though it's clear that he has decided to stick with Dorothy. So far.

What we have is a situation where the main conflict of Season 2 -- the threat represented by Alex Rosewater -- has been resolved, but the conflicts and mysteries from Season 1 still haven't been. And, as in Season 1, new mysteries were piled on top of old ones in the last episodes of the season and left unresolved.

This is about as different from wrapping up the show as it is possible to be. They had a climax for Season 2 but did NOTHING to resolve the overall issues of the show.

As Dork and others have said, the creators of the show take literary conventions and twist them into interesting pretzel shapes. You can't say, "Roger is like Batman, so he will be bitter and twisted." He isn't. You can't say, "This reminds me of The Matrix, so I know what's going to happen next." You don't. If BIG O had really been film noir, the femme fatale would have been a double-dyed villain, and Roger would have died because of her. It didn't work out that way.

So I think that people who are confident in their cliches are barking up the wrong tree.

The show is wide open for a season 3. They gave us a season 2 climax without resolving anything very much. We really don't even know if Alex Rosewater is dead. The rest of Paradigm reappeaed, why not Alex?

The show's creators are full of suprises. Just look at Act 14. Whatever we expected for a Season 2 opener, it wasn't ROGER THE WANDERER!

The issue with the show is really down to filthy lucre. A season 3 will be produced eventually if the right people believe it will be profitable, and won't be if everyone's convinced it will lose money. Adult Swim has right of first refusal, but there are also other networks, and there's such as thing as OVA.

A Clockwork Tomato does bring up some good points, but I think number9 has the most points. I mean if you go with the fact that it was all a show directed by Angel, maybe in the real world (the one where the show is aired) it was cancelled or ended. As of A Clockwork Tomato's writer view, the writers of Big O, arn't you normal cliches. Another show that had, and has a huge fan base is FLCL, yet that show has never gotten respective answers. As number9 says I would prefer quality over quantity. Not that I don't want a Season 3, its just that we must prepare in the case that their isn't a season 3. Writers are weird people, sometimes money isn't everything to them, or they already have enough.... One of the reasons Im backing number9 is the fact that he has good points, and the fact that no one else will support him... EQUALITY!

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Originally posted by IrrelevantWriters are weird people, sometimes money isn't everything to them, or they already have enough....

Could you give a couple of examples? Writers have mortgages to pay and kids to put through college like everyone else. They tend not to turn down work unless they have competing offers that pay just as well.

Anyway, Act 26 was a good season finale, but was awfully lame as a series finale. I expect better of Big O's writers.

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Originally posted by pen1300 I applaud you Paradigm Dog! You brought up very good points. I also applaud you number9 because you brought up a few good counterpoints. I agree that Dorothy and Angel have a few of their memories from before the reset. Why not? If Dorothy's memory had been "reset" then she would be back with her father(s) doing what she always did, not in the street with Angel. And Angel...well, Angel would be doing what she did in the beginning of the series. I did catch that Season Finale bit. CN probably has a few ideas as to wanting to keep on going, but then, they could be humoring us. As to a season 3, I know the public demands it. We have three different versions of Season 3 in the Nightengale. ACT's Season 3 is the first to finish up, and he is now producing Season 4 every month. Each episode of these seasons are being met with great enthusiasm, so the creators' logic could also be accepted. Like I told myself when Season 2 was secure, if I don't like Season 3 (assuming there is one) I can say the show ended at the last Act. I don't have to buy any more merchandise or DVDs. I think there is quite possibly a good chance for a Season 3. I'm not sure how Japan accepted Big O II (I don't think it went over well, but was recieved with mixed reviews), but over here, it seems very popular. In general, we seem to be able to hook into something in the show that makes us really like it. My last argument is: if CN had no intention of trying to continue the series, how come 1.) They pursued a season 2 and 2.) purchased a 7 ft model of Big O from Japan? From what I understand, CN likes Big O as much as we do. Later, Pen1300

Don't forget Pen, they also cut off the last minute of Act26 that one time...trying to make it look complete...This hints to that maybe they had second thoughts and that Big O should just end.
However, you are right...why go through all the trouble of paying for the second season AND a huge model of Big O if they didn't support the series?
I think we just need to keep bugging them. That's the way to go until we're sure!

lol. There's gotta be some level of support at CN to purchase that kind of fandom. (I only have a 7 inch BIG O figure, so that's really saying something. lol)

But getting back to serious discussion, as Pen1300 also says, CN "paid for a Season 2" and something must have sparked a 26 episode extension option talk. A netowork wouldn't jump on and say lets do, magical number 26 more. If anything, they would have said 13, because that would equal the gamble they took on Season 2. The creators of the BIG O obviously have something in mind the way they put Season 2 together and the way Cartoon Network reacted during talks soon after. Because Adult Swim personell saw the ending of BIG O II before any of us and was praising it and rubbing that fact in our face in the bumpers during that first run. I think these creators have some general direction of where they're going. I don't think they'll milk it, because lets look at the origins:

The creators tried to sell BIG O as a toy franchise...didn't work. So they had to work on the story and push it through Bandai's animation division, where they became interested in the property--which was partially inspired by mystery/detective shows. This series didn't start out as a 13 episode show...it became that way because it got cancelled...but the creators said they wanted to do more...evident by the extra elements like the Barcodes and Tomatos added at the end of Season 1 that were not previously there. They finally got their season 2, but after all this time, is that all they have? I wonder, would Season 2 have been the same if after 13 episodes the series hadn't been cancelled in the first place? They had a story in place, and given extra time, they probably built on it and evolved it. I know I'm streching it a bit here, but they did intend for more that 13 to begin with so it makes some level of sense. And anyways, ROGER THE WANDERER tells me they're some crazy people (in a good way) who have lots of ideas.

Before I move on, I have to say Number9 did a very good job defending his stance and Irrelevant in supporting it. Hat's off to you both. Afterall, in the world of BIG O, nothing is quite as it seems. Still, I'd like to elaborate a little more now with the extra input. (modified from Number9's well-done response to my points. My counter to his counters are in red):

>>Roger failed in his negotiations.

He came to terms.

---He Came to Terms in that he defeated Rosewater (for now) who apparently wanted to usurp the simulation/reality as its new Creator god and possibly succeeded on some level to save a part of Angel (otherwise, why the long speech and the change in the last scene). Still, the place is still called a City of Amnesia. Roger completed an ACT. But he's Come to Terms before and still had future new missions. Also, I feel the BIG O creators were nervous that the US (which they were banking on) might find the whole Season a bit too weird...lots of unprecedented stuff for the Season 1 BIG O, like the freaky Alan Gabriel for instance...not to mention an crazy ending. So they were perhaps making a safety net for themselves as writers so they could move on with their writing lives knowing they had created a sort of ending to BIG O, just maybe not the full one they would have liked. Because they were disappointed when they couldn't finish off last time, but new in their hearts there was no way they could say its over, as Roger was still rather clueless and BIG O was about to fight those interesting Foreign Megadei--thus, then it was TO BE CONTINUED casue there was no way that had remotely Come to Terms.

>>By the full ending of Season 2, we see that Angel and Dorothy have apparently been carried over with some sense of memories

How can this be supported? The camera just shows them together. It could mean they have no memories, and just like the bystanders in the streets, they look at the mysterious man in the black car. They could be friends. It's just wishful thinking to believe they still have memories.

--- Wishful thinking, yes. I am making a jump here. But thinking in writing terms, why would they even bother showing them like that then? They could have just ended it with things disappearing with BIG VENUS. There was some reason for showing this tiny thread. Because Angel should be doing something for Paradigm right about now and Dorothy a captive of Beck, as Pen noted.

>>However, Roger is supposed to stop that, to "Negotiate with the "Creator and get the memories back and a future.

Who says he didn't? And if he didn't, who says he will be doing it during this time cycle?

--- Cause Roger's the main man, and this is an anime series. An additional 26 if not 13 (though 26 might be nice in actuality) is more than enough to close this properly and give us some exciting adventures with plenty of detective elements that were often lacking in Season 2 since they were pushing the 'beat Rosewater' thread hard. Every proper series has to have a point of good closure for the viewer, tying up a majority of the plot threads, which hasn't been done yet. But its an anime series, it's gotta end, so this time Roger has to get it right, or at least comes to some sort of revelation for a need of the RESET that gives us a full ending. Personally, I'd like to see Roger come out on top though. We don't have a great concept of how many times the reset occured, but its happened a good amount of times its fair to say. We as viewers were along for the ride on the latest of RESETs so the writers could show us what our guy Roger and company are up against...now that we've experienced it, we can understand where Roger's coming from and cheer him on to stop it once and for all.

>>This is the kind of quality series that shouldn't be limited by 26 episodes.

I'll take quality over quantity. Leaving the series as it is, you become self-satisfied with what you believed what truly happened. I don't want the creator making over-convoluted so it just drags on or make it so simple, its weak. I want to believe what I believe. And I can, since nothing concrete contradicts it. It is open-ended, leaves one to think, and become satisfied. Even if they thirst for more, its best it ended this way.

---- I love convolution. Heh. That's why this series is so great, it works the mind like crazy...and it's something that's been lacking in the US. There are people who want mental stimulation like this with a pinch of wit and kinetic action in the US but are not given the option usually. That's why I think BIG O creates such a stir. It fills a gap in society. So ok, yes, this is an ending of sorts, and it is nice that it makes you work for your own ending, but I'd like something a little more concrete given all of the careful details, clues, and plot building this story has done. It can't just say, 'ok I've built you up and now I'm dropping a broken puzzle with missing pieces in your lap. Good luck.' That's a little unfair, and the writers are really cheating themselves on a story that could be one of the most impressive mystery epics ever. I don't think it can hurt. If it's bad, then it's not in the individual's canon. But it might be something truly fantastic. Think of the extra excitement and thinking we've been forced do because of Season 2. More mystery than ever. I'm willing to take a chance, just like we all did with Season 2.

>>Of course this is not the solution, because I'm not the creator and also, we have not been given all the clues yet.

Who says he has to? Imagination exists for a reason.

----Answer noted just above.

>>Bottom line, until the Reset is stopped, the series goes on, and it will not be the same each time.

Look at the majority of shows. Just because a series ends, doesn't mean the characters end. Their lives continued whether documented by the creator or not. (This is assuming the fictional is real in their realm)

----The fictional realm, if done to this level, does have a sense of reality within it to answer that question. We've been drawn into lives that seem very real. I know they're not, but they are in a subconscious sort of level. Anyways, things aren't closed enough to say goodbye to the characters and live their own lives. We're still involved with them. I mean, TRIGUN, COWBOY BEBOP, and even the weirdness of FLCL had solid conclusions to them that fit and didn't need to continue any further. The characters succeeded in standing up to their and the plots past/building.

>>How many times has he died?

Who the hell knows? Why do we have to know? He could have died 2 times or 35827582776289347230 times.

----Noted earlier above.

>>This time he had Dorothy to save him from drowning in ACT 26, but previously he didn't.

Eh? What concrete evidence do you have that isn't based from a wacky theory that she didn't?

----Just a theory, with a little jump. But given the evidence of seeing a dead, drowned Roger with a punctured cockpit by those gears, similar thing was going on with Roger of the present but Dorothy came down and saved him from drowning just as he had conceded his death to BIG O. I just pointed out this possibility because the writers aren't competely writing whatever they want, they have some sort of skeleton idea of why they're showing us what they're showing us.

>>It seems to suggest more and more things are falling into place each reset for Roger to set things right.

He could have done damn near perfect the 1st time, but the 58738th could have been an udder disaster. Who knows?

----Noted above. We have seen a full RESET as a viewer; writing standpoint tells us next time will possibly be the charm.

>>Angel is now there and can help too possibly in the new existence since she and Dorothy TOGETHER watch Roger drive by in the end.

Again, their roles could have changed.

----noted above, Pen also makes note. Still, the BIG O writers could do anything...but I'm trying to look at this as a progressive thing.

>>Their show got cancelled way back when, and now that its back up and running, the accumulated ideas from over the years need this thing to be told to the finish.

This show will last to eternity. What happens after Roger gets it right? Is it over? As far as I am told, that whole spiel of Acts 13-26 have finished. What if their ideas are to par as your ideas? You'll surely be disappointed. It's best it ended this way. The creator cannot f*** it up. Because there'll be at least one person who liked their own accounts of what they conjured up to happen in comparison to the creators' accounts that become official.

----Exactly. They may mess it up. I've dealt with series that have done this before, but they're two for two and I'm ready to give them the next pitch cause they're batting pretty darn good. It's their creation afterall. I say we give'em a shot. If we don't like it, we don't have to beleive it.

>>-Adult Swim talks in a bumper that premeired soon after the start of Season 2's US airing about a possible Season 3 if ratings go well and the execs can be convinced. (not word for word, but that was the idea of the statement)

Mere messengers. AS has no control. CN has financial powers, but they don't hold the key to whether it will be continued. They can only persuade, which is a gamble for the quality of the series.

----They are messengers, but ratings talk. I think the BIG O people have something more planned, and CN will give them the money if they think it'll be profitable. They're intrigued somewhat if they made an option for 26 more before the SEASON 2 EVEN AIRED FULLY IN THE US. As long as it keeps the quality of 2, it's all good.

>>-The last episode is called: "THE SHOW MUST GO ON." (A metaphor for life, and also, that Paradigm's struggle remains....it's not meant to be literal, that it's a tv show.)

It was usage of stark imagery. Its like the opening and ending scenes of Act 26. It just makes you think. I see no significance in it beyond that.

----to each their own; much can go either way.

>>-Many new elements are added right at the end as teasers, just like the Barcodes and Tomatos of SEASON 1's ending.

Do tell. I really didn't notice anything that wasnt shown throughout season 2.

----The Gears beneath Paradigm that unlocked more mysterious images for Roger of production lines; Director Angel; Floor 666; Beck's memories of BIG O's systems; Final Stage; Gordon talking directly with the Creator; Stage Lights; Angel director person with Roger and Dorothy nearby; the cryptic ending of Angel and Dorothy together; BIG VENUS; Angel sprouts wings; etc etc.

>>-BIG ONE: Anime news sites report the following: "Cartoon Network has an option for an additional 26 episodes of BIG O (not including the 13 new ones that begin airing August 31 on Adult Swim)." (word for word right there)

Again, the option. That doesnt mean the creator will allow more to be made. He can simply say, "Thats all I had!". CN would be forceful, and the creator will pour out weak sh**.

----The creators would back off then and there wouldn't have been any talks at all. CN wouldn't take the gamble if the BIG O people didn't come with convicning evidence of more that would stimulate the viewers in the same fashion as before.

>>-Act 26 was dubbed a "Season Finale" by Adult Swim, not a series finale.

Because of the option, they probably weren't sure. They probably have no clue what the Japanese are up to either.

----Probably true. But they could have just said the "last episode" or something less defining. Who knows on that I suppose. Still, they did hint at a Season 3 possibility early in the first run.

>>My guess is in a year or two we'll see that once again, its SHOWTIME, and Roger will be in a whole new slew of situations COMPLETELY different than BIG O Season 1 and 2 as it reaches toward its ultimate climax and a final ending.

No. Season 1 ended with 'To be continued'. It was meant to be continued, and that is obvious. Season 2 concluded. Terms reached. It can be ended. Just because its a ratings winner and CN will openly purchase new episodes, doesn't mean the creator will agree. It's his work of art, he chooses what he wants to do. I feel it ended perfectly.

----Answer to this noted above earlier regarding that. In short: Season 1 had no way of being an end. 2 could pass for writer's pride sake if it failed...but they might like to do more if it was accepted.

Some final notes:

Season 2 seemed to switch the focus a lot on trying to resolve Angel's story as opposed to anyone else's if you notice. It's like the writers have plans for her in the future. But the thing is, it didn't resolve her story in the end, and it certainly didn't have the resolve of a SERIES FINALE.

ONE THING I KNOW FOR SURE: THEY BETTER NOT DO A PREQUEL!!!! Why you might ask? Because that ruins the whole premise to the entire show. If you know what happened, the incentive to watch goes down ten-fold. Imagine if in the future someone saw a prequel and then the show, it would make it cheap. I think we have to move forward with the additional 26, whether that's a big Season 3 or split between 3 and 4. In that, you'll learn about what happened in the past better, thus getting your prequel and working for it, and at the same time, reaching that comfortable conclusion.

I'm gonna repost an earlier post at a later time (casue this has gone on much longer than I thought it would. sheesh) to note how carefully images and symbolism was in this series thus far and how it would be a total cop-out if the ending is something very simple like it being Angel's TV show as some have suggested (no offense).

I appreciate all the support and discussion. This is a great forum. Now I really gotta get going. lol.

PS- Ozymandius Jones, I've never had any fangirls and don't know exactly how that works, but I appreciate the kind words.

Kickass! Quadruple post!

I'm sticking with Paradigm Dog here, don't worry about season 3 screwing up big o, if anything it will fix what they've already screwed up in season 2

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Originally posted by Paradigm Dog ONE THING I KNOW FOR SURE: THEY BETTER NOT DO A PREQUEL!!!! Why you might ask? Because that ruins the whole premise to the entire show. If you know what happened, the incentive to watch goes down ten-fold. Imagine if in the future someone saw a prequel and then the show, it would make it cheap. I think we have to move forward with the additional 26, whether that's a big Season 3 or split between 3 and 4. In that, you'll learn about what happened in the past better, thus getting your prequel and working for it, and at the same time, reaching that comfortable conclusion.

Well I saw the prequal to "Tremors" (Tremors 4) and it was really cool. A prequal would show us something...however I think that now the prequal for Big O would be bettre AS A MOVIE
Anyways, Season3 should definately be made to end the story once and for all, and if not...let's wait for a season4.

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Originally posted by evanASF27 quote: Originally posted by Paradigm Dog ONE THING I KNOW FOR SURE: THEY BETTER NOT DO A PREQUEL!!!! Why you might ask? Because that ruins the whole premise to the entire show. If you know what happened, the incentive to watch goes down ten-fold. Imagine if in the future someone saw a prequel and then the show, it would make it cheap. I think we have to move forward with the additional 26, whether that's a big Season 3 or split between 3 and 4. In that, you'll learn about what happened in the past better, thus getting your prequel and working for it, and at the same time, reaching that comfortable conclusion. Well I saw the prequal to "Tremors" (Tremors 4) and it was really cool. A prequal would show us something...however I think that now the prequal for Big O would be bettre AS A MOVIE

Yeah, I think so too. Just a one hour made for TV movie would be a great vechicle for a prequel.

But we need our last two seasons first ^_^


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