“A Fable About Man” explains much about Big O

Hey—

I’m not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I searched and didn’t find it so I thought I’d share this. I just read a Greek story for class called “A Fable About Man.” It IMO explains a lot of Big O. I will put the Big O connections in parenthesis. In this myth Jupiter creates the world as a stage on which human actors would act out plays for the gods (stage & actors). The humans become so good at acting that they are able to mimic the gods perfectly (Bigs). Jupiter went to earth and studied man (Angel went to earth???). He welcomed man to the kingdom of the gods because they were good (???). Well, this at least explains the stage, actors, man wielding the power of god and everything being a lie (because it’s all an act written by gods for the amusement of the gods). It also seems that Gordon was somehow trying to influence Jupiter (who was the director in the story). It almost seems that Angel was the human embodiment of Jupiter, but that’s really up to speculation and might be disproved by incorporating other myths and religious references into a broader interp. Try to get a hold of this story and you will be thoroughly convinced. Hope this helps!

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Originally posted by jonnycooj Hey— I’m not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I searched and didn’t find it so I thought I’d share this. I just read a Greek story for class called “A Fable About Man.” It IMO explains a lot of Big O. I will put the Big O connections in parenthesis. In this myth Jupiter creates the world as a stage on which human actors would act out plays for the gods (stage & actors). The humans become so good at acting that they are able to mimic the gods perfectly (Bigs). Jupiter went to earth and studied man (Angel went to earth???). He welcomed man to the kingdom of the gods because they were good (???). Well, this at least explains the stage, actors, man wielding the power of god and everything being a lie (because it’s all an act written by gods for the amusement of the gods). It also seems that Gordon was somehow trying to influence Jupiter (who was the director in the story). It almost seems that Angel was the human embodiment of Jupiter, but that’s really up to speculation and might be disproved by incorporating other myths and religious references into a broader interp. Try to get a hold of this story and you will be thoroughly convinced. Hope this helps!

Interesting, helps us add another level of mytholigical connections.

But it still doesn't really solve the show.

It also doesn't explain why in every theory Angel is the representative of a male character...

That does explain the "Cast in the name of God, Ye not Guilty" line.

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Originally posted by Ensign M That does explain the "Cast in the name of God, Ye not Guilty" line.

Interestingly the humans in the fable were “cast” (in both senses) by god and were also physically similar to the gods. When they played the roles of gods, the gods actually admired them for their skill and the only ones who were frowned upon were those that believed that the actors actually were the gods that they played. From this perspective the line makes much sense. Those that were cast to play the role of Gods by Jupiter (Roger, Schwartzwald) were “not guilty” because they were carrying out the will of the director. Also Alan and Alex were guilty because they believed that they were gods—they believed wielding a mech was the same as being a god yet they failed to understand that the true dominuces were merely playing the role of gods as entertainment for the real gods. The true dominuces were chosen by their mechs, while the “guilty” pair decided for themselves that they would be pilots.

BTW I don’t know if I said this fable was mythology or whatever, but it’s actually from the 16th century and was written by Vives in case anyone is looking for a copy.

That's interesting, but if it's a Greek Myth why did you use that Latin names of the Gods? I study Latin (which is fun) and err... Yeah, that's about it. Angel might have been Venus (the daughter of Jupiter), especially since she piloted Big Venus*, but why she was there and not Jupiter himself, I cannot say.

*Did she pilot it, command it, or actually become it?

On a language point I thought for a while that "Dominus of Megadeus" was a corruption of the Latin grammar system, which would have actually been like "Domino Megadeus" or "Dominus Megadei", but after looking through my notes there is actually a group of words (group "four") that have the US ending in Genetive, so "Dominus Megadeus" could mean: "Lord/Master's Megadeus." I believe. I don't know whether Megadeus is a real Latin word or not (someone care to look it up?) If not it looks like Mega and possible "Dei" (as in Deity) combined, which would make sense, they're some sort of "Mega God". Well, the Mega doesn't quite make sense (since they would surely be inferior to the real Gods) but otherwise it might fit. BTW, by the Latin system the plural of Dominus is Domini.

Where did you read this? Is it possible you could post/link a full version?

Wow this does sounds interesting and I will most defiently try to get my hands on it! Thanks again!

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Originally posted by Darien Shields That's interesting, but if it's a Greek Myth why did you use that Latin names of the Gods? quote: Originally posted by jonnycooj BTW I don’t know if I said this fable was mythology or whatever, but it’s actually from the 16th century and was written by Vives in case anyone is looking for a copy. Where did you read this? Is it possible you could post/link a full version?

I looked online but couldn’t find a copy, but I’m sure if you check for Vives in the library you will find it. I’m interested in knowing more about the Angel/Venus connection, I wonder if there’s a story in Latin somewhere about Venus being trapped on earth by way of having the memory that she was a god stolen. Also, Angel might have only been playing Venus and it might have been Jupiter’s direction that led her to begin a new show.

You know, I've heard of that tale before (or the idea that people were placed on the Earth to act). Thanks for the info, gotta check that out!

Certainly sheds new light on things and now I want to see if there is a copy out there...

Later,
Pen1300

Note to self: "A Fable About Man" by Vives. (Is that all for his name or is there more to it? Also, if I find something, I'll let you know.)

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Originally posted by Darien Shields That's interesting, but if it's a Greek Myth why did you use that Latin names of the Gods? I study Latin (which is fun) and err... Yeah, that's about it. Angel might have been Venus (the daughter of Jupiter), especially since she piloted Big Venus*, but why she was there and not Jupiter himself, I cannot say. *Did she pilot it, command it, or actually become it? On a language point I thought for a while that "Dominus of Megadeus" was a corruption of the Latin grammar system, which would have actually been like "Domino Megadeus" or "Dominus Megadei", but after looking through my notes there is actually a group of words (group "four") that have the US ending in Genetive, so "Dominus Megadeus" could mean: "Lord/Master's Megadeus." I believe. I don't know whether Megadeus is a real Latin word or not (someone care to look it up?) If not it looks like Mega and possible "Dei" (as in Deity) combined, which would make sense, they're some sort of "Mega God". Well, the Mega doesn't quite make sense (since they would surely be inferior to the real Gods) but otherwise it might fit. BTW, by the Latin system the plural of Dominus is Domini. Where did you read this? Is it possible you could post/link a full version?

The 4th group is called the fourth declintion. Each latin noun falls solely with one declintion it can't jump arround. "Dominus" and "deus" fall within the second declintion pattern so they can't be in the fourth.

People who don't know latin would be at a disadvantage if they started calling Roger "Dominus Megadei."

Mega comes from greek and is used in the SI meaning a million. so Megadeus is just a greek-latin fusion. (Big God)

Okay here's a little quiz for you: how would you say "Roger is the master of the megadei."

I found his full name and maybe an alternate title: Juan Luis Vives, “The Fable of Man.” My copy is actually called "A Fable About Man," it seems to have come from the book: Renaissance Philosophy of Man.

Check out my Italicized title LOL!

I wasn't saying that Dominus was in the fourth declination, I was suggesting Megadeus was. My translating into Latin's a little rusty (we usually translate into English), but I'll give it a go;

"Roger est Dominus Megadeus" (if Megadeus is fourth declination, as I suggested. If it's second, then "Megadei". The est is probably not really neccesary, but it eases the translation.)

Hey, Johnny, the ISBN number might help.

EDIT: Just had a thought- in terms of general Roman/Greek comparison, Alan could be likened to Phaethon, son of Phoebus Apollo. Phaethon sought to prove that he was his father's son beyond any shadow of a doubt, so requested that he could fly his father's chariot through the heavens for one day and show the world that he was descended from the God. His father, loving him greatly, agreed, although it was with a heavy heart, as he knew his son could not succeed. And alas, Phaethon failed, and the chariot plummeted from the sky, running amuck on earth, until Zeus struck him with a lightning bolt and sent him flying to his doom. Alan is similar in that he pilotted a chariot (and Big Duo Inferno could be likened to the flaming chariot of the sun) but he failed to pilot it correctly, and it was killed. If he was killed for his insolence, as Johnny suggested, by the gods, then it would be like Jupiter/Zeus hurling the thunderbolt at Phaethon, and stopping him from wreaking havoc on earth. This is Phaethon's Epitaph (in English), which I always rather liked;

"Here Lies Phaethon
The Charioteer.
Though his father's chariot he could not hold
Yet his attempt was great, as well as bold."

The quote's not relevant, but I liked it.

Thats an interesting connection you've found. It does relate to the story pretty well. I'll have to pick that up.

YAY! I can be happy with the University library for once! They have the book you said (came up first in the card catalog search under the story title). Well, maybe tomorrow or Sunday...or Tuesday, I'll go and hunt the book down! Thanks for the info. Now I'll read it (someday soon) and see what I think.

You know...that is an old book, 1948...

Full title info: The Renaissance philosophy of man / ed. by Ernst Cassirer, Paul Oskar Kristeller [and] John Herman Randall, Jr., in collaboration with Hans Nachod ... [et al.].
Publisher: Chicago, [Ill.] : Univ. of Chicago Press, [1948]

The title is Italics and the author that is listed with the book is underlined. ISBN might be hard due to the age, but you probably could find it online...that's what the library has anyway.

As to the Greek/Roman story, that is an interesting connection. We probably could make tons of links. I like that link up. Nifty difty...



Later,
Pen1300

Glad someone else was able to find it, I wish I had a scanner so I could just put it up already. Hopefully someone with some scanning technology will be able to post a copy. I can try to get my friend, who does online reserves for the library to do it, but if anyone else can scan it that would be great.

The bad thing about reading the story is that it makes you want to rewatch eps 12-26 to look for any other little connections, I am already lacking the time I need to watch new anime! The rewatch session might have to wait until thanksgiving vacation.

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Originally posted by Darien Shields I wasn't saying that Dominus was in the fourth declination, I was suggesting Megadeus was. My translating into Latin's a little rusty (we usually translate into English), but I'll give it a go; "Roger est Dominus Megadeus" (if Megadeus is fourth declination, as I suggested. If it's second, then "Megadei". The est is probably not really neccesary, but it eases the translation.)

No megadeus still has the deus at the end making it 2nd declintion.

"Roger est dominus megadeorum." is the correct answer to what I was asking.

You can't blumin' well expect me to translate it properly if I don't know the declination. And I wouldn't say taht deus dictates the declination here, because I'm sure that there are some words that encapsulate other words, but do not emply their ending.

So next time say;

Megadeus, -i (m)

'Cause that's how the word lists work in the exam and all...

I'm vaguely inclined to yell Latin insult at you, but since the only one I know is "Tu sum puer molestus" which is probably all wrong in the endings, I guess we'll call it even. Do you study Latin?

How long is the Fable? Like, is it a small novel, or a small poem? If it's short you could just type it up instead of scanning it.

In fact, I'm going to go search for it on the net, see if there's an online copy.