The Event

Well I know that alot has been spoken, and repeated, and then re-repeated about this topic... and yes I know that for some of you its as boring as Dorothy bobble head. But still what do you think the EVENT really is? Did it even really occur? Also what about the double of characters and the loop theory, will the EVENT occur again like in the loop? Could Gordon reallly just be a duplicate, of the one in the picture with Roger, just like he is?

So anyway, I personally believe that the EVENT was somehow realate to some war that occured 40 years ago, which someone maybe Angel, maybe Gordon, erased everyones memmories and devestated the Earth leaving behind a few trace things. Plans for Androids, Bigs, Books, Tomatoes (of diffrent breeds). I also believe that all the Bigs were orginaly created before the EVENT, but Fau was broken apart, and then reassmbled by Alex later... but this is all so BORING!

So I would like for a new, theory to be devised... one that is truely worthy of BIG O! Ify logic, that sort of thing. I mean Big O gives us enough material... Like when Roger says that he "Probably gave up his memmories by his own free will" or somthing like that. Maybe Roger, or the Roger of the past had a lot more to do with the EVENT than what we think! Maybe he was so popular people made toys, and comic books about him! Maybe he had is own TV show called "BIG O" in which Angel directed, and when the war came about he started up Big Venus and erased everyones memmories, maybe screwed around with time and space... and put the new world under the direction of the show that he starred in! Yeah... thanks for listening, I mean reading... You guys arn't ignroing me right! People are going to reply this time... I feel so alone why wont anyone pay attention to me! AHHHHH!!

The world probably got nuked so hard that everyone in PC erased their memories and decided to try to continue their lives that way. Or something.

The "war theory" explains very little. Too many of the really weird things in BIG O can't be explained that way. The lights in the sky, the Underground, the amnesia.

The war theory is really just based on a few hallucinations of Roger's. Talk about a foundation of sand! Just because dreams are compelling doesn't mean they're real.

It seems pretty clear that there's something terribly wrong with the world Roger is living in. In certain ways and at certain times, cause and effect are all screwed up. Maybe the world is never what it seems. Maybe it's perfectly real most of the time, but not always. I don't know. But, to me, it seems like it runs for a while and then falls apart, and Angel and Big Venus have to wind it up again.

Its hard to tell if the war realy did happen or not. My theory is that there was a war before 40 years ago and people built these giant structures (the domes) to protect them selves. Then some cataclysmic event happened and maybe most people died or something Im not exactly shure. So they built some kind of "stage" which was basicly the city. They made it so the characters, had no memories of what happened 40 years ago. But people knew how electricity worked and how cars ran, they just didnt know what happened before 40 years ago. So some people took power and formed Paradigm City and some people became poor and others became rich. So the rich exiled the poor from the domes and basicly ran Paradigm City. Or something like that.

I disagree I believe the war thoery explains a lot. Already we have nuclear capabilities that allow us to destory the world as we know it... We could level the Earth, through dust up into the air causing an ice age, but thats not what we see here. We see a bunch of complicated domes surrounded by a sea of sand, yet their must be somthing else out there. Scwarzwald went out there, and the Union has survived out their since the tomatoes were banished.

Yet were talking the power of god here! My second favorite line is "The power of god created by man, divine thunder raining down from the heavens." Maybe the domes were created to protect the people from this divine thunder, and their memmories erased so that they could never again destroy as the once did... But it didn't go as plan...

What troubles me is why would Alex want to destroy the domes? He had just announced his own god hood, was he trying to destroy the old gods work? What is a god, the big, or the domi? Prehaps it is a combination of both! After all Big O became substantially more powerful after the conection with Dorothy. But still could not destory Big Fau..

On that note why did Big Fau need memmories, I think this has a lot to tie in with the ep. with Archatype, who also wanted Dorothy. What I also find odd about that ep. as Roger went deeper the 'walls got newer" Is this Alex's work, or some untold of workings?

I know that you guys are out there! So speak up!

The picture of Gordon Rosewater shaking Roger's hand shows the domes under construction in the background.

I got the impression during the first season that the domes were all newer than the Event.

People have obviously been living outside the domes, probably continuously. The domes aren't utilitarian; they're fancy, decorative, almost fanciful. The areas inside the domes don't look like bomb shelters; they're upscale.

I don't think the "event" ever happened. IMO, there never even was a 40 years ago. Every time the world gets reset, the storyline begins again, a little time before act1. I just don't think certain things add up. I mean, in some flashbacks, Roger is a robot--yet he bleeds when shot. In another, he's a soldier/pilot that controls BigO against an army of Leviathans. And in that picture of Gordon Rosewater, Roger is shaking hands with him, with the domes being constructed. Gordon is about middle-aged, but ROGER LOOKS EXACTLY the same, a young gun. And speaking of gordon, how does one "implant children with memories" 0_o

I think the Metropolis book is a script, written by Gordon. "all lies" because it's a story he made up, and then somehow Angel comes in.

I proposed that idea a while back.

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Originally posted by Lupin IV And speaking of gordon, how does one "implant children with memories" 0_o

It was problemly 'messy'.

In the flashbacks in RD we see Gordon with blood splattered on his coat.

Its an analogy for something thats for suire.

In fact, Rogers speech to Vera in act 25 identifies the nature of life and individuality. The event, wahtever is being referred to, must have something to do with the nature of PAradigm City, if not the actual events that occur there. Paradigm City is as much of a character as anyone else is in the story, and thus we care. But Swartsvalt found out that Paradigm City is a Stage, he called it a comedy, breaks teh 4th wall and now its only a matter of time before the cha racters and players become aware of the viewers (i.e. us as in our) presence.

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Originally posted by Umino quote: Originally posted by Lupin IV And speaking of gordon, how does one "implant children with memories" 0_o It was problemly 'messy'. In the flashbacks in RD we see Gordon with blood splattered on his coat.

Brainwashing, plain and simple.

The symbols are direct and ominious, the checkered wall, the automatic behaviour patterns, the barcodes, the images of giant robots run amuck burned into the persons mind.

That's the friendly version, it very well could have been surgical. Just my take on the question.

well, irrelevant, the final stage big o cannon-thingy would've destroyed Big Fau, if it had directly hit it, he misses big fau, but a huge chunk of fau is missing. than big venus grids everyone's and touches fau.

In the event foriegners from europe invaded america with thier megadueces. Rodger Smith android pilots piloted the bigs.

Upon destroying new york Big Venus appears and sends off a huge magnetic pulse that fried the memories of megadeuces(bigs thats w2hy they don't operate at full knowledge),humans, and androids.

This Magnetic pulse also caused a polar shift(north and south poles shifted).Causing the enviroments to be adnormal. All of the megadeuces had thier memories fried so when the dominuce would remember the megaduece remembered what its purpose was. Destroying paradigm/new york.Protecting
Paradigm.

Rodger's REAL enemy was not Alex. It was Angel. Angel killed him in the last role the pilot when like in act 26 his cockpit filled with water and he drowned and Big O was not operational because the EMP knocked it out and the severe damage to the systems.

Big O=black knight
Big Fau=Sea Admiral (1800s and 1700s)/holy king with armor
Big Duo=Archangel
Big Venus=Angel of death/satan

Rodger smith=Jesus Christ
Alex Rosewater=Antichrist
Angel the director=God
Schwartwald=daniel

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Originally posted by Xylem In the event foriegners from europe invaded america with thier megadueces. Rodger Smith android pilots piloted the bigs. Upon destroying new york Big Venus appears and sends off a huge magnetic pulse that fried the memories of megadeuces(bigs thats w2hy they don't operate at full knowledge),humans, and androids. This Magnetic pulse also caused a polar shift(north and south poles shifted).Causing the enviroments to be adnormal. All of the megadeuces had thier memories fried so when the dominuce would remember the megaduece remembered what its purpose was. Destroying paradigm/new york.Protecting Paradigm. Rodger's REAL enemy was not Alex. It was Angel. Angel killed him in the last role the pilot when like in act 26 his cockpit filled with water and he drowned and Big O was not operational because the EMP knocked it out and the severe damage to the systems. Big O=black knight Big Fau=Sea Admiral (1800s and 1700s)/holy king with armor Big Duo=Archangel Big Venus=Angel of death/satan Rodger smith=Jesus Christ Alex Rosewater=Antichrist Angel the director=God Schwartwald=daniel

I don't know about that magnetic pulse theory: while a polar reversal would explain some of the environmental changes, it certainly wouldn't be an apocalypse, since polar reversal are a natural phenomenon and so would hardly end nearly all civilization in most cases. Magnetic pulses would also not erase people's memory.

My own two cents on the Event:

While the war may not have been the Event per se, I'm pretty sure it would have been contemporaneus with it. I agree that the Bigs are not from Paradigm; they are attacking Paradigm only, and do not fight each other. They do fight the Leviathan's (and maybe Behemoth-- some scenes may show wreckage of one, though it's far from clear), however, so we can reasonably guess that the "Archetypes" were on Paradigm's side and the Bigs on the other. I speculated on another thread that the reason Paradigm was attacked was the Leviathan and Behemoth were part of, or were, some secret weapon being developed by Paradigm that outsiders were so frightened of that they felt they had no choice but to prememptively attack, which forced the prototypes into action.

As to what happened to people's memory, don't really know, but to add more speculation, maybe it was somehow Behemoth's doing. We know about nil concerning Behemoth, but Gordon did describe it as a "monster hungry for memories". Just another idea thrown out there.

I do think that the war actually happened. We may have to base our interpretations on Roger's hallucinations, but the series spends a lot of time on them, so either they have some truth to them, they're really metaphorical (for what? we don't know), or the writers have been wasting our time. Plus, the world of Big O seems to bare the scars of this battle; you could argue it was just made to look that way, but then you could argue that about anything then.

This is all just speculation, so don't beat me with the fact that it's low on supporting evidence. I'm just trying to throw ideas out there.

And I still don't see why Xylem keeps equating Schwarzwald with Daniel.

Hmm my version of "The Event" to be able to exlpian thigns quickly at the moment would be, Angel has a reset button and when she gets board or when things go out of hand she re-sets the time the city, memeories you name it.

Thats my quick fix for the event! ^_^""

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Originally posted by BethMcBeth Hmm my version of "The Event" to be able to exlpian thigns quickly at the moment would be, Angel has a reset button and when she gets board or when things go out of hand she re-sets the time the city, memeories you name it. Thats my quick fix for the event! ^_^""

The Reset and the Event aren't necessarily the same thing. From what we've seen on the show, they probably aren't.

Not necessarily a reset, but a kind of reset. I guess that's a short, simple way to put it.

I'm not sure if there was ever an "event". When Gordon asks "to fill this book with memories", the rest of the book just turns black, possibly indicating nothing happened before hand. When schwarzvald is talking as big duo flys up, he states that everything was a grand illusion.

Dont worry your heads about it Im going to adultswim to see if they have awnsers

I will be heard

yeah, geoffrey, post reply if you get something interesting. (plz dont link, for those guests who dont have a.s. accounts) the thing is... i think Schwarzvald found out about the stagelights and was reffering to them as the "grand ostentatious stage" and not the entire thing. because realisticly speaking, how would this be possible, i mean the creation of the huge gears, the stagelights, the buildings, and the people if there was nothing before?