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Originally posted by RDaniel What exactly is keeping Big O from going to a different channel, like G4TechTV? And, another question, what were the ratings like for season two?

G4TechTV ROFLMAOZLOLZXDOMGLMAOROFFLEZLAMOWLOLEHAHAHGAHAHAROFLMAO! Ahem.
I understand not having a 3rd season, and I'm not mad there won't be one. What ticks me off is their... supposed disregard for it and their diversion from anime. Now, maybe none of this is true---remember how they have the 7-foot Big O model? Remember how they made so many commercials involving Big O making it sound like they liked it?
But if it is true, screw 'em. If they're not gonna show anime, screw 'em. They'll see when they lose thousands of viewers.

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Originally posted by o55goten Ok I know I am going to be hated for this comment but oh well. What if OURwish does come ture and the third season dosnt have the same writers and it totaly sucks? Wouldn't it be beter if it stoped here were we know it was great and didn't turn in Star Wars like episode 1. I want the third season as much as the next guy but I just wanted to display another opinion. Also CN does very much need to keep up or even put more anime on there.

Cartoon Network managed to gather together all the right people for season 2. If they can't pull these people together again then the show is offically dead. As much love and care was put in the second season as far as subtly of character and plot development are concerned I think it's safe to say that the writers love Big O. An artist does not put that much care and thought into a project he's apathetic towards. So if the writers can't be brought together then, and I hate to say this, it would probably be because one of them had died.

And since an option was given on the season two contracts for another two seasons I have absolute confidence that season three won't suck. I'd be worried if these options weren't profided, then there's always the fear that the writers would just shove something together.

Besides, if it sucks I can always not watch it.


muchlove
-dork

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Originally posted by C.R Foxhound What the hell is going on here? I can sorta understand not having a season 3,but to get rid of anime completely? I mean, if i remember correctly, CN acqusition of anime over the years led to its growth, i sure as hell dont watch CN for that other garbage they show ugh...i keep in touch

I don't know where people are getting the "get rid of all anime"

If you can find the spot that says that so an update that clarifies it can be posted, please let us know.

We're talking mainly about the Saturday Action block, which originally started as all anime and they are now moving away from and starting to insert some comedies.

If you go to the longer article (Operation Mouth to Mouth) and check out the interview and check out the big AS conference, it's all right there--they did get Ghost in the Shell, but they are talking about 5 or 6 new comedies in that conference.

As far as who wants to do what, we've heard that the Big O statue was a gift to CN. Culturally speaking, when the Japanese are in negotiations, they try to present gifts that are in keeping with whatever is being negotiated. So the gift of the figure would tend to indicate that they were very interested indeed, it was CN that wasn't interested.

As far as accuracy of this info goes, I'd say it's darn near to 100%accurate but we can't back it like we back the other stuff, that's why we aren't putting that in our news section.

It's really important to read the entire article and check out the links, though. It is absolutely CRITICAL that people have a full understanding of the situation.

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Originally posted by Zola I don't know where people are getting the "get rid of all anime" If you can find the spot that says that so an update that clarifies it can be posted, please let us know. We're talking mainly about the Saturday Action block, which originally started as all anime and they are now moving away from and starting to insert some comedies. If you go to the longer article (Operation Mouth to Mouth) and check out the interview and check out the big AS conference, it's all right there--they did get Ghost in the Shell, but they are talking about 5 or 6 new comedies in that conference. As far as who wants to do what, we've heard that the Big O statue was a gift to CN. Culturally speaking, when the Japanese are in negotiations, they try to present gifts that are in keeping with whatever is being negotiated. So the gift of the figure would tend to indicate that they were very interested indeed, it was CN that wasn't interested. As far as accuracy of this info goes, I'd say it's darn near to 100%accurate but we can't back it like we back the other stuff, that's why we aren't putting that in our news section. It's really important to read the entire article and check out the links, though. It is absolutely CRITICAL that people have a full understanding of the situation.

Perhaps it's the fact right now that AS isn't exactly getting any good ratings regarding the Action Block, so that's where people figured that CN wanted to get rid of Anime.

Yes, they will be putting some new anime to the Saturday block. Perhaps the comedy shows are only there right now for filler until the new shows come out, who knows.

After reading that article, though, I now understand that they don't want to get of the action block at all.

Ladies and gentlemen, I may have someone that could possibly help. Someone who works for Williams Street and someone who has a semi-important job. I shall begin to contact him now.

Cartoon networks best bet is to generate a third channel exclusivly for Anime. Since the majority of their cartoon blocks are stereotypically geared for a younger audience, as we get older we demand more substance. Don't worry, Anime is here to stay, Even GW Bush can't shift that paradigm.

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Originally posted by Trisa Perhaps it's the fact right now that AS isn't exactly getting any good ratings regarding the Action Block, so that's where people figured that CN wanted to get rid of Anime. AS, however, seems to have phased out from anime recently, as the Action Block is starting to have comedies as well. Yes, they will be putting some new anime to the Saturday block. Perhaps the comedy shows are only there right now for filler until the new shows come out, who knows... More on this later, Trisa

Also, its summer time and Cartoon Network has to accomidate for the shift in viewing. It looks as if they will return to weekdays once the school year gets underway. It impacts their decisions a great deal.

Ok, maybe I didn't read closely enough, but where is the proof? I haven't seen anything yet that looks like cold, hard proof that this is true.

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Originally posted by Lt. Smith Ok, maybe I didn't read closely enough, but where is the proof? I haven't seen anything yet that looks like cold, hard proof that this is true.

The proof on Cartoon Network getting rid of Anime? There is none right now. I explained that it may be a possibilty that they will, but it is true that they started to stop supporting anime as much.

Here is where the confusion on getting rid of anime may be:

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The man in charge of Adult Swim, Mike Lazzo, envisions the future of Adult Swim to be inexpensively produced "funny cartoons," not anime. This "mindset" was further reinforced at the web cam party where certain Adult Swim staff members mocked Big-O, and referred to it as "sh**" before shutting it off.

As far as I know, this guy isn't into anime, so that's why people made these statements earlier.

I hope that helps clarify some things.

However, If this isn't the thing you're talking about, it's mostly likely the proof on no season 3. That's in the Save Big O website.

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Originally posted by Son_of_Horus This is going to be like pulling out a splinter. It's going to hurt, but it will feel much better when it's out. It is information several of us have known for a while, but we have kept it quiet in order to not panic or discourage the community. We remained silent in order to buy us some time to formulate a game plan, so we could take action against some things which not only make no sense but are patently outrageous. Some of you may be wondering where Zola's been the last few days. She's been wearing Norman's helmet, rallying the troops and clearing out the hanger. Some of you may be wondering where I've been for the last few days. Let's just say that I was conscripted to build us a megadeus. Here's why: The official word is that there will be no third season of Big-O. The options were declined and there are no plans in the works for the series to continue. We have written and called the network, they have sent us confirmation concerning this. The man in charge of Adult Swim, Mike Lazzo, envisions the future of Adult Swim to be inexpensively produced "funny cartoons," not anime. This "mindset" was further reinforced at the web cam party where certain Adult Swim staff members mocked Big-O, and referred to it as "sh**" before shutting it off. While we support fully Lazzo's decision to capitalize upon the current popularity of great programs like Family Guy, Aqua Teen, and Harvey Birdman, we cannot and will not support the mindset toward dedicated anime people who for years have been looked down on by those whose appreciation of cartoons ends at the funny pages. It is patently disturbing that despite the tremendous amount of money Cartoon Network spent to produce Big-O that William's Street is willing to abandon that niche of people, assuming that they'll simply be "absorbed" into the new programming schedule. Imagine that... perhaps that also explains why they never went public with this news. Perhaps Williams Street was hoping that everyone would forget and just roll over like a bunch of lapdogs (pardon the pun). Contributing members of the Big-O family have therefore decided to put their networking skills together and to UNIFY the anime community together into a cohesive economic body which both sponsors and Network officials will be forced to recognize. That "body" is going to be the largest organized group of Gen-X'rs and Cusper anime fans that Cartoon Network has ever seen. If you're tired of the bullsh!t of being stereotyped, of not having a voice... if you're tired of beauty and great storyline taking back seat to the tastes of the guy at work who farts and thinks it's funny, join this site, and be an active participate in the largest contingent of anime foot soldiers the world has ever seen. We're going to be busting right out of the asphalt, right out of the goddamn ground just like a megadeus. And they're never going to know what hit them. Bust out your chromebusters people... It's Showtime!

DAMN, DAM ALL OF THOSE BIG O HATERS OUT THERE

SCREW CHROMEBUSTERS

Grab you angry mobs, torches, and Pitchforks.

AND LETS GO GET SOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoa,kick ass,no Season 3. Alright!

Anyway,why are you guys falling apart over a goddamn TV show?

Season 2 sucked anyways.

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Originally posted by Son_Of_HorusIf you're tired of the bullsh!t of being stereotyped, of not having a voice... if you're tired of beauty and great storyline taking back seat to the tastes of the guy at work who farts and thinks it's funny, join this site, and be an active participate in the largest contingent of anime foot soldiers the world has ever seen.

No thanks. Not that I don't support beauty and great storyline,it's just that Big O stopped showing either of those long ago.

And what kind of world are we living in when farts stop being funny? A world I don't want to live in,that's what.

-BC

I wonder what Sean Akins has to say about this. He really liked The Big O. He also helped co-produce the second season.

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Originally posted by Lupin IV Ok here you go. I have a SuperHighQuality one on my desktop. ...YYYyyeah, it may be a little extreme.But I dunno, it makes me laugh. I mean, jeez, look at Eddy.Freak

did u have to use ed edd and eddy, thats one of the few good cartoons!

but i see your point

did u make it?

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Originally posted by Zopwx2 here is the only non-locked AS thread http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/bo...74233&jump=true

HOORAY! they deleted the thread................

so I made another one:

http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/bo...77907&jump=true

How sad that all this is happening around my one year anniversery of joining paradigm........

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Originally posted by Zopwx2 quote: Originally posted by Zopwx2 here is the only non-locked AS thread http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/bo...74233&jump=true HOORAY! they deleted the thread................ so I made another one: http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/bo...77907&jump=true How sad that all this is happening around my one year anniversery of joining paradigm........

Exactly! This was the day of my anniversery I believe but the browser was being a dork...or the forum went down.

Thanks for clearing up information. I need to sit down and read that stuff.

Like I saw and like others said: IF we get a Season 3 and don't like it, Big O ended at whatever Act we wanted it too. I said that with Season 2. Maybe I should be a little more patient. I mean, it hasn't been a year since the release of Season 3... though AS cutting out Anime at night is dumb. I mean, where are we going to get our fill of some of the stuff we can't see normally?

Are they going to return to normal when the school year begins again or is this more permenant? (I do say we need to fight their blatant disrespect for a show we obviously enjoy).

Later,
Pen1300

There sure seems to be a lot of speculation and vituperation floating around here.

For a change of pace, here is a summary of what I actually KNOW about Season 3 and CN:

1. Tony received a hand-written postcard from Cartoon Network in response to a piece of fan mail. This card said that there would be no Season 3. I've seen a scan of this post card. Son of Horus got one too, but I haven't seen it.

2. I called Joe Swaney, one of Cartoon Network's public relations folks. He hadn't heard anything about Season 3 one way or the other, and wouldn't tell me if he had, because CN never formally or officially releases negative information such as the non-renewal of shows.

On the other hand, such information may very well be given to fans in just the way that Tony received it. When I described the postcard to Joe Swaney, he immediately believed what it said.

He told me that fan mail is handled by the programming department, that the people who run it operate it in a businesslike manner, so fan mail is read, tabulated, and answered sensibly.

3. Other people have no doubt posted the snail mail address for CN/AS fan mail. Joe told me that email to cartooncomments@turner.com is the equivalent of sending them a fan letter. There's no point sending fan mail anywhere else in the organization. What happens is that, as soon as the recipient recognizes that it's a fan comment, they forward it to cartooncomments without ever having paid much attention to it.

4. According to a couple of press releases I've seen, FAMILY GUY is Adult Swim's most popular show.

5. According to other press releases, Cartoon Network has an option for another 26 episodes of Big O (in case you were wondering if that was just another rumor) None of the press releases indicated (a) when the option expires or (b) if the terms of the option are favorable to Cartoon Network.

6. Adult Swim's popularity has been growing very quickly (more press releases on the net) -- growing 65% last year, or something like that.

7. On the other hand, Adult Swim seems to be on a very tight budget. I believe this for a number of reasons that I won't go into here. Their budget may be so tight that they can't even do all of the things that seem like obvious money-makers.

8. After Season 1 of Big O, there was a long delay before CN decided to make a Season 2. Realistically speaking, CN never really decides NOT to make a show, they only decide not to make it NOW. They could walk away from it and come back later. Big O has been resurrected once; it can be resurrected twice.

9. As far as I can tell, the people that are being vilified as having cancelled Big O are the same ones who went to bat for it and brought us Season 2.

10. There are presumably two players here: Sunrise and Cartoon Network. They're interests aren't the same. We don't know how their contract is structured, but it may be that Sunrise gets all the profits from DVDs and manga sales, while they get relatively little of the revenue from broadcast reruns. Cartoon Network presumably gets most of the profits from reruns but little or nothing from manga and DVD sales. OVAs exist because, sometimes, DVD sales alone make it worthwhile to produce a show.

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8. After Season 1 of Big O, there was a long delay before CN decided to make a Season 2. Realistically speaking, CN never really decides NOT to make a show, they only decide not to make it NOW. They could walk away from it and come back later. Big O has been resurrected once; it can be resurrected twice.

This right here is enough justification for not attacking CN, Adult Swim, or Sunrise. If we continually show our support and are very polite about it and don't cause them much trouble in any way than when they are in a position to spend more money they'll give Big O greater consideration.

Great post, ACT! I'm glad you finally got around to posting about this.


muchlove
-dork

In order to show that we appricated this show. hey everyone tell anybody that you know and buy the DVD's remember July 27 is the release date for Vol 4.

Here goes:

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4. According to a couple of press releases I've seen, FAMILY GUY is Adult Swim's most popular show.

Yes, that is true indeed. It is most likely AS's highest rating show ever. Perhaps that's why it hasn't taken a break off the air yet.

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5. According to other press releases, Cartoon Network has an option for another 26 episodes of Big O (in case you were wondering if that was just another rumor) None of the press releases indicated (a) when the option expires or (b) if the terms of the option are favorable to Cartoon Network.

Earlier, I read in this thread that AS may have said that so that fans won't be so hyped on Season 3 or something like that. This was a very popular rumor here, and as of yet, no one really knows if this is true or false.

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6. Adult Swim's popularity has been growing very quickly (more press releases on the net) -- growing 65% last year, or something like that.

Yes, On one of their cards, it says that more people between ages 25-30 watch AS than any other late night show.

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7. On the other hand, Adult Swim seems to be on a very tight budget. I believe this for a number of reasons that I won't go into here. Their budget may be so tight that they can't even do all of the things that seem like obvious money-makers.

That is also true as well. Ratings have gotten down recently and they are having a hard time trying to get some new shows.

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8. After Season 1 of Big O, there was a long delay before CN decided to make a Season 2. Realistically speaking, CN never really decides NOT to make a show, they only decide not to make it NOW. They could walk away from it and come back later. Big O has been resurrected once; it can be resurrected twice.

Yes, it was three years, I believe, before Season 2 was made in Japan. The resurrection theory may be true for now, but because of low ratings, it may be a long time before we even get to see a possiblity of Season 3.

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10. There are presumably two players here: Sunrise and Cartoon Network. They're interests aren't the same. We don't know how their contract is structured, but it may be that Sunrise gets all the profits from DVDs and manga sales, while they get relatively little of the revenue from broadcast reruns. Cartoon Network presumably gets most of the profits from reruns but little or nothing from manga and DVD sales. OVAs exist because, sometimes, DVD sales alone make it worthwhile to produce a show.

Yes. As I said earlier in another post, both companies are partly to blame because of no season 3. But even then, we are not sure of what Sunrise's intentions are in the future, so they could bring up a possiblity of season 3, Who knows.

Right now, the DVD's seem to be the only way to support the series right now, because a few months ago, one certain series on AS got excellent DVD sales which caused a big demand for more episodes, and are now being made in the progress.

Everyone. Join me in sending mc chris a sh**load of emails! Together, we can convince him to persuade others at Williams Street/Cartoon Network to try and change their decision. Besides, he sort of has a say in programming there, and his voice is always heard amongst the officials at WS. I've spoken to him a few times on AIM before (but I ain't giving any sn's out), and I feel that, if we get him to do something, it'll have a drastic change on this ruling. And he's a fellow otaku, just like us .

If that doesn't work, we could stockpile on weapons and travel to atlanta to take over the Williams Street building.