Fahrenheit 9/11

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His success will always be based on how well he can speak the public's voice.

Popular opinion dosen't always equal the truth.

Ad hominem assaults and opinions always sell better than more reasoned ones. And they always will.

But thats just me, and we've covered how dispassionate (which is NOT the same as disinterested, before anyone says it is) I am about this buisness.

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Originally posted by Sharpshooter005 Ad hominem assaults and opinions always sell better than more reasoned ones. And they always will.

Well, you make it sound like it's Moore standing in front of a brick wall for 2 hours cracking jokes about Bush. In his movies, it's not just him saying "Bush sucks, bush sucks, bush sucks... where's the nearest McDonalds? HULK SMASH!!!!!" but it backs it up with essential facts.

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Well, you make it sound like it's Moore standing in front of a brick wall for 2 hours cracking jokes about Bush. In his movies, it's not just him saying "Bush sucks, bush sucks, bush sucks... where's the nearest McDonalds? HULK SMASH!!!!!"

...You just gave me an idea for a movie.

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it backs it up with essential facts.

Many of which are taken out of context or presented in a skewed way. Such as the bin laden family flights, which richard clarke (who you may remember as the author of "against all enemies", and who is a big critic of Bush) took personal responsibility for, and stated were not exactly as moore presented them.

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Originally posted by Sharpshooter005 Many of which are taken out of context or presented in a skewed way. Such as the bin laden family flights, which richard clarke (who you may remember as the author of "against all enemies", and who is a big critic of Bush) took personal responsibility for, and stated were not exactly as moore presented them.

Well, they may have been stated "not exactly", but that might be one thing he messed up. It's not like it was intended to be actual journalism - he called it an op/ed piece himself.

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Well, they may have been stated "not exactly", but that might be one thing he messed up. It's not like it was intended to be actual journalism - he called it an op/ed piece himself.

Exactly my point.

He is not a documentarian.

His films are increasingly not documentaries

Let's refer to them as op/ed pieces. Call a spade a spade.

And theres other errors, I'll round up one of the numerous lists you're beginning to see when I have more time.

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Originally posted by Sharpshooter005 And theres other errors, I'll round up one of the numerous lists you're beginning to see when I have more time.

Those lists are entirely flawed themselves. Like www.bowlingfortruth.com

Even on the front page, you can see a huge amount of spin: "Was it really logical to blame K-mart for the Columbine murders?" At no point did Moore say K-Mart was to blame for Columbine.

In fact, I'd say Bowling for Truth is almost deliberate manipulation. For example, this:
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingfo...s/countries.htm

For the Germany example - They cite ALL Homicides in Germany, and then they site their number for gun homicides. Moore is only talking about gun homicides... so wow! Their number is lower than his! They think it proves him wrong, but it only backs his point more.

Australia - They claim he picked the lowest statistic out of a several-year span. But he picked the same year across the board for every country.

Japan - They say a land of mostly Japanese people + gun control would equal less gun violence. So they basically support Moore here.

But then, they follow up with a reference to Hitler. Wow, nice connection, guys.

USA - Of course you need to use ALL gun homicides (death by gun). Just like all of the above.

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So I don't really trust the anti-Moore sites. You can smell the BS a mile away.

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Those lists are entirely flawed themselves.

So because of faults on one list, all lists are flawed. Gotcha.

I suppose Richard Clarke is a liar as well, after all, his comments are sure to be included on a site or publication on the authenticity of F9/11

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Even on the front page, you can see a huge amount of spin: "Was it really logical to blame K-mart for the Columbine murders?" At no point did Moore say K-Mart was to blame for Columbine

No, he insinuated it but I haven't seen a quote where he STATED it. (Secondly, what moron buys ammo at k-mart? Theres a wider selection and better prices at your local gun store. And your supporting the small buisnessman while you're at it. )

I find it interesting some of the victims he used in his documentary have expressed a feeling of being "duped" by Moore. After all they went through, it really must suck to feel like a pawn.

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I've read over many lists and there are tons of flaws in them.

I'll accept that because..the odds are there probably are numerous flaws. I'll say this though.

One flaw dosen't invalidate one truth stated on the same site. It's like sifting for gold in a riverbed almost.

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Originally posted by Sharpshooter005 quote: Those lists are entirely flawed themselves. You've seen them all? Links? Evidence? You're using the faults of one list to judge an entire internet's worth. And vicariously (very vicariously.) anyone who finds fault with Moore's documentaries. Michael Moore is not infallible, if you're going to nitpick "those lists", then you'd do well to nitpick more than just one. Since not every site is equal.

I was just giving one example, since it was mentioned earlier. I've read over many lists and there are tons of flaws in them. I don't have the time to go picking through every list on the web.

And heres what Christopher Hitchens thought.

(It's a well written article, so at the very least you can enjoy it for that)

(As fun as this is, you won't be hearing from me for a few days, I'll be in Pennsylvania, just saying this so nobody thinks I ran off. )

Hey does anyone know what song he uses in the second half of his trailer? The rock song?

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Originally posted by Sharpshooter005 And heres what Christopher Hitchens thought. (It's a well written article, so at the very least you can enjoy it for that) (As fun as this is, you won't be hearing from me for a few days, I'll be in Pennsylvania, just saying this so nobody thinks I ran off. )

Thanks for the article.





- ...c'mon you have to admit it's funny!
I know the the song he uses but it just doesn't come to me now...I'll try to remember later.

This is the theatre I went to:





They had a small voter registration booth there.

I found it funny, on the Imdb.com site for F9/11, the forums were becoming a free for all warzone, then someone posted a thread where you can bash anyone you like,..... as long as it was in haiku form

EDIT: it was actually a funny thread, but It got drowned out by all the others:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0361596/board/threads/?p=1