Cowboy Bebop-question/Spoilers

opsnafu 06-19-2003 09:22 PM
Is spike deadConfused What do you think?
I think Scinichiro Wantanabe(CB MAIN MAN) wanted us to guess.
I THINK HE'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!
cqb101 06-20-2003 09:35 AM
I think he's dead....There's no way he survived....
opsnafu 06-20-2003 09:49 AM
NO WAY, All the syndicate leaders are dead (Spike was a leader), except for spike. So when people argue, there were henchmen that are going to kill them, they are wrong. He just lost a lot of blood and fell down the stairs. Big Grin
xiahoudun 06-20-2003 12:08 PM
I think that Spike is dead because he passes out on the floor and there are a buch of Red Dagon Syndicate members with guns around. The syndicate members would probably kill Spike and take everything of value in the building.
cqb101 06-20-2003 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by xiahoudun
I think that Spike is dead because he passes out on the floor and there are a buch of Red Dagon Syndicate members with guns around. The syndicate members would probably kill Spike and take everything of value in the building.


Even if he was still alive, they'd see him breathing, and shoot him.
opsnafu 06-20-2003 12:52 PM
Spike is a leader (was) of the syndicate; he is the only leader now. All of the other leaders and council members are dead, so the henchmen would help him after they see who it is. Plus people outside must have heard gunshots and explosions. The police are probably already there and paramedics + fire trucks. Don't forget swat (or a special police unit). Big Grin
xiahoudun 06-20-2003 02:40 PM
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police are probably already there and paramedics + fire trucks. Don't forget swat (or a special police unit).


I don't think the police will come because when Jet was talking with his friend in the police force he said "the Red Dragons are out of control and we won't stop it because they are too powerful". So the police probably wouldn't go in and the members of the Red Dragon Syndicate would run away since they are free.
cqb101 06-20-2003 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by xiahoudun
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police are probably already there and paramedics + fire trucks. Don't forget swat (or a special police unit).


I don't think the police will come because when Jet was talking with his friend in the police force he said "the Red Dragons are out of control and we won't stop it because they are too powerful". So the police probably wouldn't go in and the members of the Red Dragon Syndicate would run away since they are free.


Good point.
opsnafu 06-21-2003 04:58 PM
Yes the police won't try to stop the syndicate. When they hear explosions and gunshots plus grenades, I think that they would come. Once Vicious dies Spike will be the only syndicate leader left (there will be no red dragon syndicate). Simply the henchmen will leave. Now spike is passed out on the ground and is loosing blood fast (A guy got a knife stabbed into his head and walked to a hospital, with it imbedded in his skull, ALL THE WAY IN). Plus it's the future, the funny thing is the could freeze him like they did to Faye. Don't forget it's the future. Faye's plane was blow up, and she was launched into space, and she still lived.
Manji 07-08-2003 08:29 PM
Spikes dead, no question about it, the birds after clearly stated that Spike was set free.
Spike 07-10-2003 10:52 PM
...Spike dies. Trust me, I know. lol. Big Grin

Why do you think the movie takes place in the middle of the series anyway?
Schoolie 07-11-2003 05:26 PM
What about the tag line when the screen turns black?

It says "You're gonna carry that load."

Sounds to me that Spike survives and will be looked upon as the worthy leader of the syndicate. But chances are, Spike would want nothing to do with them, so it'd be a constant burden in his life.

The movie was set in the middle of the series because things changed after episode 26.

In my little world, Spike lives. And I'd love to see a second series with all four main characters (and Ein) partnering up again. Jet and Faye take guardianship of Ed, because her dad is such a nutjob. And they save Spike from the syndicate mess, letting him heal in safety. Amid constant skirmishes with syndicate connections and rivals picking a fight, the crew of Cowboy Bebop continue their bounty hunting ways in the same cool, fun, action-packed way.

But that's just my little world. You're free to believe what you want. Maybe Watanabe wants us to make up our own minds.
Spike 07-11-2003 08:43 PM
Well, I've always thought Spike was dead. It never even occured to me to even assume that he's alive after episode 26. The way the fight goes, his collapse, and the birds at the end always made me think he dies.

Also, the indian guy (for some reason I can't think of his name at the moment) says earlier in the episode to Jet that Spike's "guardian star is fading." Meaning, Spike will die soon. I, personally, believe there's no way that he's alive.
Blue Crow 07-12-2003 02:35 PM
Spike's dead.Believe me.It would totally ruin my perception of the show if he didn't die.And seeing as how he was trying to wake up from the perpetual dream he was living,the only way out of that was death.He's dead.
Blue Crow 07-12-2003 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by Schoolie
What about the tag line when the screen turns black?

It says "You're gonna carry that load."

Sounds to me that Spike survives and will be looked upon as the worthy leader of the syndicate. But chances are, Spike would want nothing to do with them, so it'd be a constant burden in his life.

The movie was set in the middle of the series because things changed after episode 26.

In my little world, Spike lives. And I'd love to see a second series with all four main characters (and Ein) partnering up again. Jet and Faye take guardianship of Ed, because her dad is such a nutjob. And they save Spike from the syndicate mess, letting him heal in safety. Amid constant skirmishes with syndicate connections and rivals picking a fight, the crew of Cowboy Bebop continue their bounty hunting ways in the same cool, fun, action-packed way.

But that's just my little world. You're free to believe what you want. Maybe Watanabe wants us to make up our own minds.


First of All,It's "You're Gonna Carry That Weight",not "load".This makes more senese because it's the name of a Beatles song.This goes along with the musical themed episodes of the show.And he's totally dead.Even if he did live,he wouldn't rejoin the Red Dragon.Didn't he fake his death to get out of it and live with Julia?And now that she's dead,he has nothing else to live for.Believe me,he's dead,buddy.
Spike 07-13-2003 04:15 PM
The Beatles are dead!* So that means Spike is dead!! Big Grin

*note: I mean the band is dead, not each and every Beatle is dead.
Manji 07-13-2003 07:19 PM
Ya know, while I do believe that spike died, it does bring up the interesting question, "What happened to Faye and Jet, after all, they can't stand to be around each other?", all I can figure is that they went thier seperate ways, maybe Jet went back to being a cop, and Faye, wells she's proboubly in debt again...


*Though I doubt Jet will ever be a cop again*
Schoolie 07-13-2003 10:26 PM
Oops, my bad on the tagline. Thanks for the correction. I haven't seen the last episode in a while.

There is a LOT of symbolism and themes in the show, some I probably miss or misread. That's what adds to Bebop's coolness.

Whatever Watanabe intended, the last episode is a fitting ending for the show. He had a vision and he doesn't want to add to it. (Although I'd love to see more episodes!)

I hope that Big O ends in a good way too. It is a rare and vital skill to know when and how to end a great thing before you run out of ideas and lose a show's integrity.

But I guess if Big O finishes in a way I don't like, I'll make up an ending in "my own little world." Pleased
Kairi 07-15-2003 10:19 PM
Spike is dead

You can't deny it. You can make up you're own little world where he and Faye live happily together, but in reality, Spike dies at the end of Bebop. How do we know that he dies in the end? After the credits finishing panning up into space, and Blue comes to a close, we see a star in the sky fade away. In Bebop, each person has a guardian star to protect and watchover them. When a person dies, if they feared death and couldn't let go to their mortal ties, their star would fall. This happens to Gren in Jupiter Jazz. He couldn't let go of his ties to Vicious and Titan, so his star fell and he couldn't join The Great Spirit. But, if a person does accept death and lose their mortal ties, their star burns to it's fullest, and they join The Great Spirit. In Spike's case, with Julia's death, he lost his reason to keep on living, and was now willing to accept death. The star you see fade at the end of Bebop is Spike's as he joins The Great Spirit. And thus, the burden is lifted from his shoulder's and placed on yours. Get it? lol
Manji 07-15-2003 10:32 PM
It's funny..... Spike has died before, actually he should've died many times, but thats not the point, at the end of the series Spike died again, and of course this time he has nothing to come back for, figuratively he's no longer a wandering spirit, he reached the point of his life were he could let go of reality, I dont think he could go on living even after he killed Vicous, he no longer has anything to live for...and now like Kairi said-
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he lost his reason to keep on living, and was now willing to accept death.