Season 3 Discussion

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Originally posted by Big Big Moon You know, I have to agree with Psygnosis. For some reason, Big O seems more complete without all the explanations. Conventional human history is built on the solid foundation of the past, a vast sea of information that we can comfortably fall back on for our identity and delve into for the sake of advancing further into the future. Big O is so unique because there is no past in Paradigm City. Everything as we know it is reversed: the world, instead of a united global community connected through constant streams of information via the Internet, is a sealed unit surrounded by infinite wastes. And unlike our world, it is impossible to investigate these wastes: there are no aircraft, for one thing, and social standards restrict exploration by means of wages and fear of the unknown. The only man who we absolutely know has seen the world outside Paradigm went completely insane, and likely perished in the wastes. Unlike our world, where the future is the great unknown and the past a constant comfort and reminder, Paradigm city has a certain, unavoidable future of an endless, possibly self-repeating paradigm built on wages and pre-destined jobs, while the past is completely, utterly void and inaccessible. Again, the only man who dared to explore this great truth died as a result and became a separate entity, obsessed with the past and exposing its terrible implications to a world that refused, out of fear or apathy, to listen. Unlike our world, where identities are self-made, the characters of Paradigm are (as was repeated ad nauseum) players on a stage (possibly in a very literal sense). Unlike our world, in which titans are bound by laws and precepts, the power of God is wielded by man and walks the earth as it pleases. Thus lies the problem: once exposed to the truth, would we fans be willing to accept it? As Swarzwald predicted, would we avert our eyes from fear or disgust? Paradigm is in almost every sense a mirror of the current world we live in. I, for one, would rather not gaze too longingly for fear of spying something in myself, in our world, too terrible to imagine or explain. And perhaps that's the reason why there are so many mysteries in Paradigm: they simply can't be explained in 26 episodes. I think it's best they keep it that way. The Big O is an anime built on fear, confusion, and morbid curiosity. To remove all curiosity, expose us to an ending that we dread most, and clear the fog of confusion would rip the soul from the series and remove its charm. In my mind, at least, it's far better to let my mind wander and find an explanation than have one spoon-fed to me. The Swarzwald monologues urged us to think and find the ultimate truth by our own designs. Why are you all so insistent on having the pages of Metropolis read to you when you, as a viewer, were probably never meant to read it? Whoever erased the memories of Paradigm likely did so for a very good reason. Perhaps they should stay that way. Big O is complete in my eyes. Leave it alone.

stfu nub.

That aside, nice post and welcome to the forums.

I do think the show ended prematurely but I've came to the realization that it will never be continued and moved on. Even if it were continued at this point the quality would be suspect.

Even though it's highly unlikely it will be made, I still continue to sign petitions and send letters in an attempt to get a 3rd season of Big-O.

For me it's actually kind of fun and I'm not losing anything significant, so I can't find a reason not to.

I signed the petition, bought the Manga's, Dvd box sets etc..and even though I know the *(*&#$) at Cartoon Network could give a crap about us Big O fans, I still hope for a season 3 or at least a Big O movie!!
I have recently become addicted to Bleach in the meantime!

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Originally posted by Roger_Smith quote: Originally posted by Roger_Smith http://www.petitiononline.com/savebigo/petition.html Anyone who see this link sign this petiton !!! 1639 signatures

3123 Signatures Total in 6 months !!!!

i refuse to sign that petition.

call me crazy, but i like stories that end.

seriously how cool would it have been if at the end of romeo and juliet, they both got up and said "j/k guys! now let's go on loving each other for 26 more pages!"

haha i think you get the point.

- BC

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Originally posted by Blue Crow seriously how cool would it have been if at the end of romeo and juliet, they both got up and said "j/k guys! now let's go on loving each other for 26 more pages!"

But... they died. Romeo with the poision and Juliet did herself in with ol boy's dagger.

OR was that the Reset taking place when Mercuito said "A plague on both your houses" and the Event where Romeo and Paris fought each other outside of Juliet's tomb?

Um... I agree with BC is what I'm trying to get at here. Yeah.
Peace.

I feel sick knowing I signed that damn online petion.

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but i like stories that end.

Likewise. Big O is done with, sure the ending isn't what most where hoping for, but what's done is done.

I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything, but I really don't understand this anti-season 3 attitude.

I can understand people who have come to terms with the ending and don't really care if there is a 3rd season. I can also understand if someone doesn't like the ending and wants a 3rd season. However, I still can't find a reason to hate the idea of a 3rd season.

Again, I'm not trying to insult people who don't want a 3rd season. I just don't understand their line of reasoning. If there is a good reason why there shouldn't be a 3rd season I would really like to know.

I don't really need a good reason but I have said my reasons many many times before. It's a time waster and thus far has gained nothing for Big O fans really. Now I like R.K's idea for a fan made season three, and I give him props for going ahead with it.

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Originally posted by paul1290 I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything, but I really don't understand this anti-season 3 attitude. I can understand people who have come to terms with the ending and don't really care if there is a 3rd season. I can also understand if someone doesn't like the ending and wants a 3rd season. However, I still can't find a reason to hate the idea of a 3rd season. Again, I'm not trying to insult people who don't want a 3rd season. I just don't understand their line of reasoning. If there is a good reason why there shouldn't be a 3rd season I would really like to know.

I understand your position, Paul. And I wasn't attacking or insulting anybody, just to let that out there. It's just that I don't see the need for Big O to have a third season is all. I know the ending has, I suppose you can call it a cop-out if you like, an unfinished feel to it but like I've been saying in numerous threads, everything was shown to us to give us the trust to come up with our own conclusions about the ending of the series.

So, no I don't have a hatred for the idea of a season 3 for Big O, its actually an interesting idea. So just don't see how it could be pulled off with the same unique ability and quality as the first two seasons (it would be like The Godfather, Part III to the whole Godfather trilogy I guess?) without taking away from the mysterious allure of the series as a whole. I actually like the ending of Big O and I don't feel like another season is necessary but that's just me.
Peace.

i just don't get why everyone always wants more of the same thing all the time.

it would be like eating birthday cake for every meal every day. even if you changed the icing color every now and then, it would still be a birthday cake. you've tasted it before, and eating it every day just makes you hate it and it ruins your appetite for ever wanting to eat birthday cake ever again. and most likely it would ruin any fond memories you had of enjoying birthday cake in the past.

instead of asking for more big o, or cowboy bebop, or trigun, or whatever- look for something new. something different that will expand your tastes, yet still keep the main elements of what you liked in the first place.

i mean, big o was great. but time to move on.

- BC

You're using the wrong analogies there.

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Originally posted by Mr. D You're using the wrong analogies there.

nah dude. i never use wrong analogies.

but now i'm hungry for cake.

- BC

This sh** ended like The Holy Grail. As in, it didn't rly.

So there is some splaining to do.

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Originally posted by Blue Crow quote: Originally posted by Mr. D You're using the wrong analogies there. nah dude. i never use wrong analogies.

I don't even want a 3rd season anymore, but those are some srsly sh**ty analogies.

This might have been said before, but a lot of people didn't want a season 2, or said it wouldn't happen. Personally, I think season 2 was a little better than 1, and who knows? Even if there's no conclusion, (I was personally one of those people who thought the ending did sort of make sense, in its own weird way) by keeping up the petitions and keeping people aware, at least new fans get to experience the Big O. Anime (or any media, for that matter) that's as artistic as the Big O is deserves some recognition, and that's exactly what the season 3 noise has gotten it.

I wouldn't expect a third season, and if there is one, I don't think I want a fan version. The writers knew what they had in mind for season three, and I think for someone else to continue it without knowing what direction it would have gone would sort of be worse than just leaving where it is. At least, that's my take. If we get season three, great, but if the original writers aren't interested anymore, it's time to push for new anime of the same extremely high quality.

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Originally posted by Ollen70 This might have been said before, but a lot of people didn't want a season 2, or said it wouldn't happen.

Sorry, but that's not true. There was a huge amount of support for season 2 (it sure helped to have one united fan base), and with episode 13 ending in a cliffhanger with the words "To Be Continued," there was no question as to whether or not the series would be extended given the proper funding. Please don't attempt to rewrite history to make season 3 sound more feasible.

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I wouldn't expect a third season, and if there is one, I don't think I want a fan version. The writers knew what they had in mind for season three, and I think for someone else to continue it without knowing what direction it would have gone would sort of be worse than just leaving where it is. At least, that's my take.

I wouldn't want an official third season written by fans, either. But to be fair, the one mentioned earlier is just a fan work, not anything official, so that's fine with me.

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If we get season three, great, but if the original writers aren't interested anymore, it's time to push for new anime of the same extremely high quality.

I agree. However, although I'm not sure if it had anything to do with interest, not all of the original writers participated in season two, either. While Konaka wrote all of the episodes in season two, he only wrote episodes 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7 in season one. Some of the best episodes (in my opinion) were actually done by other writers. Keiichi Hasegawa wrote episodes 5, 8, 10, and 13, Masanao Akahoshi wrote episodes 6 and 12, and Shin Yoshida wrote episodes 9 and 11.

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Originally posted by Blue Crow i just don't get why everyone always wants more of the same thing all the time. it would be like eating birthday cake for every meal every day. even if you changed the icing color every now and then, it would still be a birthday cake. you've tasted it before, and eating it every day just makes you hate it and it ruins your appetite for ever wanting to eat birthday cake ever again. and most likely it would ruin any fond memories you had of enjoying birthday cake in the past. instead of asking for more big o, or cowboy bebop, or trigun, or whatever- look for something new. something different that will expand your tastes, yet still keep the main elements of what you liked in the first place. i mean, big o was great. but time to move on. - BC

I would like to note that both Cowboy Bebop AND Trigun had definitive endings (IE the major underlying plot was resolved, a minimal amount of the smaller sub-plots had loose-ends, etc.). The Big O did not resolve completely. It *ended*, as every season must, but it was not completed or resolved.
Here's a good example of what I'm trying to get at: Full Metal Alchemist. Big time anime of 51 episodes and 1 theatrical release, and it has a huge (and still growing) fanbase. Although the anime ends with that "ohhh there's definately more to come" feel, the FMA movie "Conquerer of Shambala" is, I think, the official "end" of the story of the Elric brothers. The end of the movie (I'm trying not to give too much away here) ends with both brothers facing another journey (an estimated 2 seasons worth, in the fans' eyes)... but the creative team said "No, that's all we planned" and ended it there. [As an extra on the movie's DVD it showed the "warehouse" storing all the FMA project material, and there's good reason to believe that the series has in fact concluded]
Many fans of FMA woud much like to see more adventures, but since the writers are done and have no more ideas, another season of FMA wouldn't be possible --

-- UNLIKE the Big O.

The Big O's creative team have openly acknowledged that there were/are plans for a SeasonIII and that there's incentive to produce it. What they lack, however, is a partner to finance the 3rd season (see: Cartoon Network w/ SeasonII), and a united fanbase wanting more (partially due to the seemingly rushed ending which was frowned upon by a portion of the fans). There is active fan effort to try and find a financial backer for a third season of Big O (savebigo.com), and there is also a large group of fans who would generally like to see a third season (for varying reasons) which can be found here at PCF and in the countless nameless fans out there around the world.

So there is sound reasoning behind the cries to produce a third season of The Big O:
1) The story is not over. The season ended, but the writers have more to write.
2) There is a Big O fanbase to market the series to.
3) CN effectively "killed" The Big O by not financing it. Should there be a company providing the funds, there will likely be another season.

Granted a BigOIII does not look the least bit likely, but if they started airing the third season the writers had envisioned on TV, there'd be a big response. That alone is good enough reason, for me at least, to go for it.

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Originally posted by Zopwx2 I don't even want a 3rd season anymore, but those are some srsly sh**ty analogies.

well, i tried.

ok, how about this one- think of big o as a delicious hot dog. it's hot and juicy when you eat it and you enjoy every bite of it (season one). then it moves into your belly and satisfies your hunger, however later on during the digestion you start to get cramps and feel sick. it's all caught up in your intestines and what not (season 2). then, you run to the bathroom and take a gigantic dump that rips your ass (season 3). something went wrong during digestion and the entire process was drawn out causing horrible discomfort and pain.

haha. better?

- BC