Season 3 Discussion

Maybe just one episode. It doesn't even have to be anime. Just a guy from Sunrise sitting in front of the camera, explaining the whole thing for 15 minutes.

ACT, I did notice the postponement of The Family Guy episode and I felt at the time that action made up for it. And I know most people were asleep on Halloween, but clearly not everyone was. Couldn’t those video cam guys have said something along the line of “Oops, we’ll have to tell the bosses about this.”

Some of my post was probably an overreaction. I just kinda feel that I’ve been jerked around by CN. I’m just so annoyed because it seems like it would be a good business decision to get a new season and Adult Swim won’t do it.

I just wanted to rant about it a bit. You see, there is a reason I’ve been a member of the boards for nearly a year and have only five postings. I tend to make a bit of an ass of myself whenever I do post.

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Originally posted by transsiberia ACT, I did notice the postponement of The Family Guy episode and I felt at the time that action made up for it. And I know most people were asleep on Halloween, but clearly not everyone was. Couldn’t those video cam guys have said something along the line of “Oops, we’ll have to tell the bosses about this.” Some of my post was probably an overreaction. I just kinda feel that I’ve been jerked around by CN. I’m just so annoyed because it seems like it would be a good business decision to get a new season and Adult Swim won’t do it. I just wanted to rant about it a bit. You see, there is a reason I’ve been a member of the boards for nearly a year and have only five postings. I tend to make a bit of an ass of myself whenever I do post.

No problem.

Adult Swim could do a much better job -- no question. But at the same time, it was probably a lot to ask of their Halloween party-goers to understand the public relations needs of the moment. I don't think Adult Swim even HAS any PR people of their own, let alone ones who attend Webcam parties.

As I said at the time, it's too bad that they didn't have enough brainpower onsite to find the right tape and slam it in for the second showing. But apparently they just run the same three-hour AS tape twice, and don't have much ability (or desire?) to do anything else in the control room.

Cartoon Network has gone from a "crappy cartoon rerun" station to something pretty cool, but in my opinion they haven't grown completely into their new role. They still have rough edges. Any of the major networks would have done a much better job, probably finding the right tape within minutes, or at least by the second showing.

As much as I would love a full-blown season three, I personaly feel that a well done movie or series of OAVs would serve just as well in the end.

Actually, a run of occasional OAVs, say one every quarter, or perhps biannually, could advance the universe of Big O, keep the fan base alive, and answer some of our questions.

not to mention that it would continue to provide new DVDs and merchandise sales...

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Originally posted by Advinius As much as I would love a full-blown season three, I personaly feel that a well done movie or series of OAVs would serve just as well in the end. Actually, a run of occasional OAVs, say one every quarter, or perhps biannually, could advance the universe of Big O, keep the fan base alive, and answer some of our questions. not to mention that it would continue to provide new DVDs and merchandise sales...

Whether Big O continues as weekly episodes, OAVs, or movies, the thing for us to do is to keep the pot bubbling. So write to Cartoon Network and tell then you like the show and you'd like to see it in the lineup. Write to Bandai and tell them how much you like the DVDs and you'd like to see a season 2 boxset. Write to Sunrise and let them know how much you like the show and that you'd like to see more.

Any time the companies associated with Big O gets a letter or postcard about the show, it demonstrates continuing interest and support. So take five minutes and write today.

Cartoon Network Programming
1050 Techwood Drive
Atlanta, GA 30318

Customer Service
Bandai Entertainment
P.O. Box 6054
Cypress, CA 90630

Sunrise Inc.
2-44-10 Kami-igusa, Suginami-ku, Tokyo Japan 167-0023
or in kanji

Zola suggested that you print this image and paste it onto the envelope as a courtesy.

Pygmalion

Why settle for just a movie, or a few episodes? We could get so much more! If it sucks, don't watch it, but thats no reason not to ask for it. It's kind of like asking for gruel, if you ask for more you never know what your going to get, but at least its more! Supporting a Season 3 fully is very important to our cause, I want to see not only a TBO III, but the full 26 episodes that CN planned for. I don't want a movie to just explain things, I want a full season!

SUPPORT BIG O!

A third season is not a bad idea as long as the idea's are put together in a good way

Maybe we don't need a season 3, there really aren't that many things unexplained, just a few loose ends like these:

What are those gears at the bottom of the ocean? What was all that about rogers coming off an assembly line? Why was there a picture of young gordon shaking hands with roger with an unfinished dome behind them? What was their contract? What is big venus? What is the point of those stagelights? What was the vision of roger with a seatbelt and different clothes all about? What is with b66? What is that underground place? Why did angel grow wings? What was that control room at the end? why was she rehersering her own life? why was she desigining a dorothy doll? why did everything get erased? what was roger doing driving at the end again? he was still a negotiator.... why were angel and dorothy standing at the side of the road? WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT GIANT YELLOW THING THAT GOT TEN SECONDS OF AIR TIME?! What is the nature of android/megadeus compatitibily? What is it that schwarzwald wrote to roger? What does beck know about androids and megadei. What exactly was gordons tomato project going to do, perserve memories? What memories? What is with glinda and dr waynerights mansion? Why does he have a copper room? The never fully explained the the soldano/wayneright situation? What is with winter night phantom and the repeating movie and mini dastun? What was going on in that scene where there were three rogers a including tomato child and invisable man? What did those images of many bigs figthing leviathans and destroying paradigm mean? What happend 40 years ago? Is there even such thing as 40 years ago? Is paradigm even real?

And this is only the stuff I could think of off the top of my head........

More tomato migraines...

Personally I think in order to do the mysteries of the world of Paradigm justice, you should do it in at least 13 episodes. It would take several movies to do the same thing, in my opinion, to allow all the drama to properly unfold. So I'm quite adamant that there should be at least the 13 episodes of Season 3. Based on my fanfic ideas of course. Just kidding.

Compared to those masterminds who wrote those 26 episodes, I'm a rank amateur, but I'm going to give it my all.

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Originally posted by Pygmalion Whether Big O continues as weekly episodes, OAVs, or movies, the thing for us to do is to keep the pot bubbling. So write to Cartoon Network and tell then you like the show and you'd like to see it in the lineup. Write to Bandai and tell them how much you like the DVDs and you'd like to see a season 2 boxset. Write to Sunrise and let them know how much you like the show and that you'd like to see more. Any time the companies associated with Big O gets a letter or postcard about the show, it demonstrates continuing interest and support. So take five minutes and write today. Cartoon Network Programming 1050 Techwood Drive Atlanta, GA 30318 Customer Service Bandai Entertainment P.O. Box 6054 Cypress, CA 90630 Sunrise Inc. 2-44-10 Kami-igusa, Suginami-ku, Tokyo Japan 167-0023 or in kanji Zola suggested that you print this image and paste it onto the envelope as a courtesy.

Thanks for reminding everyone about the addresses, no matter what else we do, one of the most important things is to keep those letters coming.

On the AdultSwim forums, someone recently posted a letter they received from the Williams Street action team. They said, they'd love another season of "Big O", but they don't ever anticipate receiving the funds, so "hope you enjoy our other anime", bla, bla, bla. So I have a new plan of attack. I am sending them my letter asking for another season with a dollar enclosed. If we all do the same that adds up to lots of dollars--the perfect pyramid scheme--and then they can't deny us another season!

Come on! Who's with me!

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Originally posted by Jane On the AdultSwim forums, someone recently posted a letter they received from the Williams Street action team. They said, they'd love another season of "Big O", but they don't ever anticipate receiving the funds, so "hope you enjoy our other anime", bla, bla, bla. So I have a new plan of attack. I am sending them my letter asking for another season with a dollar enclosed. If we all do the same that adds up to lots of dollars--the perfect pyramid scheme--and then they can't deny us another season! Come on! Who's with me!

In fact, playing on the www.wheresgeorge.com website, I suggest that we write "www.savebigo.com" on the dollars we send in.

Pygmalion

Am I the only person left in the fandom who is still seriously opposed to a third season?

The only thing that would change my mind is if Konaka & Co. flat-out said "Yeah, we really had a whole slew of ideas to continue the story after the second season. We would have loved to flesh it all out, but this was all we could do."

Sure, I was dumbstruck when I saw Act 26 (in Japanese without subtitles no less, adding to the confusion), and I spent a looong time reanalyzing the entire show and discussing it with fellow forumers, but people who clamor and beg for the show to be ammended with more episodes or a movie to explain all the mysteries of Paradigm City, to me, are missing the entire point of the show: that those mysteries are insignificant.

What illustrates this to me more to me than anything else is the contrast between Schwarzwald and Roger. Seebach was a man who had, for the most part, noble intentions. Seek out the truth of the city's past, get people concerned and interested in the nature of their existence, knowledge is power, all that stuff. But he became so damn obsessed with the whole thing that it turned him into a paranoid, murderous psycopath.

Roger Smith? Doesn't care much about the past. He has his demons and issues with it, yes, but he thinks it's more important to focus on the present and future and that no matter what has happened in days past, that life is only what you make it to be, and that (possibly false) memories aren't what make people who they are. Though he often had to confront these mysteries in his line of duty, dealing with people like Alex, Schwarzwald, and the Union, all of his actions were done with the sole intent of simply protecting the people of Paradigm City. He never once embarked to unravel the past for his own purposes, and he is likely better for it.

Memories, in the context of this show, are often a terrible and untrustworthy thing. Some seek to exploit them for power, some cling onto them for false hope, and some lose their sanity to them. It's all akin to opening Pandora's Box. Let the past be. Live in the present. Strive towards the future. That's the theme of the show to me. That's the one point that comes across when all's said and done.

I love Big-O, and I've been watching since its American debut. If a third season came out, I'd watch it and tell my friends to do the same. I'd grab the DVDs when they hit the shelves. I'd get back into the whole online scene again. However, I would utterly HATE to see an entire 13 episode season devoted to disclosing all the information behind the curtains of Paradigm City. The idea of full-disclosure seems like it would kill the magic behind the series. It would be saddening to see so much focus on detective work and not the atmosphere, people, and day-to-day ongoings that made Paradigm City and its inhabitants so appealing to me. The entire second season was already devoted to this. Isn't that enough?

I'd be all for some back/side-story. Release an OVA of Roger's days in the military police, or maybe Seebach's days as a news reporter, or the life of a younger Tim Wayneright and the human Dorothy. But just an appendix to spell-out in plain English the intangible mystery that distinguishes this show from so many others seems flat-out wrong.

Oh, and um... hi. >_>... Visited the site to find places to buy season 2 DVDs. Found out about the box set coming November. Can't wait. Thought I'd drop by.

Nice to see you pop back in.

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Originally posted by Sixfortyfive Am I the only person left in the fandom who is still seriously opposed to a third season?

You and Johnny Axehandle. [Just you now: I've changed my views.]

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The only thing that would change my mind is if Konaka & Co. flat-out said "Yeah, we really had a whole slew of ideas to continue the story after the second season. We would have loved to flesh it all out, but this was all we could do."

The only thing we got from Konaka was this:


Do You Want To See 3rd?

On his home page.

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Sure, I was dumbstruck when I saw Act 26 (in Japanese without subtitles no less, adding to the confusion), and I spent a looong time reanalyzing the entire show and discussing it with fellow forumers, but people who clamor and beg for the show to be ammended with more episodes or a movie to explain all the mysteries of Paradigm City, to me, are missing the entire point of the show: that those mysteries are insignificant. What illustrates this to me more to me than anything else is the contrast between Schwarzwald and Roger. Seebach was a man who had, for the most part, noble intentions. Seek out the truth of the city's past, get people concerned and interested in the nature of their existence, knowledge is power, all that stuff. But he became so damn obsessed with the whole thing that it turned him into a paranoid, murderous psycopath. Roger Smith? Doesn't care much about the past. He has his demons and issues with it, yes, but he thinks it's more important to focus on the present and future and that no matter what has happened in days past, that life is only what you make it to be, and that (possibly false) memories aren't what make people who they are. Though he often had to confront these mysteries in his line of duty, dealing with people like Alex, Schwarzwald, and the Union, all of his actions were done with the sole intent of simply protecting the people of Paradigm City. He never once embarked to unravel the past for his own purposes, and he is likely better for it. Memories, in the context of this show, are often a terrible and untrustworthy thing. Some seek to exploit them for power, some cling onto them for false hope, and some lose their sanity to them. It's all akin to opening Pandora's Box. Let the past be. Live in the present. Strive towards the future. That's the theme of the show to me. That's the one point that comes across when all's said and done. I love Big-O, and I've been watching since its American debut. If a third season came out, I'd watch it and tell my friends to do the same. I'd grab the DVDs when they hit the shelves. I'd get back into the whole online scene again. However, I would utterly HATE to see an entire 13 episode season devoted to disclosing all the information behind the curtains of Paradigm City. The idea of full-disclosure seems like it would kill the magic behind the series. It would be saddening to see so much focus on detective work and not the atmosphere, people, and day-to-day ongoings that made Paradigm City and its inhabitants so appealing to me. The entire second season was already devoted to this. Isn't that enough? I'd be all for some back/side-story. Release an OVA of Roger's days in the military police, or maybe Seebach's days as a news reporter, or the life of a younger Tim Wayneright and the human Dorothy. But just an appendix to spell-out in plain English the intangible mystery that distinguishes this show from so many others seems flat-out wrong. Oh, and um... hi. >_>... Visited the site to find places to buy season 2 DVDs. Found out about the box set coming November. Can't wait. Thought I'd drop by.

Wow. Honestly that was the only time anyone has ever made the show make any sense to my satisfaction. Thank You. Now I have to try to forget everything I just read before I turn my back on season 3.

But you gotta admit, it seems like they had a lot more planned at the end that they didn't get to.

And since Konaka seems to not mind a season 3, I don't mind either.

P.S.

Nobody wants a detailed explanation shoved right in their faces, we're Big O fans for godsakes, of course we love to figure stuff out. I think the writers have lots of stuff to work with that doesn't just flat out expain everything.

Sixforyfive, you couldn't be more correct.

Hey everyone the Season 3 FAQ is out! Check it out for an easy to use reference for all information.

I disagree, i think that just because other shows an movies have failed to create succesful trilogies, doesnt mean that ig O will follow in their footsteps.

I'm still so disgusted with disbelief that the third season is in limbo. I feel violated. I don't need everything spelled out to me neatly in black and white, but I feel once the ball got rolling in the making of Season 3, the creators decided they needed that extra season to help tell the finish. They weren't sure if they'd get it though I guess, so they rushed to get as much as they could in the last episodes as teasers. As a result, the battle with the yellow "behemoth" was non-existant more or less. I can't beleive they'd design something so detailed (so I've heard from the art book) and then not really use it.

Season 2's ending is a season finale sure, but no series ender. Leaves way too much blank without any strong way of coming to a true conclusion...beleive me, I've tried a lot on these forums with many people, and I've done some really detailed ones on religion, literature, etc--people may remember. lol. But there's no solid sense of closure. I mean, anime series have ended ambiguously before, but they normally give you a strong sense of what it means. BIG-O? nope. The Angel--"director-"memory thing was thrown at us LAST EPISODE.

I think Konaka got pressured recently not to push the third season or something, because the "want to see 3rd" sentense is off the site now.

Let it be told!

I want the 13 to 26 extra episodes of BIG-O 3. Maybe OVA, but not movie, it'd be too quick and not do justice to the epic. I think there's more to BIG-O than we realize given all the developments in the last episode alone... (though that's nothing new...ep. 13 did this too, heh). --it's to introduce more!

WHY would CN ask for a 26 episode extension BEYOND episode 26, if there was no desire, will, or ideas to make the story go on to what would have been a real conclusion? Money-wise and idea-wise, it makes no sense to ask for that many more episodes unless there was a reason to. I mean, they could have asked for an additional 13...or less even, but they said 26!

Whatever it takes, I want the full ending intended by the creators. Let these people tell their tale, don't hold'em down!

Maybe we SHOULD each send a buck in (as mentoned earlier in this thread) if money's the "unfixable" prob. lol.
Maybe CN would get the message!

...I mean, without Season 3...it's almost like we got all that build-up and complexity...for nothing in the end? I don't beleive its random fluff. lol. I'd like to see it COME TO TERMS!!! ^_^

After seeing Sky Captain last night, it only reaffirmed something: BIG-O has yet to have, and still needs a massively-scaled battle, just once. I mean, I can't think of a more climactic sequence for Roger than seeing the army of Big Duos swooping down on him, or Big Faus (assuming there's more than one) rising from the sea, or fellow BIG-Os marching the streets. That would be epic and spectacular! Roger's last stand vs. a 'form' of 'the Event' with the powerful song playing from when he uses that super-chain attack against the 3 foreign megadei or, better yet, the song 'STONING!' And before all the nay-sayers start saying that wouldn't be deep enough, I'm not saying there wouldn't be lots of thinking and twists, I love that stuff, but the kind of visuals and emotions we'd get in that type of desperate struggle would be outstanding!!!

GO BIG-O 3!