Season 3 Discussion

the issue of anticipation and waiting are very good points. No one wants to make a concrete statement until they are sure they will deliver. Problems with things like this isn't just the publics desire for a show (although that does make a difference) but also things like the will of the creator to continue it, also if they do where they plan on going with it, and then us having to be patient about the process.

There have been times in the past that not leaving something well enough alone and letting it go at its own pace leads to things going bad. Music does this when people spit out albums all the time with cookie cutter material instead of doing one after a couple of years that they are actually proud of that people can get behind (like Linkin Park taking almost three years for Meteora, well worth the wait). Also when Neon Genesis Evangelion ended the creator got death threats, hate mail, and all sorts of other horrible things from people who wanted a "real ending". They weren't satisfied with his work and told him what to do when he was going through emotional and mental problems at the time of completion. Then he was like "FINE!! YOU WANT AN ENDING? HUH? FINE HERE'S YOUR STINKIN' ENDING YOU VULTURES!!" and came out with the End of Evangelion. I for one like the original series ending over the film and would have loved to see what he would have done had he been left alone to collect himself.

But I'm getting off topic. If they can't get the creator to continue, or if there isn't enough material then this can hamper the thing. And personally, even though I would love the show to continue, I do hope we don't pressure them to release something third rate or copped out.

(P.S. the same thing happened on DBZ. It was supposed to end with Freezer Saga. But it did so well that they paid Akira Toriyama to keep it going and you can see the difference in quality of story and continuation from then on. then they did GT and he had nothing to even do with that.)

I agree with Texan, I think its more up to the people who make Big O, I think I've said this before, what the lady that does Dorothy's voice decided she didn't want to do another sequel, maybe she could get payed more elsewhere!
Who plays Dorothy's character in the voice cast? --- Now that would be a good question for a quiz game about Big O for Dorothy-fannites

Those voice actors probably do not get paid very much. Certainly they get enough to live off but they don't get as much as a live action actor would. Recording an episode of an anime can't take that long so if one of the VAs wants to do something new and different there's nothing preventing them from doing it even if they're in the process of recording another show. If the actors can get a job they'll take it.

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Originally posted by Agamemnon I agree with Texan, I think its more up to the people who make Big O, I think I've said this before, what the lady that does Dorothy's voice decided she didn't want to do another sequel, maybe she could get payed more elsewhere! Who plays Dorothy's character in the voice cast? --- Now that would be a good question for a quiz game about Big O for Dorothy-fannites

That would be highly unlikely, considering Dorothy's US VA, Lia Sargent, also was the director for the NA version. For both seasons as well. The only VA catch they might run into is the fact that Steven and Wendee are doing Megas XLR right now and might be under contract for that for a while.

I was just using that as a example, what meant was that Big O would be forever changed if one of the major production/crew people left. Who knows maybe she will be offered a job on survivor, wierder things have happened!

Coming this winter...
Survivor Anime!

If I understand things correctly, voice acting is often fitted in between other work. That's why it's so easy for the major studios to get celebrity voices for their animated flicks. Not too many actors are so booked that they can't do voice acting on the side.

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Originally posted by A Clockwork Tomato If I understand things correctly, voice acting is often fitted in between other work. That's why it's so easy for the major studios to get celebrity voices for their animated flicks. Not too many actors are so booked that they can't do voice acting on the side.

True, you can do a lot more material for voice acting in one day than performing in front of a camera.

But what if Roger Smith is on camera . Also I think it matters if the voice acting is done first, or if the animation is done first, you can really see this in video games.

With the current news that Season 3 has not been picked up.*

I feel that the show has become officially pointless, it was a fun ride while it lasted, but it didn't really go anywhere or end coherantly.

*of course if somehow sesaon 3 ever does come about, my comments are retracted.

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Originally posted by Zopwx2 With the current news that Season 3 has not been picked up.* I feel that the show has become officially pointless, it was a fun ride while it lasted, but it didn't really go anywhere or end coherantly. *of course if somehow sesaon 3 ever does come about, my comments are retracted.

Well, I think that's the point of the campaign. To do our best to help Season Three come about.

I was exploring another forum site and surprising there were some people mad that big-0 was taking off on saturdays to put more comdey on saturdays. Also that some of the guys in this forum compare Big-0 theroy to the Matrix. They loved season 1 but didn't quite get the idea of season 2 espically the ending, alot of people wrote WTF? at act 26. When they ask if a season 3 would clear that up, some wrote that would be a good idea, others wrote "How would season 3 make a differnece?" the way season 2 ended left many thinking that the show "restarts" more on the way.............PS Save Big-0 now buy the DVD Vol. 4 7/27

Hi guys, below is a long rant I have written about Adult Swim deciding not to make a third season. I know it says a lot of things that have been said a thousand times before; but I am very frustrated right now and would like to get a few things off my chest. Thank you for being patient of me and my rambling.

I must admit I was very surprised to hear that Adult Swim didn’t intend to make a third season of The Big O. I’m afraid I just can’t understand the logic of it. The ratings of this show, in Adult Swim’s own words, surpassed expectations as it won the night nearly every week of its first run. Even in re-runs, it rates in the top three of all the action shows. It’s clearly a hit, so I am utterly bewildered at the decision to forgo another season. A new season should be a slam dunk, lucratively. I read about how the powers that be at Adult Swim were focusing on the success of the comedy shows, but how can they overlook the fact it was these very comedy shows that The Big O was beating out every week? I don’t get it. I understand that Adult Swim is a business and the goal is to make money, but a third season would make plenty of money!

In addition, this decision of Adult Swim seems like a slap in the face I can’t help but take personally. Adult Swim has taken my viewership, as well as the viewership of several other action fans for granted. The first obvious example of this was the infamous Halloween Final episode screw-up. I think I am right in saying that the mix-up in episodes itself irritated us, but it was Adult Swim’s reaction to this mistake that outraged us. I read over the Adult Swim message boards that night and the messages being posted at the beginning were confused but reasonably polite posts asking what had happened. But no answers were forthcoming. There was not even a simple response from them saying that they knew that a mistake had occurred and that they would get back to us about when the correct episode would be shown. This would have taken all of 45 seconds to do and would have mollified most of the fans immediately. Instead, they ridiculed the fan holding the “The Big O is displeased” poster and deleted the fan messages; which had become angrier and angrier as the powers that be continued to ignore us. It was not until the next day that they finally deigned to respond. After this fiasco, Adult Swim made light of the incident and never ever took responsibility for the real reason for our anger.

What does Adult Swim hope to gain by alienating its action fans? Would it make more financial sense to appeal to both comedy and action. Clearly action fans are feeling alienated if our dissatisfaction has reached the point that the bumpers have to comment on it. Yes, Adult Swim, we think you do hate anime because you have given us reason to think it. The problem here is your conduct, not our attitude. I remember people complaining months ago that the action fans were being taken for granted and I thought that they were overreacting. I no longer think that.

Adult Swim promised in its bumpers that the way to getting a third season depended on high ratings. The ratings for The Big O, I repeat, were beyond expectations for the first run. As for the re-runs, the ratings were higher for this show than any other re-run action show. This in spite of the fact that it is not even included in the Saturday Action commercial and it does not immediately follow the new action shows, meaning that we are making a special effort to come back to see this show.

Adult Swim won’t even show us the courtesy of making an official announcement letting everyone know of their decision. Instead, they send chipper, condescending, generic messages written on postcards to the people who took the trouble to write in. The Save the Big O effort would doubtless have a lot more fans contributing if this decision was widely known. I stumbled upon this information purely by chance. I assumed the obvious success of The Big O assured us a third season and I was willing to wait in silence for the months it would take to draw a new season. I imagine many other fans saw things the same way.

So why oh why is Adult Swim doing this? We have done everything they asked for to get a third season. We have been loyal and forgiving fans and our reward is to be passed over for the comedy shows that (I will say once again) The Big O beat out nearly every time. I love Adult Swim and I enjoy the comedy shows, but this Big O decision is unconscionable! I’ve been burned by this network yet again. There is only a certain amount of times I will endure that before I decide that it is no longer worth it and take my viewership and disposable income elsewhere.

Please guys, help me out. Help me understand why Adult Swim is doing what they are doing, because I am stumped.

I would like to send a letter similar to this one to Mike Lazzo and whoever else should get one. Is this message clear and/or professional enough? Too rambling and redundant? Is there some way I could make it better before sending it off (other than making it second instead of third person)? I am also considering posting this on the Adult Swim message board, for all the good that will do. There were doubtless be three messages immediately following mine saying something like “bigo sux. rogEr is quer big robots is dum”

As far as season 3 goes, and it not being picked up, ever heard of the "All good things..." quote? I dont mean to sound insensitive or apathetic to the cause...but could Big O really go for season after season like Inuyasha or any other long series? For some reason, I dont feel like it can. So, if we were able to get a season 3, we'd be in the same boat we are in now, we'd still want more Big O, even if closure were provided. Granted, we'd probably be content with the end, because of the conclusion provided, but we'd still want more.

Like Cowboy Bebop, The Big O, no matter how great it is, and no matter how high we hold it, will have to end sometime. And probably at a time when the consensus wishes for more. Either way...with or without a season 3, eventually we'll see the end of The Big O. (Depressing, huh? As much as I want more Cowboy Bebop, I know Im not going to get it.)

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Originally posted by transsiberia In addition, this decision of Adult Swim seems like a slap in the face I can’t help but take personally. Adult Swim has taken my viewership, as well as the viewership of several other action fans for granted. The first obvious example of this was the infamous Halloween Final episode screw-up. I think I am right in saying that the mix-up in episodes itself irritated us, but it was Adult Swim’s reaction to this mistake that outraged us. I read over the Adult Swim message boards that night and the messages being posted at the beginning were confused but reasonably polite posts asking what had happened. But no answers were forthcoming. There was not even a simple response from them saying that they knew that a mistake had occurred and that they would get back to us about when the correct episode would be shown. This would have taken all of 45 seconds to do and would have mollified most of the fans immediately. Instead, they ridiculed the fan holding the “The Big O is displeased” poster and deleted the fan messages; which had become angrier and angrier as the powers that be continued to ignore us. It was not until the next day that they finally deigned to respond. After this fiasco, Adult Swim made light of the incident and never ever took responsibility for the real reason for our anger.

I hate to tell you this, but, in the middle of the night, most people are asleep. This goes double for decision-makers. You're making a pretty wild assumption if you think that anyone with any authority at AS is actually working when Big O airs. Most of them were probably with their families. It WAS Halloween, after all.

The real question is what happens during actual business hours. What AS did once the decision-makers arrived at work was to instantly reschedule their first-ever airing of the never-before-seen FAMILY GUY episode, which they had been promoting like mad, and putting the airing of Act 26 in its place.

They bumped a highly publicized episode of their most popular show so they could air Act 26 in its usual timeslot. That's the acid test. Adult Swim passed it. Nobody noticed.

The AS Halloween party wasn't a business meeting. The people there had their marching orders to be wild and crazy. Their actions signify nothing.

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Please guys, help me out. Help me understand why Adult Swim is doing what they are doing, because I am stumped.

I assume that they don't have enough budget to buy many new shows at once, and Big O didn't quite make the cut. That's all. AS has always been on a tight budget; everything they do shows this. They've been increasing the amount they've been spending bit by bit, with higher-quality syndicated shows (FUTURAMA, FAMILY GUY) and new programming (BIG O and others). Just being able to order ANY new episodes from outside studios is something new for AS.

They don't announce the non-renewal of Big O because they don't make press releases like that. I talked to a PR guy at Cartoon Network, and they basically only announce happy stuff, though they'd go into more depth if they had a major publication doing a story for them. I think it's pretty amazing that they'll tell fans as much as they do on post cards. I wouldn't.

It's not clear to me what we can tell Mike Lazzo that he doesn't know already. Presumably, he's the one who bought the first season of Big O in the first place and went to bat for the second season. All the facts about THE PAST are at his disposal. What he needs now is to have enough budget to do the right things, and to be convinced that fan demand for a third season of Big O hasn't disappeared.

So I recommend that everyone periodically send a fan letter to Cartoon Network or to cartooncomments@turner.com, asking for a third season of Big O and asking for the first two seasons to come back on the air. If the fan mail continues even after the show's been off the air for some time, it means something. Lazzo knows what's already happened, but he can't measure continuing demand except through our fan responses.

The other side of the coin is Sunrise. The more DVDs and manga are sold, the more money they make, and the happier they will be with the idea of more Big O episodes even if they lose AS or if AS tries to talk down the price. So buy everything you think you'll enjoy, and talk up the show to other fans! There are plenty of anime OVAs that sell well in spite of never having been on TV, and Big O can benefit from the same kind of word-of-mouth those get.

Well, one thing I must say, not necessarily in defense of CN and Adult Swim but I feel should be said nonetheless.

Television and tv programming is not in the customer service industry. As having an ex-girlfriend who has worked for a satellite installation facility, I am fairly knowledgable when it comes to television, viewership and programming. The only real sector of television that is in the customer service industry is the cable companies and satellite companies that provide a service to the consumers who wish to have crisp programming and reception.

Networks do not have a responsibility to continually show programs because of fan support. They are in the business to make money. Now, common economics and fiscal responsibility will, in most times, prove that popular shows will have a fanbase that allow for networks to make money on a program or show. However, they dont have to keep producing, airing, or aid in the continuing production of show just because it has lots of viewers and is popular.

Executives and officers at networks, production studios, etc. they are paid to know how to make money. They have (most of the time) creativity and knowledge on how to exploit a strength and run with it to make the most money in the fastest amount of time. Adult Swim and CN focusing on shows that are making money while turning their blind eye towards Big O may be upsetting, but thats the world we live in. They are not in business to make people happy, they are in business to make money.

The Big O not being granted a third season, as upsetting as it is, is really something CN and AS have no responsibility to partake in, regardless of how the fans feel. Also, even if new Big O content is produced, CN doesnt have a responsibility to air it either, regardless of who's loss it may be (the viewers, CN themselves for losing viewers, etc.).

Seriously, I don't even want a full season 3, I'd settle for a 4 episode ending or a little movie, or even an email from the head writer telling me what he was trying to say.

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Originally posted by Zopwx2 Seriously, I don't even want a full season 3, I'd settle for a 4 episode ending or a little movie, or even an email from the head writer telling me what he was trying to say.

Yeah, but if his concept of what the ending meant wasn't completely boneheaded, it would open up new possibilities for the show's future, and THEN you'd want a Season 3.

I mean, it's not like Roger is likely to look around after what happened, not his head, and say, "That makes perfect sense. I'm FULLY SATISFIED with the world just the way it is!" and then retire.

As far as I can tell, Angel's contribution at the end was to return Paradigm to the totally screwed-up state it was in the day before the exnd; she didn't make it all perfect or anything.

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As far as I can tell, Angel's contribution at the end was to return Paradigm to the totally screwed-up state it was in the day before the exnd; she didn't make it all perfect or anything

Thats what it looks like to me too...pretty much she reversed the whole Big O-Big Fau-Big Venus scenario...but everything isnt picture perfect...

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Originally posted by StevieV019 quote: As far as I can tell, Angel's contribution at the end was to return Paradigm to the totally screwed-up state it was in the day before the exnd; she didn't make it all perfect or anything Thats what it looks like to me too...pretty much she reversed the whole Big O-Big Fau-Big Venus scenario...but everything isnt picture perfect...

Remove Alex Rosewater and Vera, and you have the start of ACT's season 3.

i don't even think a full 13 eps are necessary...(wow my grammar sux)...A movie (that is good, and a prequel! ) would be a very very good thing, and if not, perhaps 6 eps or something like that...