Season 3 Discussion

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Originally posted by Big Money quote: Originally posted by Pygmalion quote: Originally posted by NVWC2006 Hmm... Maybe just a season in general based around the baddies? maybe just called The Bigs? How about Big Trouble? Pygmalion Good book, bad movie. Dave Barry is cool, Tim Allen ruins everything. It would be neat to see some shwartzie backstory, but it wouldn'e be the same unless Alan Gabriel became his "Dorothy." But it couldn't be called Big Duo. It has too many syllables, and doesn't fit the Flash Gordon theme.

Big Du!

Big Du Big Du- Du O!!

I think it could fit. =p

It should be called "Big Duo: An Erotic Thriller".

The final act could be Alan Gabriel and schwarzwald fighting in Big Duo as it flies to teh satge lights

At the risk of angering Almasy I'm copying and pasting this post I made at mini-Paradigm because it's like two and half pages long.

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Roger won't fall in love with Angel. He's already rejected her twice and that first time he was trying really hard not to.

This is what's going to happen; for the first few episodes (2 at the very least, 6 at the most) Roger is going to be absolutely devoted to Dorothy but she's not going to give him the frelling time of day.

Their relationship has turned into the likes of Sheridan and Delenn's (Babylon 5) and John and Aeryn (Farscape); it's a central part of the main character's motivations. This is shown most prominently in 'The Third Big' where Roger abandons Big O and Paradigm City to go rescue Dorothy. The typical hero thing to do would be to leave Dorothy to be destroyed and instead save Paradigm. Like Spock said 'the needs of the many must out weigh the needs of the few or the one'. Roger's brain is longer operating in 'typical hero' mode.

But I'm rambling.

You've got six basic developmental phases in these kind of relationships

1.) The gettin' to know ya phase: The two characters spend time with each other and over time develop an appreciation for the qualities in each other that they appreciate. yada yada yada, you know the deal

Phase 2.) Nearly together but not quite: The two characters either look like they could get together any moment or in fact are at the early stages of being together (in Big O this period would be 'third big'-'twisted memories')

to keep the audience's interest you then have

Phase 3.) the 'other' man/woman- In the case of the Big O the other woman showed up before phase 1. But typically after phase 2 is where you'd expect the other woman to show up because the other man/woman usually is the cause of

phase 4.) the relationship red light- an event occurs that rocks the foundation on which the relationship was founded. (in Big O it's Dorothy allowing herself to be taken by the machines.

phase 5.) The moral dilema- this is typically an aftershock of phase 4 (In Big O Dorothy allowing herself to be taken makes Rger doubt weather or not she is in charge of her own destiny)

phase 6.) This next part is key in any tv relationship of this type. Both characters must work through their respective personal issues associated with phase 4.
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Though their order may vary these relationships typically go through every one of these phases.

Often phase 6 involves more than the characters working through their feelings on any one event. Both characters must work to make the relationship work. If they don't then the audience might become apahetic with the relationship and lose interest, and because these relationships are main points of interest to people watching the show the ratings then go down and then you get cancelled. And you can't have that.

Dorothy, so far, has been the one driving their relationship forward. Dorothy acts, Roger reacts. Dorothy runs away in act 2, Roger has to go get her back. Dorothy gets mad over heaven's day, and with much prompting Roger buys her a gift. Dorothy goes to check out the union and is acttacked by Alan and Roger has to go save her.

Admittedly Roger has taken the lead a few times. Act 26 is the biggest example. But as big a deal as Dorothy coming back to life to save him was, no single act can possibly counter nearly 2 seasons of Roger not taking the lead. Roger has to take control of this thing in the next season.

Dorothy might have some guilt still left over from her lie in act 22 and who knows, waking up from the dead isn't a very android thing to do either so she might worry about that as well. Whatever it is it'll make Dorothy doubt or seriously re-think her feelings for Roger.

If we only get one extra season this will all be resolved in maybe 3 or 4 episodes. If there's packaged deal including season 4 then this could streach out over maybe . . . 8 episodes? That might be a little high, but the writers do like to like to be subtle. So the first 2 - 3 episods things between Roger and Dorothy might look fine and then slowly we'll become painfully aware that something is deffinatly not alright between them as far as Dorothy goes. . . so. . . um, I'll revise that. I'd say 6 episodes to resolve it, 7 at the most.

I have to go eat. I'll be back to edit this later.



muchlove
-dork

This is sort of strange, I wonder what he is talking about in this excerpt from an interview with Mike Lazzo:

http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/bo...25182&jump=true

Q: You spend a couple of million dollars to do what?

A: Making a series, making 13 episodes of something. Even on the low end, it is going to cost you around $1 million to make 13 of something. On the high end, it is going to cost you $5 million or $6 million. I think I was a little informed by asking Mom and Dad for money when I was a kid. They wanted to be paid back. I never wanted to pay them back but always found that I ended up having to pay them back. I kind of see this the same way. We are getting the money from somewhere. We've got to pay them back. Hopefully, shows will be popular enough to drive the advertising to do so, and that is working. That really informs every decision. The first thing I say is: How are we going to pay Mom and Dad back here?

Zopwx2's Commentary: 1 million for big o? It might make sense but I don't know how much it takes to make an anime. Makes me kind of scared that the season 3 might not happen if they can't pay Ted Turner his million dollars back......

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Originally posted by Zopwx2 Makes me kind of scared that the season 3 might not happen if they can't pay Ted Turner his million dollars back......

It's worth remembering the Pretty Big Deal around these parts when Cartoon Network started showing national advertising during TBO back in the fall. It showed that the unprecedented-for-an-anime Sunday night ratings victories really did drive its stock up. If we're measuring ad-dollar impact, the show could be in better shape than anyone knows.

At a guess, I'd say that Cartoon Network is trying to break out of the box that Adult Swim was in originally -- showing shows that cost virtually nothing at times when virtually no one was watching.

There's not much money in this kind of programming. What you want is bigger audiences with demographics that imply that the viewers have money to spend. Young adults with jobs but no house or kids tend to spend money like drunken sailors, and they also tend to stay up late. This implies that, with the right shows, Adult Swim can deliver up the kind of audience that advertisers dream of.

To make this work long-term, Adult Swim needs a really strong line-up, which they don't really have yet, I don't think. They probably can't maintain a strong lineup without original programming. There's only so far you can go if you rely solely on other people's leavings. At some point you have to do your own. Cartoon Network did this brilliantly with their kids' lineup when they introduced POWERPUFF GIRLS, DEXTER'S LABORATORY, SAMURAI JACK, etc. in rapid succession, instead of relying solely on ancient cartoons. Hasn't Cartoon Network upstaged Nickelodeon and become the dominant kids' channel? They want to do the same thing with Adult Swim.

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Originally posted by Penny Century quote: Originally posted by Zopwx2 Makes me kind of scared that the season 3 might not happen if they can't pay Ted Turner his million dollars back...... It's worth remembering the Pretty Big Deal around these parts when Cartoon Network started showing national advertising during TBO back in the fall. It showed that the unprecedented-for-an-anime Sunday night ratings victories really did drive its stock up. If we're measuring ad-dollar impact, the show could be in better shape than anyone knows.

Sure for new episodes. I don't know much about how TV or ratings work, but I heard the reruns of big o did worse and worse as time when on (as one might expect) but will they really invest in a whole 'nother season just for a quick jumpstart when they air new episodes?

I really don't know how advertising works. (it was worth repeating)

I sent a letter to Cartoon Network Programming last month requesting a third season of the Big O. Last week I received a postcard from Cartoon Network (postmarked April 5) in response to my letter. Here is the text (handwritten, no less) verbatim:

"Thank you for your interest in Big O. Unfortunately there are no more new episodes. But stay tuned for our other new shows coming soon! Keep watching!"

What could this mean? That there will be no more Big O period? Almighty God, steel my soldiers' hearts! I think that we're out of luck. But hey, we'll always have the highly confusing, deeply symbolic memories. Or tomatoes. Whatever.

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Originally posted by canegato "Thank you for your interest in Big O. Unfortunately there are no more new episodes. But stay tuned for our other new shows coming soon! Keep watching!" What could this mean? That there will be no more Big O period? Almighty God, steel my soldiers' hearts! I think that we're out of luck. But hey, we'll always have the highly confusing, deeply symbolic memories. Or tomatoes. Whatever.

It means what it says. There are no new episodes. We knew that already. The question is, will there be new episodes later, and, if so, when?

Real news is not released by networks on postcards; they make formal announcements and issue press releases.

From what I gather:

Making 13 new episodes of the show "the big o" was probably quite a gamble. They only ordered up 13 new episodes just to test the audience reaction before ordering more episodes. The writers not knowing if they would get the full show, had to settle for 13.

So they made act 26 interesting in a way that it seems like an ending but they could resume the story later.

Yet BigO is a show that grows on people, so it doesn't have that initial appeal to the casual viewer, but then the inconclusive ending turns off some people to continue watching reruns.

"I've watched it 3 times and I still don't get it" - average complaint.

Therefore my solution: More Episodes of big o.

(who cares if that explanation was convoluted, just give us season 3!)

Plus in future letters, we should state that we know there aren' t any new episodes, but that we would encourage and support the production of a season 3.

Some people like shows where they only have to watch them once and can understand everything that happened in the episode.

But I like the shows where you have to watch the episode at least twice to understand it. It's almost like poetry: the first read is only to familiarize yourself with the piece. After that the real fun can begin when you watch it again and disect everything.

There's an audience for this show, deffinatly.

I'm not worried. We'll get our 3rd season. Just a matter of time.



muchlove
-dork

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Originally posted by Dork Some people like shows where they only have to watch them once and can understand everything that happened in the episode. But I like the shows where you have to watch the episode at least twice to understand it. It's almost like poetry: the first read is only to familiarize yourself with the piece. After that the real fun can begin when you watch it again and disect everything. There's an audience for this show, deffinatly. I'm not worried. We'll get our 3rd season. Just a matter of time. muchlove -dork

Optimistic, aren't we? I am a little pessimistic. Not because their isn't a demand for a season 3, but because the writers/producers feels that they have reached their intended end of the story. Then again, I may be wrong.

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Originally posted by Tony quote: Originally posted by Dork Some people like shows where they only have to watch them once and can understand everything that happened in the episode. But I like the shows where you have to watch the episode at least twice to understand it. It's almost like poetry: the first read is only to familiarize yourself with the piece. After that the real fun can begin when you watch it again and disect everything. There's an audience for this show, deffinatly. I'm not worried. We'll get our 3rd season. Just a matter of time. muchlove -dork Optimistic, aren't we? I am a little pessimistic. Not because their isn't a demand for a season 3, but because the writers/producers feels that they have reached their intended end of the story. Then again, I may be wrong.

I don't know. I'm usually not so optimistic. But a third season of Big O makes too much sense for them not to do it so it doesn't make sense to worry about it.



-dork

Yeah, i really do not see how they cannot make another one. So many people want it so they cant really pass it up. Supply and Demand. I am quite confident that they will make aother

I totally agree. I've been watching the episodes, but suddenly Big O was canceled by Adult Swim recently. I hope they see the error of their ways by making a 3rd season.

It wasn't cancelled. It was taken off rotation.

there's part of one of my posts from another thread

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It's a very slim chance but 'Big O' going off rotation could be a prelude to a season three. Ratings wise it would be in Adult Swim's best interest to take Big O away for a couple (read: 6 /+) months before airing S3 to help maximize interest. Get us all good and desperate for Big O on TV, bring it back for one run (perhaps just a run of S2) and then air S3.

lalala. . .

it'll be back )


-dork

Might I mention that May is a "Sweeps" month
About television sweeps
This is one of those times when you see the most outrageous things on television. Second rate TV stations try to run decent movies. New episodes of shows come on. Tried and true things get rerun.
Program directors like to mess around with shows and when they air. It justifies their existence!

Yeah, but cartoon network (along with all the other stations) have likely had their May schedules planned and announced for months now. If there were going to be more Big O in may we'd know about it.

I doubt sincerely that Big O is currently being produced. You've got so many people involved in making something as big as a season of Big O that someone, overcome with the disire to tell someone (anyone) would have already spilled the beans. And nearly everone at Adult Swim would know and they're just the sort of people who can't keep a secret to save their lives. It's possible Big O is being concidered right now, they may even be working out the details of a contract. We likely wouldn't be hearing anything if they were working out the contract, it's so early in the game that if anyone with information were to tell anyone and eventually leak the information to the media it could damage the project's chance of being produced.

I wonder what act 27 would be called?

'Roger the Hologram'


lol

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'Roger the Hologram'

That's funny!

You are right of course about the planning of programming. I was just venting frustration toward one I worked with once *mumble,mumble*
When the ratings came in and she was disappointed things got moved around.
In any case, don't expect any real answers this week. Anybody whose anybody is at NAB in Las Vegas spending their expense accounts. NAB Convention
EDIT: Though as my husband pointed out , this is mostly for the engineering/geek type televsion people.

I just thought of somthing, maybe they are waiting to see how Big O does in other places like the UK.

Didn't it just recently air over there?

another wierd thing is that on the AS forums they stickied several FAQ threads for several shows including:

FLCL, Trigun, Inuyasha, Animatrix, Wolf;s Rain, and Big O.

But For some reason they Un-stickeyd the 10 page big o faq......

They also delete any threads about season 3 in the "show suggestions" forum.