Evangelion and Big O (EVAs vs. Bigs)

I could be wrong but since an AT field is a manefestation of will, damage too the AT field damages the pilot(nose bleeds and the like) . as such sufficient damage too an AT field would simply cause a brain hemorage in whoever is unlucky enough too be piloting the target eva . Personaly I dont think final stage is capable of doing this as it is apperantly dififult too aim(he missed Fau) and is an all or nothing weapon ...any of the evas would just dodge it (sad but true )

The only weapon capable if damaging the pilot of an eva in the manner described above (and there is only 1 from what i remember) are too cumberson too be effective . As much as i dont want too admit it the evangalions are far better combat machines(bio machines) than Bigs combineing the defence of the AT field with the Speed and manouverability of liveing muscle esentaly makes unbeatablle by anything purely mechanical (spacemounted superlazers/railguns/thermonuclear devises aside ...but those would stop a big too ..) and as cumbersome as the Bigs

of course the nature of the evas means they are difficule too produce . where as al you need too mae an army of bigs is materals and a factory , in the time it takes too make one eva you could have 50 of each big .because lets face it religious symbolism asit a Big is a machine


ofcourse i havent seen Evangaleon in its entirity so the stuff on AT fields is guesswork i got from reading previous posts on how their invulrnable but at the same time based on the will of the pilot

Well if it's a mass production eva vs a big, then im going to go with MPE, sense they can gain battle experience, regenerate, and have their lances.

unit 1 would do great against a big, i mean i honestly think it would be a cool fght. But evas can jump, are flexible, and when they go berserk it's a bitch to stop


both of these evas have s2 engines as well, so they don't need a power cord.

I think Megadeuces are more likely to win because they are more intelligent, have better defense, more firepower, and not all of them are slow. EVA's may be fast but they are very flimsy and rely more on just closerange fighting from what I've seen( I'm more of a Gundam and Big O fan than an NEVA fan).

Well, comparing them in SRWs, Big O would probably not be able to stop an EVA - EVAs in SRW are pretty agile, and their AT Field can block up to 4000 damage, not taking in account the EVA's Armor which helps it block even more. Big O only has a Beam Coating, which allows it to stop Beam attacks. Big O could potentially do enough damage (the height comparison picture is from an SRW fan. Big O season 1 was in SRWD, and EVA has been in SRWF Final, SRW Alpha, SRW MX, and SRW Alpha 3, so there is some to go off of.

I have a very simple answer to this question.

Whoever wins, we all lose.

If the Big wins, we get reset and HELLO AMNESIA!
If the Eva wins, the world ends and we all become goo. Or we just have some sort of nervous breakdown and go insane. Or it was all just a dream...

You know, the heck with it, GO BIG O! FOR THE WIN!

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Originally posted by Agent Paper I have a very simple answer to this question. Whoever wins, we all lose. If the Big wins, we get reset and HELLO AMNESIA! If the Eva wins, the world ends and we all become goo. Or we just have some sort of nervous breakdown and go insane. Or it was all just a dream... You know, the heck with it, GO BIG O! FOR THE WIN!

Well, when you put it like that...

That's rather a very interesting way of putting things in perspective. With Big O, we get neverending resets and amensia where we'll never know who we were or who we'll be, surrounded by mystery with "giant robots running amok".

Or with Neon Genesis Evangelion and we get the Third Impact, the destruction and ending of all existance because of a 14 year old's death wish, get turned to LCL goo, and become "one" being.

Yeah, I'm going with the Big O ending. Although the NGE ending sounds (is "interesting" the word?), I don't want my destiny in the hands of a kid like Shinji. I leave that to Big Venus thank you.

Oh, and by the way, I voted for Big O. I just thought it made more sense. It takes a lot of damage and can give out a lot of damage, its basically a robot so it doesn't feel any pain and the Evas have only five minutes once their cord becomes disconnected. I'm not getting into specific details (like Unit 01 becoming a god or Big Venus) but if it was straight up Big O, Duo, and Fau vs. Unit 00, 01, 02, then the Bigs would, no problem.
Peace.

So we all would rather trust out lives with Roger Smith than Shinji Ikari

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Originally posted by Xero-Hour So we all would rather trust out lives with Roger Smith than Shinju Ikari

Seeing as how Roger isn't a whiny little bitch....

I'd go with the Evas....more agility. True the Megadeus's have more armor and strength. But they lack regeneration capality...Big O can't regenerate its arm, Unit-01 and the harpies can. I'm going with the Evas. But I'm biased I'm a huge fan of the harpies!
The fight I want to see is the Beck Victory Deluxe versus Jet Alone. Which crappy robot will win? Odds are they'd both fall apart before they got near eachother.

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Originally posted by SEELE 08 quote: Originally posted by Xero-Hour So we all would rather trust out lives with Roger Smith than Shinju Ikari Seeing as how Roger isn't a whiny little bitch.... I'd go with the Evas....more agility. True the Megadeus's have more armor and strength. But they lack regeneration capality...Big O can't regenerate its arm, Unit-01 and the harpies can. I'm going with the Evas. But I'm biased I'm a huge fan of the harpies! The fight I want to see is the Beck Victory Deluxe versus Jet Alone. Which crappy robot will win? Odds are they'd both fall apart before they got near eachother.

Yes but whe nthe dust settled you would see Beck scrambling atop the rubble of Jet Alone too claim victory

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Originally posted by Xero-Hour quote: Originally posted by SEELE 08 quote: Originally posted by Xero-Hour So we all would rather trust out lives with Roger Smith than Shinju Ikari Seeing as how Roger isn't a whiny little bitch.... I'd go with the Evas....more agility. True the Megadeus's have more armor and strength. But they lack regeneration capality...Big O can't regenerate its arm, Unit-01 and the harpies can. I'm going with the Evas. But I'm biased I'm a huge fan of the harpies! The fight I want to see is the Beck Victory Deluxe versus Jet Alone. Which crappy robot will win? Odds are they'd both fall apart before they got near eachother. Yes but whe nthe dust settled you would see Beck scrambling atop the rubble of Jet Alone too claim victory

Then Dastun and the MP will capture him again.

This thread is retarded.

Eva wins, period. There's no way around it. No weapon in Big O is powerful enough to penetrate the AT Field. Besides, there are so many inconsistencies in the EXACT power of the weapons in Big O, that its hard to determine just how destructive they are!

Chromebuster: When used in Acts 3, 5, and 12, this thing is just the bee's knees... However, it barely manages to crack the hull of Carnot... I find it hard to believe that it's some all-powerful destructobeam.

Missile Party: These missiles tear Archetype a new one, but ONLY manage to destroy Constanze's arms in Act 6, and by episode 12, are only good for burning away the cloth disguise of Big Duo, without doing damage to Big Duo itself...

However, when Big Duo returns, suddenly the Missile Party is able to blast away a good chunk of armor? Wtf?

Piston Arms: These things are awfully good at wrecking stuff, but things start to get a little whack in Act 14... you know... when Big O's punches only manage to dent Fouche and Robspierre. Hell, Carnot takes TWO Piston Punches AND a Chromebuster, and still keeps trucking. Meanwhile, when the three Foreign Megadei return as Bonaparte, Big O lands several Piston Punches, that don't even scratch Bonaparte. However, one punch from Big Fau goes RIGHT THROUGH the damn thing... Don't even get me started on what happens in Day of the Advent... I hate that episode and I will disembowl you.

Personally, it seems stupid to have Big Fau be superior to Big O on land... I mean, the Bigs were constructed as a joint-strike operation for Air, Land, and Sea superiority... you'd expect each Big to be the master of its domain...

Anchor Storm: I hate this attack. It's so damn stupid. No way in HELL could all those chains fit inside of Big O, much less have the penetration power to blast right through the hulls of the three Foreign Megadei....

You know, the same hulls that had only moments before, resisted chromebusters and piston punches...

Furthermore, each of those chains has to have the tensile strength to sustain the immense weight of Big O. It bothers me that Eye Lasers, Big Fau's fisticuffs, and HOLY sh**: ~BECK VICTORY DELUXE~ could break them so easily.


Also, we know that Big Fau's Tentacle Lasers are more powerful than even Big O's Chromebuster... which seems pretty lame, if you ask me. The Chromebuster has its own start-up animation, for God's sake!

However, the Tentacle Beams melted Bonaparte with one shot... Whereas a previous Chromebuster had only managed to crack the hull..


These weapons are unreliable and never really defined in terms of power.




Now, what do we know about Evas?


Progressive Knives: These weapons DO NOT emit their own AT-Fields, contrary to what many people believe... they're just energized blades that happen to be extremely sharp. Any time an Eva attacks an Angel with a Prog Knife, the Eva neutralizes the Angel's AT-Field, and then starts stabbing.

AT-Fields: I can do anything and can never be killed. A cheap cop out, rightly so... but it is power nonetheless. Enough said.

Berserker: Oh sh**. You're dead?

Eva Unit 00, possibly the weakest of all Evangelions (without its left arm, may I add), managed to survive a point-blank N2 Mine detonation. That's the equivalent of a Nuclear Explosion, without the radiation; all thanks to its AT-Field. An explosion of that magnitude would likely destroy, if not completely annihilate a robot like Big O.

Not to mention that Eva Unit 2 catches an immensely huge cruise missile WITH ITS FACE.

I don't care what kind of power Big O might possess. You catch a mile-long missile WITH YOUR FACE, AND YOU WIN FOREVER, DAMN IT.


(ALSO: DO NOT MENTION ACT 16... THAT EPISODE WAS WRITTEN WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE OF PHYSICS WHATSOEVER. DID I MENTION I HATE IT?)



So there you go. Enough of this ridiculous debate. Eva wins. Sorry fanboys.

You will hate me for this, but I must say something.

Dude. They're cartoons. Lighten up.

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Originally posted by Randolph You will hate me for this, but I must say something. Dude. They're cartoons. Lighten up.

*pulls out Mateba Revolver*

You think they're just cartoons?

*aims and pulls the trigger*

Wait... they're not real!?

But in all seriousness, it's fun to argue something that has no really solid ground. That's why discuss nonsensical topics!

True, true indeed. We should discuss them.
But, it seriously gets to me when people start showing actual
fervor over the subject. Seriously, sirs. They ARE cartoons.
They exist for, nothing more nor less, than entertainment purposes only.

You dont' want to know how many times I've had that discussion at the animenation forums. Some of the people over there see Hideaki Anno as a god of anime. They look for answers in the tiniest details. Like the shape of the Lance of Longinus, or one guy today posted about how he found I Ching patterns in a tarp. They need to watch something other than Eva.

I didn't liek the ending of either show.

Gundam FTW.

I seriously think this topic is stupid and the senseless debate is really getting annoying. So rather than just SAYING THAT, I'll put it out there in terms that people should understand.

Here's an obvious one, that's probably already been mentioned. Four main Evas and Four main Bigs. Eva-01 and Big O, Eva-02 and Big Dou, Eva-00 and Big Fau (both prone to go beserk I might add), and Eva-04 and Big Venus.

Also Allen Gabriel and Keel Lorenz, the lovely happy fun good cyborgs. Gee two more fun guys too hang with I couldn't think of.

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Originally posted by Spoderman I seriously think this topic is stupid and the senseless debate is really getting annoying. So rather than just SAYING THAT, I'll put it out there in terms that people should understand.

I have to say something again. Clearly I didn't make my point.

The shows you are so adamant about the rulesets of are fictional.
They are not real. They take place in a fictional, cartoon world
with a fantasy setting. They do not obey Hard Science. They
barely even obey Science Fiction.

When contesting an EVA gainst a Big, the Big should win by this logic.
Why? Because a Big is more likely to even exist compared to an EVA.
If we gauge the quality of such a thing by its obedience to the laws of
physics-- when it has no cause to do so-- we are being foolish.

If even this makes no point to you, I can only assume you are already too
bigoted to be reasoned with. You are taking this far too seriously.
That is not healthy. They are bloody TV shows. Enjoy them.
Laugh at them. Cry at them. Dance to their music, whatever.
But never try to accept them or prove them as fact. That is just stupid.

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Originally posted by Randolph They are bloody TV shows. Enjoy them. Laugh at them. Cry at them. Dance to their music, whatever.

Actually, I do all four simultaneously.