Evangelion and Big O (EVAs vs. Bigs)

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Originally posted by Wingnut quote: Originally posted by JetBlack I was reading about the Behemoth in another thread and was wondering what would win in a fight an Eva or the Behemoth? Considering how fast it was destoryed in the series, an EVA wouldn't even have to blink to take it out.

But if you remeber, a large peice of stage lighting fell on it after Big Duo Inferno crashed into the lighting...

There is a debate, is big o 30 meters or 200 ft:

30 meters: http://members.cox.net/zopwx/bigoheight.JPG

200ft: http://members.cox.net/zopwx/bigoheight2.JPG

I would have to say 200 ft because a coralander from G Gundam would have to fit in the 200 ft one's foot and a corelander is about the same size as a car. But if it were the 30 meter one it wouldnt fit in its foot!

Like I said before in another thread, Big O seemed to mysteriously grown between seasons. There was no question that Big O was 30m in season 1, but somehow something got mistranslated and the things the writers have Big O do in season 2 make the height 200ft. It's rediculous.

The Big O is around 1 metric year (30,000.234 ounces) tall.

Remember how big the pilot is in relation to the entry plug and the relation of size between the plug and the EVA unit. Then remember how miniscule the Big's cockpit looked when exposed. Big O is clearly....bigger.

Okay, No offense to any of you (as antagonistic as the below post may seem, I geninely like the posters here) but this is the most biased thread I’ve seen in months.

Most of you don’t have the authority to say if Big O could defeat Evangelion, because you haven’t seen Evangelion. Despite this, I’m sure there is a great deal of you who voted without this authority, because your fandom distorts your logic. Since you’re all Big O fans, you’re all going to vote for Big O on this despite any real proof to back up your thesis. I’m surprised the current ratio is as balanced as it is.

no offense, Big Chow, but you seem to be an example of when fandom goes awkward, to go so far as to insult the characters in Evangelion for no apparent reason:

“The particulars would depend on where the fight took place.

Tokyo 3- The Eva would dance around and do flips while buildings popped up to give it guns and stuff. The scenery would shoot the Big O. Eventually Big O would use his laser beams to cut the umbilical cable and pwn the Eva. Then NERV would drop a dozen N2 bombs on the Big O and turn it into slag.

Paradigm City- Without the backup from NERV or a power cable, the Eva would dick around for five minutes: do some cartwheels, poke the Big O with a progressive blade and then collapse. Big O would then marinade it with it's guns and a chromebuster shot and tenderize it with some piston punches before roasting it with a twin Big Thunder attack.

Without the robots?

Roger Smith vs. Shinji: No contest, Shinji would look at Roger with his slick suit and perfect posture and jump off a bridge in one of his pissy fits of self loathing.

Roger Smith vs. Asuka: Asuka would hit on Roger who would dismiss her for being underage and put her under Angel's tutalage.

Roger Smith vs. Rei: After briefly comparing the deadpan natures of Rei and Dorothy he would remember that clone or no she's fourteen. From that point Allen Gabriel would probably show up and decide that breaking clones is a lot more fun than breaking androids.”

It’s lovely that you wish to desensitize the story of Evangelion by portraying Shinji as an emo kid, Asuka as a floozy, and Rei as a fragile flower, but it’s obvious that you know absolutely nothing about Evangelion from this post, friend. First of all, to go off on a tangent here, if your mother was dead, your father didn’t care about you, and you were forced to pilot a monstrous pain-mecha, you’d be just as angsty as Shinji is. Second of all, Asuka would never hit on ANYBODY, much less Roger. That’s the stuff of bad fanfic. Asuka had a crush on Kaji, but that was in the manga. Bringing pedophilia and ridiculous insults into a debate only makes you look stupid. You have a good sense of humor, though, I'll say that much.

And then we have this tidbit of wisdom:

“Yea, whatever Big V has that erases everything would pretty much dominate in any fight. If I lived in Big O world I would use my unimaginable sexyness to seduce Angel into letting me take control of Big V, and then... Look out everybody! “

Big Venus can only erase things in Paradigm City, and even then she can only erase things FROM Paradigm City. If you walked into Paradigm City from reality one day, Big Venus would not be able to do anything at all to you. It’s not going to do anything to the Evangelion, either. Furthermore, you throw dirt on Angel’s character by saying you could seduce her.

And then we have this:

“i think sence a Big is kinda alive but is a robot, and the eva's i'm pretty shure are living things, he could just fall on it and kill it. let alone piston punching it's freken face off.”

I shouldn’t even comment on this, but allow me to compare it to the common ramblings of a rabid DBZ fan: “Goku wud easily be able to kill Big O!!11!1! He just has to do the kamehameha and it’s done.!”

Or how about the ramblings of a rabid WWF fan: “Hulk Hogan would take out Big O with the elbow drop! he has the power of HULKAMANIA! He’ll HULK up!”

I know your intentions are good. You want to make Big O, obviously one of your favorite robots, look more powerful but backing it up with a claim. However, that claim is invalid, because it is completely misinformed. “Falling” on Evangelion would do nothing to it, and anybody who’s seen the entire anime would know that. Furthermore, the Piston Punch would do nothing to its AT field, and even in the completely hypothetical scenario in which he didn’t have it, Big O doesn’t have the mass or the flexibility to hold Evangelion down. Furthermore, anybody can tell you that the Evangelion is a robot. I don’t see why a Big is “kinda alive” but is a robot, while the Evangelion is not a robot but a living thing. You’re using hypocritical logic here.

There is nothing wrong with being a fan of a series which has an protagonist weaker than a protagonist from another show. I’ve been watching anime since I could read, and Guts from Berserk, The Guyver, and Jury from Revolutionary Girl Utena are some of my favorite characters. Despite this, every single one of them would be wiped out in an instant by one shot from Sailor Saturn. Sailor friggin’ Saturn. Big O is the same: it is an awesome mecha, but just because it’s not a destroyer of universes doesn’t make it weak or even less cool.

Sin, Vegnagun, Diamond WEAPON, Unicron, Macross, Omega from Final Fantasy Unlimited, Trypticon, Metroplex, Rahxephon, The Trident, The Jet-Alone, Fortress Maximus and Scorpinok are all bigger than Big O. With the way that you are insulting Evangelion because he’s supposedly weaker than Big O, I should absolutely despise the guy because I know of so many larger and arguably stronger mecha. But I’m still a fan of it, and I don’t need to defend my decision. Neither should the rest of you.

Fact: Evangelion has an impenetrable AT field, and since that AT field is composed of pure consciousness, Big O can not defeat it because he has no way of penetrating consciousness. Not even the Final Stage Cannon would have a chance. Let me repeat myself: the AT field is invincible. However, if Big O chucked the Lance of Longinus at Evangelion, which I have no idea how he would get in Paradigm City OR Tokyo-3, it would penetrate the field. Furthermore, if Evangelion has his S2 engine, then power cables do absolutely nothing. Also, that cable’s not as fragile as you think it is, so Big O would have to make a conscious effort to cut it, leaving enough time to give Evangelion more than enough time to get a hit in.

Furthermore, if the 18th impact hit, Roger Smith would be absorbed in it, just like Alex Rosewater and Beck. Roger Smith is not immune to that so he would combust into LCL just like every other human in the world, whether he’s the dominuus (sp) or not. Furthermore, Evangelion Unit 1 is a GOD. Therefore, only a god-slaying mecha (another Evangelion, or something like Fei’s mecha, Xenogears) can defeat it. Also, the things Evangelion fights are angels. OLD TESTAMENT angels. If you recall, Lucifer himself was an Old Testament angel, and Evangelion mows them down left and right as early as episode 1.

Without an AT Field, the S2 engine, or the ability to go berserk, Big O would have a chance against Eva, but keep in mind that that puts a 65% handicap on Evangelion’s abilities. That hypothetical situation only makes it so Big O is fighting HALF an Evangelion. Still, however, it would be a hard fight, because Progressive Knives (and progressive Katanas, for that matter) cut through things like butter. Big O’s armor can take it for a while, but eventually he’s going to give in. Evangelion has more mass and power than Big O, so there’s virtually no way to get around it. Big Duo would have a chance, because he can fly, but a single blast from the Positron cannon would take it down.

I'll continue this in a second post.

Now for a question and answer session:

“I can't see the AT field being a problem. My theory: "Cast In The Name Of God, Ye Not Guilty" pops up on screen, AT Field deactivates. Or something like that.”

Wrong. AT Fields are pure consciousness, not some divine gift. You cannot turn it off. The reason why everybody exploded into LCL at the end of Evangelion is because their AT Fields were turned off. Actually, unless Roger Smith is a cyborg, he has an AT field too. (All humans and angels have AT fields, but the ones in humans are so weak that all they do is seperate the consciousness of one person from another.)

“Another thing: Eva's feel pain, and that pain is transfered to the pilot. The Big O and Roger, more or less, don't suffer from that either. So a quick Big O piston punch to the crotch would put Eva Unit One out of commission.”

You’re deliberately ignoring the AT field to make your point seem more versatile. First of all, the pain the Evangelion feels is numbed. Second of all, the Evangelion is FEMALE (I kid you not, it has the soul of Shinji’s mother in it) so a kick to to the crotch would do absolutely nothing. Third of all, Asuka had all of her arms and legs ripped off, but she still managed to get through it. And having your arm ripped off hurts worse than being crotched, dude.

“An AT field may only be stopped by other At fields or the Lance dealio, but who is to say that Big O's red sphere shield is not equivalant to an AT field?”

The AT field would cancel out the sphere shield. When the AT field is projected outwards, it deflects or stops everything. That’s because, like I said, Big O cannot penetrate somebody’s soul. Your AT field is your soul. They go hand in hand.

“Of course, all of the above does not negate the possibility that Big Venus could simply negate their reality. Whatever Big Venus' Reality Manipulation or Reset Generator is, it's not conventional. “

First of all, when did this become Evangelion versus Big VENUS? Second of all, the reason why Big Venus can rewrite reality is because it seems that it’s all going on in Angel’s head. Angel didn’t create Evangelion, so it has no effect.

“I would have to say 200 ft because a coralander from G Gundam would have to fit in the 200 ft one's foot and a corelander is about the same size as a car. But if it were the 30 meter one it wouldnt fit in its foot!”

That makes no sense. What the heck are you talking about? When did G Gundam come into this discussion?

Do you realize how tall 30 meters is? Patlabors only reach up to about 5-7 meters. Big O is over three times the size of a labor.

Furthermore, if the creators claim that Big O is 30 meters tall, it IS thirty meters tall. There’s no discussion. If you disagree, then I’ll buy you a plane ticket to Japan just to see the hilarity of you going up to the creators and telling them that they are wrong about their own creation. Go ahead.

This may seem odd to you, but I am not an Evangelion fan. I appreciate the series, but I appreciate Big O, too, and I appreciate Cannon God Exaxxion too. I LOVE Big O, but to see you all insulting Evangelion for no apparent reason is ridiculous. If you want to diss something, diss something relatively boring. Furthermore, Big O is not the strongest thing ever conceived.

You should all get some perspective. Watch the entire Evangelion series (which is being rereleased so you’re just in time) and enjoy it. Then watch Patlabor, then watch Bubblegum Crisis, then watch Pokemon, then watch Berserk, then watch Robotech, then watch Gobots. Play Final Fantasy 7 and observe what Ruby Weapon can do. The world does not begin and end with Big O.

The reason why I posted this is because it mirrors the Star Wars junkies who say that Luke Skywalker can beat everything because he has the force, or the Nintendorks who adamantly stick to their beliefs that Link is stronger than Megaman X because he has the Triforce. This stuff only sours the mood and its ridiculous.

Does posting in this thread make me a hypocrite? No, because I gave an analysis of the situation based on legimate facts provided to me by both Big O and Evangelion, both of which I’ve seen every episode of multiple times. Furthermore, I tried to avoid the mud-slinging that is so prominent in this thread.

So, in conclusion, don’t let your fandom skew your reasoning, or this board wil become IGN forums. Thank you for your time.

PS: SCHWARZVALD AND ALAN GABRIEL RULE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I have to agree with you on this one, except for the last part. It is refered to several times that the Bigs are "the power of god weilded by man." so the religous comparesons become an entirely different topic alltogether.
Fight result: Big O would put up a good fight but ultimately lose to an AT field equipped EVA.

If there would be a fight at all. Roger Smith being who he is could likely negotiate his way out of haveing to fight an EVA in Big O.

Eva: reasons why:

1: One word: B-E-R-S-E-R-K-E-R

2: Height

3: A.T. Field

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Originally posted by Relatively Proportional O “Of course, all of the above does not negate the possibility that Big Venus could simply negate their reality. Whatever Big Venus' Reality Manipulation or Reset Generator is, it's not conventional. “ First of all, when did this become Evangelion versus Big VENUS? Second of all, the reason why Big Venus can rewrite reality is because it seems that it’s all going on in Angel’s head. Angel didn’t create Evangelion, so it has no effect.

With all due respect your theory of why Big Venus can rewrite reality is just a theory. The mechanism behind its capabilities is not explicity stated, so for you to declare it has no effect on Evangelion is a presumption on your part. There is nothing to indicate in the series that it would only be limited to Paradigm City, or that everything we've seen is clearly just in Angel's imagination. There are a number of other explanations which are just as valid.

Second, Big Venus was mentioned because the thread is pitting elements of the shows against each other, and Big Venus is an element of the show.

Personally, I don't think the other megadeuses would triumph over an Eva due to the reasons you've mentioned. But your attempts to invalidate the possiblity of a victory by Big Venus are flawed in their reasoning.

EDIT: Correction - The thread was pitting Bigs and Eva's against each other, and Big Venus is a Big, so she's a valid entry.

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Originally posted by das_wanderen Eva: reasons why: 1: One word: B-E-R-S-E-R-K-E-R 2: Height 3: A.T. Field

Sorry only the AT field applies. We have reciently concluded that there is not a large enough size difference between an Big and an EVA to make all that much of a difference. Big O also survived and countered effectively the wild and fast moves of Galinda in Act 15.

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Origanally posted by Relatively Proportional O Most of you don’t have the authority to say if Big O could defeat Evangelion, because you haven’t seen Evangelion. Despite this, I’m sure there is a great deal of you who voted without this authority, because your fandom distorts your logic. Since you’re all Big O fans, you’re all going to vote for Big O on this despite any real proof to back up your thesis. I’m surprised the current ratio is as balanced as it is.

What gives you the right to say we dont have the authority to say if Big O could could defeat Evangelion? You dont own the rights to Big O or Neon Genesis Evangelion I believe.

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Origanally posted by Relatively Proportional O And then we have this tidbit of wisdom: “Yea, whatever Big V has that erases everything would pretty much dominate in any fight. If I lived in Big O world I would use my unimaginable sexyness to seduce Angel into letting me take control of Big V, and then... Look out everybody! “ Big Venus can only erase things in Paradigm City, and even then she can only erase things FROM Paradigm City. If you walked into Paradigm City from reality one day, Big Venus would not be able to do anything at all to you. It’s not going to do anything to the Evangelion, either. Furthermore, you throw dirt on Angel’s character by saying you could seduce her.

Nobody knows the full extent of Big Venus's powers so they may or may not work out side of Paradigm City and/or work on things that are not from Paradigm City. (Also you should refer to the Big Venus as an "it" instead of a "she" because it has no gender technicly and if it does only the people who created Big O would know).

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Origanally posted by Relatively Proportional O Fact: Evangelion has an impenetrable AT field, and since that AT field is composed of pure consciousness, Big O can not defeat it because he has no way of penetrating consciousness. Not even the Final Stage Cannon would have a chance. Let me repeat myself: the AT field is invincible. However, if Big O chucked the Lance of Longinus at Evangelion, which I have no idea how he would get in Paradigm City OR Tokyo-3, it would penetrate the field. Furthermore, if Evangelion has his S2 engine, then power cables do absolutely nothing. Also, that cable’s not as fragile as you think it is, so Big O would have to make a conscious effort to cut it, leaving enough time to give Evangelion more than enough time to get a hit in.

If you realy have been paying attention to Evangelion you would know that extremely powerful weapons can also peirce an At-field ie: Big O's Cromebuster cannon (it may or may not be strong enough).

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Origanally posted by Relatively Proportional O“An AT field may only be stopped by other At fields or the Lance dealio, but who is to say that Big O's red sphere shield is not equivalant to an AT field?” The AT field would cancel out the sphere shield. When the AT field is projected outwards, it deflects or stops everything. That’s because, like I said, Big O cannot penetrate somebody’s soul. Your AT field is your soul. They go hand in hand.

You do not know if Big O's shield is equal to or stronger that an At field know body except the creators do, we only speculate so you cant exactly say that because you dont know if thats true.

Also a reason I think that Big O would win is because who ever is in control of Big Venus obviously has the power to bend reality to an infinte extent and would probably favor Big O and would make it so Big O would win.

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Personally, I don't think the other megadeuses would triumph over an Eva due to the reasons you've mentioned. But your attempts to invalidate the possiblity of a victory by Big Venus are flawed in their reasoning. EDIT: Correction - The thread was pitting Bigs and Eva's against each other, and Big Venus is a Big, so she's a valid entry.

While I understand that, I was trying to validate the weapon for this argument by putting it on the same level as a popular theory. As it is, Big Venus' abilities are still an unknown, so to use them as a factor against Eva is an even bigger presumption than my own.

Let's say that you magically walk into Paradigm City somehow, and Big Venus touches you. Are you going to be reset back to the beginning? No, because you weren't there in the beginning, you just walked in at halftime. Since you came in from another universe and Big Venus shows no signs of being transdimensional but rather a puppetmaster of her own dimension, "reset" should have no effect on you. It simply won't work. At the most, the only thing Big Venus will do is send you back to your own dimension. (Of course, if it fires its lasers at you or steps on you, that's a different story, but we're focusing primarily on the "reset" element here.) Evangelion is from another dimension, therefore he is exempt from that whole ordeal. Furthermore, if Big O is a "tool of God" then by that logic Evangelion should be able to control him, because Evangelion is God (Although, I'm beginning to lean more and more towards calling it a "Goddess" for obvious reasons.) But we're not going so literally with metaphors in this situation.

I present that thesis in regards to the possibility that a theory I don't necessarily agree with (that being that Angel is NOT making everything in Big O short of the ending happen) turns out to be true. And in truth, that scenario is the only way that Evangelion could fight Big O. If it all happened in Angel's imagination, Angel would have to will Evangelion into her mind, and since she'd be writing the story as she went along, she could very easily make Big O beat Evangelion. It would be a grossly inaccurate version of Evangelion for that to happen (not unlike Mothra changing size between her own movie and Godzilla vs Mothra) but since it is her imagination, she could do whatever she wanted in it. She could make the AD police rise up out of the ground and destroy Big O with Navajo Beef Stew if it's happening in her head.

Obviously the terms of the fight between Big Venus and Evangelion change depending on your theory of Big O. Your terms are slightly different from mine, so you have a different outlook on Big Venus. I contend that Big Venus can only do tricks on her own turf, which would mean the most she'd be able to do is expel Eva from Paradigm which isn't a victory at all.

As a matter of fact, that brings in another factor in regards to a Big Venus/Evangelion fight. Suppose that Big Venus' reset function DID work on Evangelion (which is still a logical contradiction if we go by what I said above.) Evangelion gets sent back to Episode 1 of Neon Genesis Evangelion. Does that even count as a victory? If I challenge you to a duel and you come to Illinois to fight me, and my buddies jump you, throw you in a truck, and drive you back to where you started, did I win the duel?

If Big Venus was stripped of her "reset" function (which is probably about as easy as removing Evangelion's AT field) there's still no solid proof that states Big Venus would win. The only thing we've seen her do is shoot a few lasers in a flashback, and those lasers didn't look all that impressive, nor can we be sure that they weren't just an extension of her reset function. If anything, it'd turn out the same way as Big O versus Eva Unit 1.

Of course, if you can refute me (and I'd be delighted if you found a way to) go right ahead. I'm relatively open-minded to everything except for totalitarianism and Nintendo.

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Origanally posted by Relatively Proportional O Obviously the terms of the fight between Big Venus and Evangelion change depending on your theory of Big O. Your terms are slightly different from mine, so you have a different outlook on Big Venus. I contend that Big Venus can only do tricks on her own turf, which would mean the most she'd be able to do is expel Eva from Paradigm which isn't a victory at all. As a matter of fact, that brings in another factor in regards to a Big Venus/Evangelion fight. Suppose that Big Venus' reset function DID work on Evangelion (which is still a logical contradiction if we go by what I said above.) Evangelion gets sent back to Episode 1 of Neon Genesis Evangelion. Does that even count as a victory? If I challenge you to a duel and you come to Illinois to fight me, and my buddies jump you, throw you in a truck, and drive you back to where you started, did I win the duel? If Big Venus was stripped of her "reset" function (which is probably about as easy as removing Evangelion's AT field) there's still no solid proof that states Big Venus would win. The only thing we've seen her do is shoot a few lasers in a flashback, and those lasers didn't look all that impressive, nor can we be sure that they weren't just an extension of her reset function. If anything, it'd turn out the same way as Big O versus Eva Unit 1. Of course, if you can refute me (and I'd be delighted if you found a way to) go right ahead. I'm relatively open-minded to everything except for totalitarianism and Nintendo.

Well lets say to make it fair Big Venus was stripped of its "reset ability" and Eva was stripped of its At-field. I personaly think that Big Venus would probably defeat the Eva because a pistion punch would probably hurt a lot (I wonder if its pistions even work) and it has those beams that come from its mouth and I think that it might have the same weapons as Big O. So an Eva would have a tuff time, and going burserk doesnt exactly help the pilot concentrate. Also an Eva's weapons are pretty limited. So I think that Big Venus would uterly destroy Eva unit 01! And if it has its S2 engine that will only make it more complicated for Big Venus but I still think it would win.

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Originally posted by JetBlack What gives you the right to say we dont have the authority to say if Big O could could defeat Evangelion? You dont own the rights to Big O or Neon Genesis Evangelion I believe.

You don't have the authority if you haven't seen Evangelion. It has nothing to do with copyrights. It's about common sense. That's like you saying that Sword of Vermillion is a bad video game, even though you probably never played it (and if you have, my apologies)

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Nobody knows the full extent of Big Venus's powers so they may or may not work out side of Paradigm City and/or work on things that are not from Paradigm City. (Also you should refer to the Big Venus as an "it" instead of a "she" because it has no gender technicly and if it does only the people who created Big O would know).

Pronouns are a luxury, not a necessity. There's a reason many languages lack them. Furthermore, the entirety of Paradigm City is reset by Big Venus, though that alcove-type area where Angel is is completely unaffected. Obviously your theory on Big O is different from mine but there was never any proof that Big Venus could affect other dimensions. When I can't remember what happened forty years ago I'll give your theory more support (unless I can't remember what happened forty years ago for the default reason, which is senility)

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If you realy have been paying attention to Evangelion you would know that extremely powerful weapons can also peirce an At-field ie: Big O's Cromebuster cannon (it may or may not be strong enough).

*Buzzer sound* Incorrect. Two things can pierce an AT field: 1)Another AT Field, or 2) The Lance of Longinus (Which Big O doesn't have.) An example of this dynamic occured when Evangelion fought the Trident. The Trident unleashed a plethora of artillery on Shinji, and every bullet, missile and burrito bounced off the AT field. The Lance of Longinus may be that "extremely powerful weapon" you are referring to, but that just happens to be the same weapon the soldier Longinus stabbed Jesus with on the crucifix (or at least an updated version of it) so you can't compare it to the chromebuster cannon. You are not going to win this argument by writing "Chromebuster Cannon" a billion times. I can write "Big Mac" a billion times but the only way it's going to get me a real big mac is out of pity.

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You do not know if Big O's shield is equal to or stronger that an At field know body except the creators do, we only speculate so you cant exactly say that because you dont know if thats true.

That's ridiculous. Big O's shield is not a soul, and if it was, then it would be a blatant ripoff of the AT field. Furthermore, if the shield WAS capable of penetrating souls (And I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how that is possible, I think every religious leader on the planet would disagree with you on that aspect) then everybody nearby would have their souls uprooted from their body (which would suggest these souls either being put into the wrong body when the shield subsided or all the souls merging together ala the 3rd impact, if not sending them all straight to the afterlife right then and there, leaving shells behind.) This doesn't happen. Nobody even comments that they "felt weird" after the shield appeared, therefore it cannot penetrate souls. And I feel ridiculous even refuting that idea.

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Also a reason I think that Big O would win is because who ever is in control of Big Venus obviously has the power to bend reality to an infinte extent and would probably favor Big O and would make it so Big O would win.

Oh, right. So now this is a two-on-one fight, and Big Venus is Big O's FRIEND now. Which is why they got in a huge fight in the last episode of Big O. And you have absolutely no proof that Big Venus can "bend reality" to an infinite extent (it doesn't bend reality at all, it merely resets Paradigm City if the ending to the last episode is any indication) So this is another claim that doesn't hold water.

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Well lets say to make it fair Big Venus was stripped of its "reset ability" and Eva was stripped of its At-field. I personaly think that Big Venus would probably defeat the Eva because a pistion punch would probably hurt a lot (I wonder if its pistions even work) and it has those beams that come from its mouth and I think that it might have the same weapons as Big O. So an Eva would have a tuff time, and going burserk doesnt exactly help the pilot concentrate. Also an Eva's weapons are pretty limited. So I think that Big Venus would uterly destroy Eva unit 01! And if it has its S2 engine that will only make it more complicated for Big Venus but I still think it would win.

1. You cannot strip any living thing of its soul. The AT field is a SOUL.

2. There is no proof that Big Venus even HAS a piston punch, and I already refuted Big O's ability to pull off the move.

3. We are not sure if Big Venus has Big O's weaponry. Either way, Angel doesn't have Dorothy, so the Final Stage Cannon shouldn't be able to work.

4. Going berserk is like the strongest, most powerful autopilot you can find. The pilot doesn't NEED to concentrate (athough I don't see why he would have anything else on his mind if his Eva went berserk)

5. Big Venus could not "Utterly Destroy Eva Unit 01." Even if Big Venus DID win, he'd have a tough time.

...WHO THE HELL CARES!? Both of the sides, especially RPO, are effectively being spoiled brats. Noticing RPOs regdate, I'd say he was trolling and generally being a flaming idiot. Time to call Krang.

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Origanally posted by Relatively Proportional Oquote: You do not know if Big O's shield is equal to or stronger that an At field know body except the creators do, we only speculate so you cant exactly say that because you dont know if thats true. That's ridiculous. Big O's shield is not a soul, and if it was, then it would be a blatant ripoff of the AT field. Furthermore, if the shield WAS capable of penetrating souls (And I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how that is possible, I think every religious leader on the planet would disagree with you on that aspect) then everybody nearby would have their souls uprooted from their body (which would suggest these souls either being put into the wrong body when the shield subsided or all the souls merging together ala the 3rd impact, if not sending them all straight to the afterlife right then and there, leaving shells behind.) This doesn't happen. Nobody even comments that they "felt weird" after the shield appeared, therefore it cannot penetrate souls. And I feel ridiculous even refuting that idea.

Because they are called instruments of God I think that they could penetrate an AT field because God has instucted them to do what ever there pupose is and if there purpose were to fight the Evas I guess they could do that with out being effected.

And could there be more then one God? There is more than one Eva and Evas are Gods right? So that doesnt make sense.

And if a Big had the Lance of Longinus then any Eva would be dead and if it were flipped around the lance wouldnt have the same effect on a Big.

Oh enough of this. This argument is pointless, all points are moot, the mechas would never meet outside of a cross RP or a game like SRW.