Speaking Of Dead Dorothy

Yes they have a curious lack of curiosity it seems.

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Originally posted by R Trusedale quote: Originally posted by Mr. Peabody quote: Originally posted by Bentar For what it's worth Penny, I have always chosen to believe an AI as advanced as Dorothy's would have a soul, irregardless of R Trusedale's explanation - simply because I want to believe. Only God knows for sure. Well, they say God is in the details! Isn't it "the devil is in the details"?

They're interchangable, Truesdale. It depends whether or not you approve of a mysterious turn of events.

Well I tell all of you this in my opinion , Dorothy is in love with Roger she even said it , so she would do what ever it takes to aid at Rogers Need . So all of you are right she could have a Soul inside her Mechanical Body .I was even mindboggled when she woke up from her Eternal slumber (Death) . This seems to be very similar to the Scenario of "Metropolis" (SPoiler) Were Tima is already lost her memories and feelings for Kenichi ,that scene is near the Ending of the Movie , she is then linked to the Computer for World Domination, Kenichi pulls her out of all the Extension Plugs , to try and revive her memories back ,but at the Ending where she falls from the Skyscraper she then she turns back to normal .if you watch the Ending you'll know what I mean

Lots of people have souls, and leave lovers behind when they die, but very few come back from the dead to save them. You're looking at two miracles here, not one.

In episode four Dorothy says that Wayneright was hoping bring his dead daughter back to life when he built her. Perhaps Dorothy does somehow have the soul of her original.

But having a soul doesn't convey some mystical power to come back from the dead. Or the world would be a very different place. As Roger says, "Eternal sleep means eternal!" Apparently Dorothy doesn't agree.

Backing up your rmemory on storage somewhere would be a good trick. It is thought by some that the emerging science of nanotechnology might provide this someday for human beings, giving them the same capability computers already possess.

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Originally posted by R Trusedale It is thought by some that the emerging science of nanotechnology might provide this someday for human beings, giving them the same capability computers already possess.

Hehhe, probably not for a long time, considering that we don't know how memories operate. In fact, we have almost no clue...

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Originally posted by R Trusedale My apologies for removing some of the magic and mystery.

Ahhhh, not that you have. It's a great explanation (though not necessarily more supported in canon than any other), but there's room for alternate angles. And I wouldn't want to ignore the metaphysics at the risk of ignoring spiritual curiosity!

I just think it's interesting to see how many different takes viewers have on the same events.

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Originally posted by Seraphim quote: Originally posted by R Trusedale It is thought by some that the emerging science of nanotechnology might provide this someday for human beings, giving them the same capability computers already possess. Hehhe, probably not for a long time, considering that we don't know how memories operate. In fact, we have almost no clue...

Thats not necessary. Nanotech will give us the ability to map and rebuild matter with atomic precision. You simply map your brain at some instant and store the data somewhere. Then make an identical new brain if an emergency occurs. Since memories are simply brain structures, the new brain will wake up in the exact same state that the copy was maide from. You don't have to know which memory is which or anything like that.

Of course restoring brain copies from backup should only be done if the original is destroyed, otherwise things could get confusing....

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Originally posted by R Trusedale quote: Originally posted by Seraphim quote: Originally posted by R Trusedale It is thought by some that the emerging science of nanotechnology might provide this someday for human beings, giving them the same capability computers already possess. Hehhe, probably not for a long time, considering that we don't know how memories operate. In fact, we have almost no clue... Thats not necessary. Nanotech will give us the ability to map and rebuild matter with atomic precision. You simply map your brain at some instant and store the data somewhere. Then make an identical new brain if an emergency occurs. Since memories are simply brain structures, the new brain will wake up in the exact same state that the copy was maide from. You don't have to know which memory is which or anything like that. Of course restoring brain copies from backup should only be done if the original is destroyed, otherwise things could get confusing....

Actually, neuroscience hasn't a clue how the information in the brain is stored. Even if you were able to extricate information out of the brain, that is far from the same thing as putting it back in. I'm not sure that will ever be possible.

To give an example of what Pythagoras was saying, there is a condition called hydrocephalus - 'water on the brain'. The wierd thing about the condition is that many of the people that have suffered from it have led very normal lifes, yet have basically no brain.

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Is the Brain Really Necessary? (Or What and Where Is Consciousness)

I've also occasionally seen TLC/Discovery channel shows on the subject - it's really quite interesting. The point is, I think it is impressive how much scientists don't know about the mechanics of reality.

Just trying to put the 'mystery' back into this thread

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Is the Brain Really Necessary?

as to storing memories, movie from 1983 starring christopher walken, recording emotions, feelings, the entire experience, and accidently recording the death and ascention into heaven of the lead scientist, this idea has been used before, could have been in the writers mind.

Well perhaps it was something deeper than machinery and robotics, core memories and what not. Perhaps she has a soul of her own and stuff! ^^ I mean okay that was a bit out there but thats part of Dorothy's mystery and the reason why she is such an interesting character. At first it's good to make sense of it but perhaps it's best left a mystery. I mean sure she has a connection to Big O, but who's not to say that somewhere inside Dorothy lies a deeper secret as to why she acts the way she acts.Just something to think about!

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Originally posted by dr_malaki But somehow the very end did not work for me that way. On the contrary I was filled with a kind of speechless horror and despondency. It seemed like a true, unmitigated catastrophe, not a "eucatastrophe." More than a let-down, beyond a disappointment -- almost a sort of betrayal. I thought of the line from the old Beatles song, "Eleanor Rigby": Father McKenzie, Wiping the dirt from his hands as he walked from the grave, No one was saved ... It was almost as if the Ringbearer(s)' quest failed in _LotR_, and Sauron did reclaim the One Ring, or even as if ... well, never mind, I can't say it. Doc

I had the same feeling. I felt betrayed as well to witness the entire nullification of Paradigm City, which had turned to be entirely fake. Not only did this detract somewhat from the meaning of the show; it struck me as strange and terrifying in light of perfection that everything should be reduced to nothing, and something along the lines of Act 1 should replay. I felt the ending had been denied.

While the logical side of me likes the download into Big O theory, the romantic side of me still likes the transcendance theory.

I have always felt that the disk drive always held Dorothy back. Once that got removed, Dorothy's own memories took over without the burden of the past.

One scene that always makes me wonder is in the one in "Negotiation with the Dead" where Roger and Dorothy go back to the Wainwright house. In there, there is what appears to be a mechanical songbird in a gilded cage. I think that was a metaphor for Dorothy. When she lost her disk drive and the old memories, she lost her cage. Now she can fly free. )

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Originally posted by ZeaLitY quote: Originally posted by dr_malaki But somehow the very end did not work for me that way. On the contrary I was filled with a kind of speechless horror and despondency. It seemed like a true, unmitigated catastrophe, not a "eucatastrophe." More than a let-down, beyond a disappointment -- almost a sort of betrayal. I thought of the line from the old Beatles song, "Eleanor Rigby": Father McKenzie, Wiping the dirt from his hands as he walked from the grave, No one was saved ... It was almost as if the Ringbearer(s)' quest failed in _LotR_, and Sauron did reclaim the One Ring, or even as if ... well, never mind, I can't say it. Doc I had the same feeling. I felt betrayed as well to witness the entire nullification of Paradigm City, which had turned to be entirely fake. Not only did this detract somewhat from the meaning of the show; it struck me as strange and terrifying in light of perfection that everything should be reduced to nothing, and something along the lines of Act 1 should replay. I felt the ending had been denied.

Paradigm City is only rendered "entirely fake" if you want it to be so. I've never seen it that way myself. The scene at the end indicates that Roger was successful in his negotiation with Angel/Big Venus. THe people retained their memories of the last forty years, even if before that was still a blank. But that didn't matter quite so much any more. Roger had reminded Angel not to live entirely in the past, but to live in the here and now and for the future. Life in Paradigm City went on much as it always had, though some things were changed for the better (indicated by Dorothy & Angel being together at the end). THat scene is not Act 1, but Act 27. It just looks a lot like Act 1 because Roger is on his way to some job or another and is taking the same road he always does to leave his neighborhoood.