...What does the R. in R. Dorothy stand for?

-Wanderer- 12-28-2003 02:15 AM
But wait , during the last episode we see flashbacks of memories going through Roger's head and its of machines being built to look like Roger Smith and then painted. So what is Roger Smith or should I say R. Smith?
Little Fau 12-28-2003 02:52 AM
Like I said in another thread, it's metaphorical, not literal. It means
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there's been more than one Roger Smith -- more than one crop of tomatoes, and he's just the latest version, apparently the one destined to save Paradigm from the reset cycles.


Edit: that turned out to be this thread, heh. Check the first page, as well as the "Act 25-26 Repeats" thread.
Seraphim 12-28-2003 07:11 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Little Fau
spoiler (highlight to read):
there's been more than one Roger Smith -- more than one crop of tomatoes, and he's just the latest version, apparently the one destined to save Paradigm from the reset cycles.



Yeah, damn good job he did of it, too. *rolls eyes*
Prince-Consort Tesser 12-28-2003 09:06 AM
An android can be a louse if he wants to be! After all, a self-aware android can develop in any way a human can! So if an android wants to be a louse, why can't he be one?

I always thought that Roscoe Fitzgerald started off as "R. Fitzgerald" and when people asked him what the "R" stood for, he said "Roscoe" to hide his robotic nature. It has been implied that Dorothy and Roscoe's near-perfect human likenesses are unique among Paradigm's post-organic population.
Pygmalion 12-28-2003 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by Prince-Consort Tesser
I always thought that Roscoe Fitzgerald started off as "R. Fitzgerald" and when people asked him what the "R" stood for, he said "Roscoe" to hide his robotic nature. It has been implied that Dorothy and Roscoe's near-perfect human likenesses are unique among Paradigm's post-organic population.

Not to mention Big Ear.

Pygmalion
ix prefect 01-16-2004 03:22 AM
There's more than one referance to Asimov-it seems that it's Asimov's Three Laws that define the behavior of the androids on the show.

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

At least, we know the first one was used. Roger says something to Dorothy (well, what he thinks is Dorothy) to the effect of "but i thought androids couldn't hurt anyone".
He is pretty much the father of the android, after all.
X Prime 01-16-2004 03:46 AM
First is not followed, Dorothy ties up Beck's goons in The Greatest Villain.
ZeaLitY 01-16-2004 07:41 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Little Fau
Like I said in another thread, it's metaphorical, not literal. It means
spoiler (highlight to read):
there's been more than one Roger Smith -- more than one crop of tomatoes, and he's just the latest version, apparently the one destined to save Paradigm from the reset cycles.


Edit: that turned out to be this thread, heh. Check the first page, as well as the "Act 25-26 Repeats" thread.


Might this also mean, as Gordon Rosewater predicted in R-D, that the Roger Smith tomato crop has been perfected with each successive creation, since he is able to do the job of

spoiler (highlight to read):
negotiating with the director of the city?
Piano Black 01-16-2004 07:49 AM
Are we still on that whole tomato thing? I don't think Roger is a tomato anymore after seeing Act 13. All of those memories were seen through a keyhole.
Kappei Jin 01-16-2004 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by MetalGoldKnight
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I think that at one point they may have made androids specifically designed after the original Roger Smith in order to pilot the Bigs.


I quote Pleased Even considering that it's hard to find an alternative explanation.
In the past there was a lot of Big O's. Considering that Bigs was able to get a pilot inside also in the past (Act 22, Roger is driving the Big) this is the only "phisical" explanation that i can imagine. Others are all symbolic meanings.
Kappei Jin 01-16-2004 08:14 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Piano Black
Are we still on that whole tomato thing? I don't think Roger is a tomato anymore after seeing Act 13. All of those memories were seen through a keyhole.


Concerning the wanderer figure, i think it's only a personification of Roger's terror to don't know who is him. The wanderer have nothing, know nothing, and is knowed by nobody. None of the cast seems to have communication of this figure (instead Major, "recognized" by Angel in the act13's memory trip, and instead Android - who probably pilot the Big in flashback) - so it's only a confusional character that walk through the past stories of Roger but he's never really existed.
A Clockwork Tomato 01-16-2004 08:37 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Prince-Consort Tesser
It has been implied that Dorothy and Roscoe's near-perfect human likenesses are unique among Paradigm's post-organic population.


I don't think the implication has ever been made by anyone who actually knew what he was talking about -- just people like Roger who were dazzled by Dorothy's wonderfulness and the vast cost of making her. That Eugene Grant and Alan Gabriel think Dorothy provides them with a unique opportunity for wickedness just shows why people like Roscoe don't tell anyone that they're androids!