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HEy roger talked to The big ear about ellen before he talked to dastun. He knew she was a dancer and had been murderd.

I was kind of wondering why they dropped that " Dastun thinks roger is the killer" plot line. But obviously it proves that dastun has some knowlege about roger and the big o during act 13.

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Originally posted by Zopwx2 HEy roger talked to The big ear about ellen before he talked to dastun. He knew she was a dancer and had been murderd. I was kind of wondering why they dropped that " Dastun thinks roger is the killer" plot line. But obviously it proves that dastun has some knowlege about roger and the big o during act 13.

Yeah, I was dissappointed that we never saw him find out that Roger piloted Big O.

Said knowledge likely happened in Act 12 at JFK mark when Roger briefly came out of Big O to face Schwarzwald and his mummy megadeus. Dastun was watching the whole scene through his binoculars after all.

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Originally posted by Wingnut Said knowledge likely happened in Act 12 at JFK mark when Roger briefly came out of Big O to face Schwarzwald and his mummy megadeus. Dastun was watching the whole scene through his binoculars after all.

Then explain the wording: "What a disaster! What is that black Megadeus DOING!?"

If he knew, he should've said: "What is Roger DOING!?"

Dastun knew about Roger, but he felt, as I do, that everyone else doesn't need to know about it. If everyone knew that Roger had a Megadeus in his basement, problems would quickly arise.

End of Act 13, Dastun mumbles "The Megadeus..". Nobody could have heard that, anyone near him were in tanks.

Maybe you can chalk it up to mere force of habit?

All right. Those explanations are enough to satisfy my curiosity.

Thanks for the input.

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Originally posted by Wingnut Said knowledge likely happened in Act 12 at JFK mark when Roger briefly came out of Big O to face Schwarzwald and his mummy megadeus. Dastun was watching the whole scene through his binoculars after all.

I'm almost certain that Schwarzwald realized that Roger Smith was Big O's pilot in THE UNDERGROUND TERROR. Alex Rosewater clearly knew this already, given his line at the end of the episode. Angel must have suspected by the end of ELECTRIC CITY, and was certain by the end of CALL FROM THE PAST.

With Dastun, it's not so clear, but he had plenty of opportunities to figure it out. Dastun had a front-row seat in ENEMY IS ANOTHER BIG, may have seen Roger entering the cockpit in DAEMONSEED, surely noticed the coincidence that Roger was asking about Giesang and Amadeus just before Big O took out Constanze and Giesang in A LEGACY OF AMADEUS, and perhaps put two and two together when it came to Big O's timely appearance in WINTER NIGHT PHANTOM.

The Dastun didn't blow Roger's cover in front of large numbers of other cops doesn't mean that he didn't know!

Thanks for makeing my point more clear. It is no doubt to me that Schwarzwald figured out that Roger piloted the black Megadeus during Underground Terror. Angel and Alex Rosewater knew by the time of Call from the Past, and Dastun had hints in WNP and Dameonseed, and those hints were confirmed in Enemy is Another Big. And of course he knew Roger enough to realise the situation and not blow Roger's cover.

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Originally posted by X Prime End of Act 13, Dastun mumbles "The Megadeus..". Nobody could have heard that, anyone near him were in tanks. Maybe you can chalk it up to mere force of habit?

Datsun said "the ol' megadeus huh?" He said it in a way that he seems to accept the megadeus as a protector of Paradigm.

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Originally posted by BigO-SHOWTIME quote: Originally posted by X Prime End of Act 13, Dastun mumbles "The Megadeus..". Nobody could have heard that, anyone near him were in tanks. Maybe you can chalk it up to mere force of habit? Datsun said "the ol' megadeus huh?" He said it in a way that he seems to accept the megadeus as a protector of Paradigm.

Dastun feels that Big O undermines the value of the Military Police, but he also knows that Big O is protecting the citizens of Paradigm City. We can also guess that at the end of Act 13, Dastun has figured out that Roger is piloting Big O.

In Acts 1 and 2, Dastun grumbled at the sight of Big O one minute, and cheered him on the next.

Just finished watching Roger the Wanderer again...again, and I love the season 2 animation more and more every time. Season 1 animation is better in some ways but Season 2's is growing on me.

By the way, Season 2 DVD #1 comes out today, anyone else going to go grab it?

As we watched "Roger the Wanderer" again, we thought that the overwrought performance of Roger and Norman in the Smith Mansion set was a tribute to the radio play "Walking Down the Yellow Brick Road." Wonder if the writer was thinking the same thing?

Pygmalion

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Originally posted by Pythagoras quote: Originally posted by Zopwx2 HEy roger talked to The big ear about ellen before he talked to dastun. He knew she was a dancer and had been murderd. I was kind of wondering why they dropped that " Dastun thinks roger is the killer" plot line. But obviously it proves that dastun has some knowlege about roger and the big o during act 13. Yeah, I was dissappointed that we never saw him find out that Roger piloted Big O.

I think Dastun may have found out that Roger was the one piloting Big O in Act 12.

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Originally posted by Mr. Peabody quote: Originally posted by BigO-SHOWTIME quote: Originally posted by X Prime End of Act 13, Dastun mumbles "The Megadeus..". Nobody could have heard that, anyone near him were in tanks. Maybe you can chalk it up to mere force of habit? Datsun said "the ol' megadeus huh?" He said it in a way that he seems to accept the megadeus as a protector of Paradigm. Dastun feels that Big O undermines the value of the Military Police, but he also knows that Big O is protecting the citizens of Paradigm City. We can also guess that at the end of Act 13, Dastun has figured out that Roger is piloting Big O. In Acts 1 and 2, Dastun grumbled at the sight of Big O one minute, and cheered him on the next.

For the most part he grumbled the megadeus.... act 2 he even turned the military police on it....

A good quote (tenative exactness) from act 5: "The megadeus... theres something about it i really hate"

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Originally posted by BigO-SHOWTIME quote: Originally posted by Mr. Peabody quote: Originally posted by BigO-SHOWTIME quote: Originally posted by X Prime End of Act 13, Dastun mumbles "The Megadeus..". Nobody could have heard that, anyone near him were in tanks. Maybe you can chalk it up to mere force of habit? Datsun said "the ol' megadeus huh?" He said it in a way that he seems to accept the megadeus as a protector of Paradigm. Dastun feels that Big O undermines the value of the Military Police, but he also knows that Big O is protecting the citizens of Paradigm City. We can also guess that at the end of Act 13, Dastun has figured out that Roger is piloting Big O. In Acts 1 and 2, Dastun grumbled at the sight of Big O one minute, and cheered him on the next. For the most part he grumbled the megadeus.... act 2 he even turned the military police on it.... A good quote (tenative exactness) from act 5: "The megadeus... theres something about it i really hate"

I would hate "the black megadeus" if it was stealing my job for free too.

"Roger the Wanderer" is one of the two episodes I haven't seen. After seeing it, Act 26 makes a lot more sense. This was a phenomenal episode and makes me think there will be no more Big O in the future. See my theory on this thread

Act 14 has blown me away every time I've seen it. From the spectacular opening, recapping the final moments of Act 13 and splicing them with quotable quotes from all the major players on the stage that is Paradigm City, to Big O's fight with the Foreign Megadeuses, Roger's hallucinatory fit and struggle with his own identity and purpose in life, culminating in Roger finding his way and triumphing over the Megadeuses in spectacular fashion. The amazing thing is how fast that fit must have been. Couldn't have been more than a few moments in real-time. Dreams are like that, though.

It might be noted that what Roger fears most is fear itself. He is afraid of experiencing terror and panic, what he considers base, illogical emotions. The stress of the Megadeus battle (that Big O wasn't doing so well in, having just lost an arm before the fit began), combined with his blood loss and a likely case of shock made him panic and delve into a fit about his own existence.

It is also of note that it is Dorothy who pulls him out of his fit and fear and allows him to steel his resolve and finish the fight. Angel only made his panic and fear grow.

One last thing: Alan Gabriel is creepy as ever. God that guy scares me!

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Originally posted by BigPrime It might be noted that what Roger fears most is fear itself. He is afraid of experiencing terror and panic, what he considers base, illogical emotions. The stress of the Megadeus battle (that Big O wasn't doing so well in, having just lost an arm before the fit began), combined with his blood loss and a likely case of shock made him panic and delve into a fit about his own existence.

There must be more to it than this; he has a number of other visions while in Big O. Each time, he basically shakes them off and goes back to what he was doing. In fact, this is frequent enough in the show to be dubbed a theme: "To hell with this philosophical uncertainty crap: I have work to do!" This culminates in Act 25 when he walks calmly through the underground amid a group of other Roger Smiths, including, as I recall, the Wanderer and the Tomato, and later, in Act 26, when the world changing all around him completely fails to distract him from his task of talking to Angel.

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It is also of note that it is Dorothy who pulls him out of his fit and fear and allows him to steel his resolve and finish the fight. Angel only made his panic and fear grow.

It was for his own good. Tough love. Angel took him down into the Pit and made him take his nasty medicine, and Dorothy brought him back to the surface. This starts yet another recurring theme of Season 2: the one that says that both women are very important!

Right about the time Roger becomes convinced that he's nothing but an actor, Angel appears and gives this idea the scorn it deserves. She has other fish to fry, and doesn't want to hear him babble about his existential uncertainty. Which is sort of odd, under the circumstances, but there you are. Angel's message has nothing to do with what's real and what ain't. Then she hands Roger off to Dorothy, who throws the "actor" idea on the ground and stomps on it. Then it's time for Roger to get back to work.

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Originally posted by A Clockwork Tomato quote: Originally posted by BigPrime It might be noted that what Roger fears most is fear itself. He is afraid of experiencing terror and panic, what he considers base, illogical emotions. The stress of the Megadeus battle (that Big O wasn't doing so well in, having just lost an arm before the fit began), combined with his blood loss and a likely case of shock made him panic and delve into a fit about his own existence. There must be more to it than this; he has a number of other visions while in Big O. Each time, he basically shakes them off and goes back to what he was doing. In fact, this is frequent enough in the show to be dubbed a theme: "To hell with this philosophical uncertainty crap: I have work to do!" This culminates in Act 25 when he walks calmly through the underground amid a group of other Roger Smiths, including, as I recall, the Wanderer and the Tomato, and later, in Act 26, when the world changing all around him completely fails to distract him from his task of talking to Angel.

What if what he really fears is finding out the truth about himself and about his world?