BIG O religion/God connections -(facinating, revealing stuff)...Season 3 and 4 News...

Hey, I'm a new member (but I've been hanging out here as a visitor for a while ) and just wanted to run by some deep, facinating thoughts about BIG O and some news that I'm not sure has been widely reported on.

BIG O SEASON 2 came to a close last night, and though awesome and wild, it left things a bit unresolved. I felt things were set up for much more with all the foreshadowing in seasons 1 and 2. Now certain things in this theory have to be slightly altered due to the revelation of everything last night, but it can't be ignored I don't think... What we saw might be a conclusion to an act, but the big story, the story behind the supposed 'reset' and such hasn't been explained. (spoilers for season 1 and 2)

Perhaps...The BIG O is truly a story about the BIBLE.

Look at the hints I can recall off hand:

-Everytime Roger goes in the Big O and Alex goes into the Big Fau it says "Cast in the name of God...Ye Not Guilty."

-There's episodes about the church, and how people still go and sing 'praises,' though they can't remember why.

-Two names of Union mecha (megadeuce) have been Leviathan and Behemoth-both monsters from the bible.

-'Book of Revelations' is mentioned quite clearly (DAEMONSEED), but no one knows what the book is.

-Gordon wrote a book (part of book) that's called METROPOLIS that's about the end of the world. He's says Roger should be able to finish the book, or something to that extent. ...Old testament, New testament-something like that?

-On the Christmas episode of season 1, they celebrate Heaven's Day in front of 'Heaven's gate' which is in front of the head office of paradigm where Alex lives. And Alex, unlike the others, knows somehow that Heaven's day once had another name, and was about the celebration of God's son coming into the world.

-Analogy-BIG ONE- Gordon Rosewater (the father), Alex Rosewater who always wears white (the son) and Roger Smith, who works among the people and negotiates (the holy spirit) Its the trinity maybe. (or perhaps roger is the son, not clear. Evidence for both).

-The three foreign megadeuces sent by the union had parts in it to build Big Fau...anyways...the three megaduece gifts could represent: Gold, Francisense, and Myrr. And the three parts are used to build one megadeuce: Big Fau. Three persons-in-one God!

-The world is a stage, there's something above it (HEAVEN?!).
Speaking of stage, that's why the 'Dominus of a Megaduece' summons a megadeuce with 'showtime' and activates it with 'action'. Both calls for roles in a play. And further, episodes are called, 'ACTS'. Could be a litteral take on how God controls the world.

-The megadeuces are the "sacred chariots of mankind"

-Roger can pilot Big O and Alex can pilot Big Fau becuase they are perhaps part of/or representitive of the trinity and are 'not guilty'. Alan Gabriel, who tries to control the second big (Duo) is found 'guilty' becuase he is not a part of the three?

-Alan Gabriel. 'bible's Gabriel the Archangel'-at Rosewater's (Christ's) side?

-Angel, or sometimes called 'fallen angel.' Bible references there as well. ...maybe she's the Devil in disguise, unaware to her, and she's the rightful pilot of BIG DUO?

-Dominus of megaduece . . . dominus means 'lord' or 'master'.

-Big Duo ...Duo is latin for 'Devil.'

-Maybe the magadueces are the angels sent to fight Doomsday?

-STRIPES EPISODE: Pool ball, the one that falls in the pocket is a 3 (the trinity, Roger's the third person in the trinity by theory possibly) There's other 3 references throughout the series as well.

-Gordon (the father) says ALex is his son...but everyone else are his sons/children too. heh. God-like words.

-BIG EAR wears a Jewish cap (yamica). Perhaps he represents a prophet with his knowledge giving.

-Shwartzwald, a major enemy in season one who pilots Big Duo first after uncovering it, acted as a prophet, telling the city about many things in pamphlets (the contents are not toally explained, but its criptic, relgious-style text) he says to Roger, the first one to do so, "do we control them, or do they control us? Do they need a master, or so they choose a master" -referring to Megadueces. In the end, though a villian, he turns out to be, thus far, more of a prophet, who didn't nessessarily mean complete harm despite his craziness. GREAT CHARATCER btw. He died in the desert, and that's bible-like as well. Michael Seebach...Michael is an angel in the bible during Revelation.

-Agents of the Union have 3 digits. (ie: Agent 340) Like in the bible, Chapter 3, verse 40. 3:40. Don't know about which book though.

-Cross/crucifix references throughout the series up till the end. BIG FAU's design itself has a stainglass/church/biship look to it.

-Ran across this: Four Horsemen.
quote from BIG O I mentioned earlier: "megadeuces...they are the sacred chariots of mankind"
check this coolness out:

Black (represents balance and justice) BIG O is black, Roger (the pilot) has his own 'laws' and 'rules' that he lives his life by and imposes on others.
Red (represents blood and rebellion) BIG DUO is red and has twice attacked Paradigm.
White (represents military leadership/king) Big Fau is white and the head of city pilots it against the unknown force attacking the city from the sky in episode 25.
Pale Green (represents famine and death from plagues) Not represented yet..but might there be a FOURTH 'BIG?' Perhaps Angel controls it? Or maybe Duo was meant for Angel all along? (Angel normally wears all pink, and that's kinda like red.) Now I know about BIG VENUS, maybe if it was a solid color and not translucent, it's the Pale Green Megadeuce?...and it sorta brought a plague...one that erases memories. hmm.

-Stars falling from the sky (with the satellites and the unknown things destroying Paradigm in episode 25). Happens in Revelation, stars crashing to Earth.

-There's a passage in Revelation that has a woman sprouting wings and retreating to the desert (something to that effect). Sounds a bit like Angel.

-FALLEN ANGEL. They mention that she will return to the monster she truly is when her wings were plucked. That's what happened to the angel who became the Devil in the bible. Roger rejected her in STRIPES; Christ rejected the devil. They sat apart from one another in the bar too. Weren't allowed to be equals/partners.

Last note/theory needs the NEWS I promised to work. SEASON 3 and 4???

Animenewsnetwork.com (2003-06-09 18:23:10): More Big O
According to this article on Television Week, Cartoon Network has an option for 26 more episodes of "The Big O" should the series do well on Adult Swim. That's 26 additional episodes [I]after the 13 new ones. [/I]
Source: http://www.tvweek.com/topstorys/060903cartoonsets.html

Animenewsnetwork.com (2003-06-19 02:11:30):
Cartoon Network Animation Budget In an article primarily about animation from India, IndianTelevision.com quotes Turner Entertainment Network senior VP Ian Diamond as saying that Cartoon Network, globally, has set aside $500 Million over five years for the creation of new animation.
...Sounds like they could fund some more BIG O goodness.

Why make 26 more? Could it be that Cartoon Network is just gonna force the makers of BIG O to do it to get more money, or do the makers of BIG O have more in mind already and Cartoon Network is responding to that idea? Heck, ADULTSWIM's bumpers during the first couple of episodes of Season 2 said if we like this season and support it, there could be a third. ...do they know something? It makes ya wonder.

The creator of BIG O, on his official website, when the second season was airing in Japan said of this new season (note not there anymore), prepare for the 'Sudden Impact!' What does that mean? Could it be hinting that there's more to the story?

My theory on why they'd have more episodes:
26 equals 4 seasons, or one more REALLY big season. Possibility going on the Bible idea: Angel will become the Devil and Doomsday will happen. Then comes Tribulation according to the Bible where people are trying to survive which could be Season 3 (to escape the reset?), and then season 4 the angels and Christ come down a detroy the Devil (Angel) and the 'reset' for good. That would be so sweet.

Seems to me TOO MUCH evidence to be ignored. It's a plot element that has not been fully utilized or explained. Could make for an awesome Season 3 and possibly even 4. BIG O is already one of the best anime, but with two more rockin' seasons it could shoot straight off the charts. However, maybe it was intended for only 2 seasons and an ending that abstractly uses religion. Seems to me a bit of a waste though...as if it's unfinished. I mean, there's still all these different memories and visions we've seen but which have not been explained. Why create so many elaborate parts if only to end with a swift 'Deus Ex Machina?'

Great site, great show. What does everyone think of these thoughts? And had you heard that curious news of possibly 2 more seasons?

'later

-(not bad...for a...) Paradigm Dog!

PS: there's more religious references too, just can't remember them all. They're all over the place!

PPS: Shwartzwald's last words were to the effect that the world is a 'comedy'. What was he referrring to do you think?

Welcome, Paradigm Dog! Here, allow me to loosen your leash!!....ok that was corny...

Honestly, I just like to watch Big O for what it is. I usually don't catch any religious references, but thats probably because I never read the bible. I find your post to be very interesting, though. These things are no coincidence, and were obviously intended by the creators. The whole Big Venus thing really interests me. I'm convinced that Angel is an incarnation of The Devil, or some sort of Dark God. Hell, look at Big Venus's face, it can't be good!

On a totally off topic note....
Is it just me, or does Big Venus look like a Megadeuce version of a Terminator?

EDIT:About the Schwarzwald question:
I think Schwarzwald was just laughing at the fact that the whole city is simply a stage. For so long, Schwarzwald had been searching for "the true memories", only out that the city is encased in a giant dome.

Thumbs up on this thread! Must've taken you a while to type all this information, and its very interesting!

Hey Paradigm Dog I don't know you but I LOVE YA already! Thanks for the news ! WELCOME! YAY!!!!!!!!!SEASON THREE!!!!

Great stuff...most of this has already been mentioned before (I did a short analysis on the four horsemen a while ago), but it's good to see it all compiled into one thread.

Oh, if you're going to use the horsemen analogy to the Bigs, the pale green horse would be Big Venus. As for an abridged vbersion of the analysis:

Yeah, you got the Big O analysis down. Also might want to add that the black horseman caused famine (not the pale green--the pale green spred other plagues).

The Big Duo analysis can be brought further--Schwarzwald searched for truth, but in the end it led to death and destruction. Also, he searched for truth--for more knowledge. Who declares war? The ones with more "knowledge"--those who lead nations. (There's more to it, I need to look up my pervious notes on this).

The Big Fau analysis is decent--important to note that the horses were sent by God. Alex thought that Big Fau was given to him by God--that God had chosen him to rule over Paradigm. (God being his father). Oh...something to think about. The white horse was supposed to represent an enemy of the Roman Empire, that would come and conquer it.

Now, in another thread, we have arguments going about what Angel represents...whether it's Lucifer, the beast...I have an idea that if not Angel herself, then Big Venus represents the beast...and the beast represented Rome and its Emperors...

Perhaps Alex believed he would triumph over the beast, therefore having the authority ro recreate the empire? But in the end, he was wrong, and he lacked the right of kingship.

Big Venus could represent the pale green horse...since it seems it was the cause of The Event (at least, the wiping of memories), it effectively caused the death of a third of the population...it spread the final set of plagues on the people, after the collapse of the government, the spread of strife, and the famines. Makes sense--Venus appeared at the conclusion of the battle, after all three events took place.

Metropolis has more of a parallel with The Book of Revelation--Gordon received the inspiration in a dream (just like John, the author of Revelation).

Oh, and welcome to the forums.

Actually, there is no set rule in terms of how many episodes comprise a season. So 26 more episodes is not necessarily two more seasons, but can be 1.

For instance... Gundam Wing hit 49 episodes in season 1, then went on to a series of three original video animations (OVAs).

Gundam Seed = 50 episodes = 1 season

Escaflowne = 26 (

Sometimes when a new show is started, they'll do 13 to test the waters. If it goes well, they may continue forward. The problem with Escaflowne was that it was originally scripted to be longer but something happened (perhaps it didn't do as well as hoped) and they cut back somewhere along the way. (Correction, it was supposed to be 33-39 episodes)

Anyways, the concept of 26 more episodes being optioned as stated by CN prior to 14-26 airing is most likely referring to just 1 season. And actually, that's good news since 26 episodes lends itself to telling a much more longer story arc. Or, several smaller story arcs.

BTW 500 million dollars is not actually a whole lot. The cost per episode of a show these days is just under 1 million in Japan. So that doesn't amount to a whole lot after all.

according to the book of revelations:

the first rider (of a white horse) is a symbol of conquering power

the second (red horse) a symbol of bloody war

the third (black horse) a symbol of famine

the fourth (pale green horse) a symbol of death himself

i feel the bible holds many keys to this show...

most definitely sir it does ive read revolations and im writing and illustrating a graphic novel about it its going to be a manga looking novel heh but ive read about the horses repersenting something in events that will happen everytime the elders opened all of the 7 scrolls jesus showed john all this in a vison of the futre its my fave chapter in the bible and i always hear people say that hey maybe jesus said this but for me i read the bible and it speacks clearly to me because the interpretations speacks for it self i think man tries to make his interpretation of what he thinks the bible says i know thats mans biggest struggle when it comes to the bible and im glad someone reads the bible and its good that you do sir god bless you .

**VERY CHRISTAIN POST**

*FP please read *

I've actually found some other connections that were very suprising...while I was sitting at a service at church ^^;;

Gordon Rosewater says:
"I hope that this years harvest puts as much bread on people's tables as it can."

I thought for a moment that he was refering to the bread of heaven. The Bread/Body of Christ...and the blood of heaven (the Blood of Christ) would be the tomato stew in act 25!!

Then I thought about what we say in church "We remember his death, we proclaim his resurection, we await his coming in glory"...
We remember his death-- The 'death' of Gordon Rosewater
We proclain his resurection-- The resurection of Big Fau/ finding G. R. alive
We await his coming in glory-- "Continue your negotiations, Negotiator." "It's up to you now, Negotiator!"

There were other aspects as well that I can remember I thought could be preferenced in Big O...but I forgot >_< So when I get home I'll look at the program from the service and try to remember what else was there.

**END OF VERY CHRISTIAN POST**
*FP you can leave now *

ISA 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Big o (the LORD) with his "sword" (cast in the name of god, ye not guilty theme with big o final stage) slays the dragon (Leviathan, which is Big Fau)

I just can't see that this is it, the end of BIG O-- forever. Why would the author have done so many references if not to tie it all up eventually? The current explanation does not cover all the bases by any means. I was reading another thread here and someone made a strong point.
Angel and Gordon get off at the 666th Floor, where Gordon is taken away and Angel puts her memories into BIG Venus (I suppose she does so anyways). The point IS (lol) the "666th" floor Another clue that Angel is truly a/the 'fallen angel' It's all very strange. As I've already stated, I really do think 'AN EVENT' happened, and Paradigm getting its memories 'reset' by BIG VENUS is only a very very small part of what's going on. There's a bigger picture I think. And it has to involve all those scenes of war we've seen of mass-produced Megadeuses etc. When I first saw that scene, I thought it was a representation of the final battle between good and evil, angels/protectors and demons/destroyers. Becaase there were Leviathans fighting BIGS.

just some more points to sort out. heh.

'later

I think its stupid when people try to bring in refrences that aren't there. Whats stupider is thinking that big ear wear a Yamica

yes, I know it an extremely minor point, and fairly stupid sounding, but if their is a religious connection, this point needs to be noted i think. And for the record, he does wear a yamika. Look at any picture of him. This is the cleanest shot I could find:





I don't mean to offend anyone whatsoever with this thread, but I'm just pointing out what the creators put in. They didn't have to, there's no set precedent saying they needed to, but they did anyways, putting it as a focal point. Roger normally has to see Big Ear to get info.

Another thing I noticed. When I was looking in the Images for that last one, I ran across this. Notice all the crosses in the background? Why were they there, were they absolutely needed? They could have done it without it. I don't know, just a note.



Last thing. This one is very insignificant probably, but the character design of Roger, his tie. The white streak basically makes an abstract cross/that or it sorta imitates the collar of a preist, especially considering the rest of the outfit is black.



Again, no offense meant to any one by anything I'm noting down. But I just feel some things need to be touched on (at least once).

Hey evan...I must say, those are ideas I didn't really consider. Shame on me, I should have picked up on them They are a bit of a stretch, but I can see the parallels.

Paradigm Dog, I personally think that the memories of the war are trying to establish a point--that the Bigs caused the Apocalypse--a warning if you will. And as you could see in "The War of Paradigm City" and "The Show Must Go On," both Big Fau and Big O contributed to the destruction of the city.

They might literally represent the first Event, but I personally think it had a more metaphorical meaning--that, again, the Megadei have been and/or will be (I go with the latter) the cause of Paradigm's destruction.

Mike_44, what are you talking about? Clearly Big Ear is wearing a Yamica, maybe you should look at pictures of him again.

Big O is not a show to be taken at face value. Like other anime, there are deeper meanings to be found...and I think everyone on the forums is on the right path to finding them. We'll find the Truth eventually!

Yes, interesting screenhots of the lab, with the crosses in the background. I think you'll find that Paradigm is a very tolerant place, I don't think many people will get too upset about discussing the religious nature of Big O unless you try and force religious beliefs on people (which I haven't seen here, and I doubt will be seen).

Oh, anyone remember the number of the Leviathan megadeus? I just had an idea for it, but I need to know the number first.

For some reason or another I think Japanese while they don't practice Christianity or Judism as widely as people do here, they have some great respect and admiration for it.Many anime use Christian references Trigun for instance.To Japanese Christianity isn't as common, it is more exotic like Buddism may seem to us.So it makes for great storylines. Or that is what I think.If you've ever played FFX Yuna performs something called a sending, Catholics do a ritual called final rights.I have noticed that in Big O there are numerous references like cast in the name of God. Episode 26 especailly.But believe it or not there are more than 500,000 Japanese christians.

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Originally posted by GummiBear289 For some reason or another I think Japanese while they don't practice Christianity or Judism as widely as people do here, they have some great respect and admiration for it.Many anime use Christian references Trigun for instance.To Japanese Christianity isn't as common, it is more exotic like Buddism may seem to us.So it makes for great storylines. Or that is what I think.If you've ever played FFX Yuna performs something called a sending, Catholics do a ritual called final rights.I have noticed that in Big O there are numerous references like cast in the name of God. Episode 26 especailly.But believe it or not there are more than 500,000 Japanese christians.

Yeah, that's right. The Japanese or, rather, anime creators (at least, in my opinion) do have a good deal of respect for Judeo-Christian themes, or perhaps they just feel it would make for very interesting storylines (which I think, when done correctly, is true). You do see a lot of Anime with religious undertones, and more often than not that religious undertone is Judeo-Christian based. Some Anime even go the the extreme with this...Evangelion, for example, has A LOT of Judeo-Christian references. It is, more or less, based on the ideas of Judaism and Christianity.

Here are a few of the religious symbols I have noticed. These are just my opinions though, and have a good chance of being incorrect.

Roger is basically a Jesus type figure. His true purpose is to help people realize the truth, to come to terms with the facts. He does this in a very passive way. He wants those he deals with to realize it for themselves.

Schwarzwald is after the same goal, but he uses different tactics to achieve it. He is more aggressive. Showing people what the truth is instead of letting them come to the conclusion. Essentially I see him as John the Baptist. He was even the one to lead Roger to the truth, as John was the one to baptize Jesus.

As for Big Ear. He is indeed jewish looking. The only one in the series from what I've noticed. He also has a vast source of knowledge, able to lead Roger in the right direction when needed. It seems to me he is a symbol of the Wandering Jew. For those who don't know the story, the Wandering Jew was a man who mistreated Christ on his way to the cross. As punishment he was condemned to roam the earth until Judgment Day. A man who has lived that long would know a lot of things. Also Big Ear seems to have died in the last episode, Judgment Day.

As to Big Venus. There are two things I gleaned from this name. The first is not as religious as it is interesting. Many years ago there was a theory that the planet Venus was not a native to our solar system. They believed it was a rogue planet that passed by Earth, destroying everything and causing humanity to have to rebuild itself, before it was captured in it's current orbit.

The second thing is the name itself. Venus has the nickname Morning star. This was due to the fact that it appears to look like a star and is usually best seen in the early hours of the morning. Now the name Morning star is given to one other thing, Lucifer. Lucifer, before he fell from heaven, was referred to as the Morning star. It is obvious what that would imply Angel is.

those are some amazing and thoroughly thought out posts y'all. thats what great anime is about, deep meaning and awesome discussions. makes me think of the type of people who sit and create this show not to mention, what they are thinking when they chose names and what not. because it could be a coincidence but at this point highly unlikely.

i dont mean to detract from this thread but ive had this lingering question for some time now:

What possesses a man who already controls the entire paradigm world to be willing and able to find memories unto which will turn the world upside down to do so without a glimpse of compassion or doubt amongst himself?

ALright my turn. Just posting this alot so to draw some attention to it. Its very painstakingly put together.


Holy s***, I just had a eureka over the meaning of Act 26. So people just buckle down and listen to this. THIS may actually be the true meaning to Big O.

Alright like I was talking about in my previous post I was contemplating the significance of human nature in the story, when I realized this.

The whole story of Big O can be seen as a parable of the Book of Revelation in that the story focuses constantly about the destruction of humanity. But the destruction is never really explained or gone into detail of why it actually happened 40 years ago. But if you look closely at the society in Paradigm city it is one that is very corrupt and sinful as represented of the illwill shown towards the poor by the people living in the Domes and their basic lack of humanity in general. In the Book of Revelation it talks about the coming of the year 2000 as the symbol of the Resurrection of Christ and the destruction of the world soon follows because man has become so sinful and evil that God has finally decided to pass final judegment in the form of the Apocolypse. In Act 25 and 26 PC has finally become such a scar on existence that its final judgement is finally coming in the form of God's wrath raining down fire from heaven. Just as we saw in the form of the bombs being dropped in Act 25.
We can then look even further into the biblical meaning of the story as the book of Revelation also talks about the Anti-Christ or a person who sees himself as God. The coming of the Anti-Christ is the sign of the end of man as it shows that man is reaching such a point of evil that it has totally negated all good and right in the world, something that God cannot sit and let spoil his world. Alex Rosewater becomes the Anti-Christ in PC as he sees himself as the "new God of a new order", a action which initiates the fall of man into chaos and sin, and ultimately triggers its own downfall through Gods vengeance.
So as Alex Rosewater assumes his new order, a action that was prophesized in the Book of Revelation as the one of the signs of the second coming of Christ, Big Venus appears.
Big Venus is in effect not the devil as many here are proclaiming but he is in fact CHRIST. I know this since if he was the Devil he would of come to enslave humanity to follow his will but Venus doesnt do that. Venus arrives to cleanse the world, that God l created, of the anarchy and destruction that had befallen PC due to Alex and humans egotistical nature which ultimately fueled their own self-destruction. The arrival of Big Venus represents the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST following the apocalypse as Venus comes to rectify the evils of man by cleansing the world of all the destruction they brought.

And by restarting the world in a different form man has once again be saved by Jesus/Venus and allowed to start anew.

Throughout the show their are some very subtle references to Christianity and relegion and this was for good reason, it was referenced to since it is the underlying theme beneath the entire plot. Big O is basically a lesson in the Bible and the Apocalypse. A notion that is right under your nose when you first are introduced to story of the event but it is ignored in favor of more relative themes like nuclear holocaust theories and cold war type stuff.

And for those who think I left out Roger you could argue that he represents the part of humanity in general who are actually good just people (people outside of the domes,the ones who still sing to God even though they dont know why)who do not make up the other more sinful part of man(the part who fell victim to their own human nature,the people in the domes). Roger tries to fight against the judgement of God as he wants them to be pardoned for their sins just kinda of like how Christ died for humans to save them from their own fate.

Overall the Robots/Dominuses in PC can just be seen as an extension of Gods judgement as they carry the power to bring man to his demise pending on the will of God. Roger may in fact be a messenger of God who has just forgot his true origins. Also each Robot has a place in the Bible as one of the angels/messengers of either air(Big Duo)Land(Big O), and water(Big Faux). And Christ himself(Big Venus).

Whew that was alot of typing, but I hope people will take the time to read this since I think it is really the meaning of the story

your John the Baptist reference. (off topic, like your sig. Simon's Quest rocked. ^_^) back to the point...Interesting. I wonder if the creators of BIG O even realize just what a convoluted story full of foreshadowing/mysteries they've created? heh. The Fallen Pheonex, thanks for letting me know the atitude around here, and to you and everyone, thanks for the hospitality.

In another thread I started talking about the "Union Aircraft" and variety of Megadei, I make some interesting points regarding the fact that this current ending is not explanitory enough on even the basic levels dealing with the Megadei/memories/characters, let alone, as we've pointed out here, the religious references.

Another thing with crosses, The core memory unit in Big Fau behind Rosewater that has Dorothy's memories in it is shaped as a cross. Does anyone know what "Fau" means even? Can't figure that out.

# of Leviathans, not sure. Couldn't keep track because of the qucikness of the scene. In fact, I heard that there's a scene in 26 where Big Venus rips the head off of a Leviathan. Definitely a rivalry. (speak of it a bit more in that other thread I mentioned)

The fact that the creators introduced Big Venus leads me to believe there will/should be more. Fau was shown briefly in Season One and became a main attraction in Two. If Angel is the devil, we can't have Roger taking this manipulation sitting down. There's gotta be a difinitive judgement where the world is at last saved from evil and the Purgatory-like cycle broken. Imagine an apocalypic showdown of Roger vs. all sorts of demons and Angel. That would be wild. One of Roger's most friendly rivals turns out to be more power-hungry than Rosewater. What a twist; Showtime indeed. The "Curtain Call" hehehe. I'm telling you, BIG O would probably top all anime in one fell swoop with that kinda manuever.

Speaking of Angel...what about the foreigners? Wanderers in the desert like in the bibile or something? I did not get it at all, when Vera turned into Behemoth. It was so quick, I didn't even know what was going on. How did people here know that was Behemoth? Is there a design sheet somewhere?

And ok, so they 'came to terms' in 26...but just on one level. For all we know, Roger's not heading for the warehouse, but another place. Time has changed itself due to the reset most likely. In season 3 he'd probably have to remember what happened somehow and this time work to stop the reset. This time perhaps things could be warped and there'd be a new head of city or something to keepthings interesting.

Why do I get the feeling us fans will be speculating for a while. We've been given jumbled clues, but they're cast in all sorts of directions. I do think though, as we've all proven, that religion is a common theme linking them.

I feel 'Roger the Wanderer' is a key episode. I've tried to analyze it in that other post I mentioned, but I'm pretty stumped. I'll have to watch it again when it reshows.

'later

Preventer Wind: Rosewater, why does he feel the need to turn the world upside down? Took me a while to figure this out. I think I've got a decent idea now. The memories are power, and thus, a threat to him. He lacks knowledge of how everything came to ruin, and doesn't want it to happen again. Through his seearching for memories, he uncovers some fraction of the truth it seems, and knows that someone is pulling the strings. With the power of BIG FAU he hopes to destroy this city which has been created through a puppetmaster, thus freeing himself from the strings, and begin his own order by himself, that will not be subject to the rule of the director. (Angel?). That's my take, and I feel its pretty accurate.

Ronin: Nicely done. Quite possible, but I'd hoped for something more dramatic than the little tussle we witnessed in 26. The thing I feel is kinda iffy in your well-thought post is the role of BIG VENUS. In the final coming, Christ would not want to erase everyones minds and keep them blind to Him. Venus comes from the floor "666", which is a clear sign of evil. Angel as devil, or servent of the devil, or whatever, is manipulating the city, pulling everyone's strings. During past resets she has put man through the same destructive cycle only to blind them again. I don't know the motives, but it doesn't exactly sound like Christ. However, it did sound like Venus was against the Leviathans... But it doesn't cover everything (stuff I mentioned in my other thread regarding Union planes and Megadei.) Roger seems to have an important role out of everyone and a special connection to the entire story. There are many dominus of megadeus if you count people like Benny (who had Osrail) and such. Doesn't all add up. It's gonna take another season or a very very good movie to wrap things properly. Perferably a season though. (talked about more in my other thread)

Well, those are my current thoughts.