Episode 26 Discussion: "The Show Must Go On"

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Originally posted by Volt quote: Originally posted by "Yeah, but..." Volt, it'll re-air at 12:30/11:30. Thanks bud. Now I can sleep knowing I'll get to se Big Fau bash Big O's neck open tomorrow. Thank god for TiVo... but not for AS making it so it says family Guy instead of Big O. Oh well. Evan: LMAO. You're mad about that?

Eh, sorry about that, Volt. They're showing Mission Hill right now. Big O will reair at 2/1.

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Originally posted by hyge I don't know if anyone else went digging for their DVD, but I sure did! When they show the begining again, there's a shot of Angel and R. Dorthory standing on the side of the road as Roger drives by. Both dressed in black. This is different from the first episode where the first time we see Dorthory is when Roger goes to negotiate her freedom from Beck, and she is in green. And we won't see Angel for quite some time yet... So it's not exactly the same, which means the timeline may be just different enough for season three to be feasable... That's just my way of looking at it though.

I think a season 3 is very plausible. For instance, they have not yet answered WHY the virtual reality is being run. Was Gordon also a memory? He was the author of the first Metropolis book, and it changed to show now that it is by Angel. Did Gordon do the last reset?

Dorothy was still in the new reality. Does that mean that Angel came to to the point that she recognized that Roger and Dorothy have a bond, and neither is fully complete without the other? If she was the one rewriting the book, after all, she could very well have written Dorothy right out and had Roger to herself. By that last shot, it looks like perhaps they are even friends.

Was it Angel's atonement for almost letting Gabriel destory Dorothy? That most of all was when she realized how much Dorothy meant to Roger, and she was completely devastated by her own inaction, so much so that she apologized even though Dorothy said it was unnecessary.

If someone you love doesn't feel the same way about you and falls in love with someone else and you are a mature and caring person, you will accept this and wish that person happiness in their choice. You will even take pleasure in it once your intial sadness over your loss fades. Why? Because you love them and you want them to be happy.

Is that what Angel did with Roger and Dorothy?

So many questions still I really do hope for another season

First reaction: OW!!! MY BRAIN!!!

Second reaction: We're gonna need a whole 3rd season just to explain the last two episodes.

The way I see this is that rewinds will continually occur until Roger is finally able to stop the rewinding of Pardigm City. The director wants to create a perfect show, and when all the events do not occur as wanted, then the director resets the show and begins again.

I believe that our viewing of Pardigm is the third installment. The first try ended with Hydra. The first Roger and Big O were destroyed by Hydra, so the director had to "implant" memories into the second Roger on how to deal with Hydra.

The second attempt went well until the end. The second Roger was unable to escape from the bottom of the sea and ultimately drowned. This gave way to the insertion of Dorothy into the show.

This third Roger was able to make the journey to the end of the show. However, for some reason the director was unsatasfied with the way the show had performed and decided to make another rest.

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Originally posted by Stonecutter The way I see this is that rewinds will continually occur until Roger is finally able to stop the rewinding of Pardigm City. The director wants to create a perfect show, and when all the events do not occur as wanted, then the director resets the show and begins again. I believe that our viewing of Pardigm is the third installment. The first try ended with Hydra. The first Roger and Big O were destroyed by Hydra, so the director had to "implant" memories into the second Roger on how to deal with Hydra. The second attempt went well until the end. The second Roger was unable to escape from the bottom of the sea and ultimately drowned. This gave way to the insertion of Dorothy into the show. This third Roger was able to make the journey to the end of the show. However, for some reason the director was unsatasfied with the way the show had performed and decided to make another rest.

hmm, interesting take on it Stonecutter

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The rewind happend.
First of all, ep.26 was on par with "R-D".


this pic (thx sixfortyfive)

What are the 13 mini tv's showing?. Also why is there a phone?
And the TV's are in color, unlike in 25-26 Monocromatic with scanlines.


also Control room 2 (thx sixfortyfive again)

Looks like a normal Room: things to notice, Dorothy has no MMU? so thats she's human?, Big O poster?

So Was Big-O really a Show, Not some kind of computer-show?

Okay, this may be way off and might be lack of sleep talking but here's another theory:


Angel is the writer and the director of this "show", that's obvious. What if she got lost in her own story? She created this entire world of her own design, possibly her own utopia, possibly not. What i'm thinking is, maybe something happened in the real world, something so terrible that these actors chose to erase their memory of ever being actors so they could live on inside the sound stage. It reminds me of the Truman show in a way if anyone has seen that.
The angel part could come from her feelings that she saved them but over time she fell, i.e. fallen angel. The concept of Lucifer could be in her own mind, that it was her fault things started falling apart.
She went into the world she created in order to try to fix it and thus got lost. She was part of the resistance that believed they were helping by destroying the memories and they actually were. But throughout the mission, she forgot her way and her memories, although they were still nagging at her, causing her to go in search of any memories. I think she may have left clues for herself just in case she got lost such as the book and Gordon.
The tomato farm concept could be a need to mass produce humans since the rest of the world had died. The assembly line of Roger could be stand ins, stunt doubles or the like. and the small dorthy's at one point could be merchandising.


Oh, and just another thought on the Roger and Dorthy lack of kiss is that was Dorthy's way of saying, "i love you too." It's just the way they acted around each other.

Okay..i think i'm done rambling. What does everyone thing?

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Originally posted by Mikey129 The rewind happend. First of all, ep.26 was on par with "R-D". this pic (thx sixfortyfive) What are the 13 mini tv's showing?.

what the mini tv's are showing, are all the times when angel and roger are together, at least that's what i caught in the 1 second that i saw it clearly

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Originally posted by Akyla (all the stuff Akyla had)

I like this theory a whole lot. It explains the superdome, and a lot of other things.
But the one thing that throws everyone for a loop, is that if it is a show, covered by state lights, and Angel is the director, then why in the hell does the lighting rack dissapear?

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Originally posted by Mikey129 Looks like a normal Room: things to notice, Dorothy has no MMU? so thats she's human?, Big O poster? So Was Big-O really a Show, Not some kind of computer-show?

I think her headband is on there... it may be hard to see due to the angle/perspective.

And yes, that poster in the back is the same one that covers the anime companion book. Kind of funny eh?

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Oh and here's a silly thought -- what time did Big O air in Japan when it was on?

7:20... 7:20... what's the significance of 7:20? :-)

Wow, I really liked this episode. Although I'm still not sure what to make of it... What was the deal with Angel and Dorothy standing together while Roger was driving and doing the whole first season thing? Was it just me or did Dorothy look really human at that point?

Bring on season 3!!

I'm looking at the script of Act 26 in the companion book. It's taunting me, as the ONLY English sentence in it says "You'll know the truth of The Big-O."

Curse the language barrier! I want the truth!!

Thanks for posting those pics, Mikey129. There are 16 "Angel and Roger" screens. However, *duck, for the frying pan of symbolism is upon us!*, the three larger screens in the center are Roger communicating with Angel as Director, and he has his arms spread in Christ-like imagery.

Roger is negotiating with the god of Paradigm/mediating on behalf of the people.

[s-girl, I know this was mentioned in the Angel Spoilers thread, but from those pics, I think we can officially go there ]

When Dorothy saved Roger in Big O I kinda thought that they had relized they were actors. Thus Roger making a joke about the mouth to mouth. This does kinda explain why Dorothy was able to get up with her memories.

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Originally posted by Sixfortyfive I'm looking at the script of Act 26 in the companion book. It's taunting me, as the ONLY English sentence in it says "You'll know the truth of The Big-O." Curse the language barrier! I want the truth!!

Huh? Is the solution the truth of Big O really written in the companion book?! Must know.... it... brain... tortured.

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Originally posted by GAT-X105 I like this theory a whole lot. It explains the superdome, and a lot of other things. But the one thing that throws everyone for a loop, is that if it is a show, covered by state lights, and Angel is the director, then why in the hell does the lighting rack dissapear?

You do have a point, unless it's something like holodecks on Star Trek. Or maybe the whole disappearence of things as Venus makes it's way across the stage is just symbolizing that's it's having to start over again. That too many people were killed recently that they need to wipe the slate completely to start over once again. As it's being said, hit the rewind button.
Angel being at the new start with Dorthy could be there is a new director trying to get it right this time around or else Angel chose to wipe her memory as well and just join the rest of them, leaving the world to chance completely this time instead of trying to control it.

It's almost as if we can't take anything happening on the show literally though.

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Originally posted by InsInIfIcant When Dorothy saved Roger in Big O I kinda thought that they had relized they were actors. Thus Roger making a joke about the mouth to mouth. This does kinda explain why Dorothy was able to get up with her memories.

That does seem plausible. The bit where Roger is having flashbacks, and then sees Angel (as director) watching child-version of angel with Roger and exclaims, "YOu." implies that somehow he realized that what he was seeing was tied to her.

GAH! We need a translation of the anime guide! I want to understand the extent of what Roger was realizing at that point.

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Originally posted by Akyla [quote]Originally posted by GAT-X105 Angel being at the new start with Dorthy could be there is a new director trying to get it right this time around or else Angel chose to wipe her memory as well and just join the rest of them, leaving the world to chance completely this time instead of trying to control it.

Meaning, leaving it to free will ... Roger had made that point in his negotiations with Big Venus.

It's an interesting point ... Angel could have chosen to rewrite things and joined them as a human completely. It would seem consistent with her desires overall. I recall Vera mocked her for wanting a life in Paradigm in one of the earlier episodes; I also recall Angel was devastated when she found out she was a memory; and in this episode Angel stated that she didn't care what happened 40 years prior;

This would conveniently get rid of the theatre/show allegory this time around as well.... and if that were hanging over another season, I'd be somewhat annoyed as it would make things a bit false for us viewers.

*sigh*

We need to get these Sunrise studios to some conventions and wrangle the explanation out of them

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Originally posted by Nicodemus Wow, I really liked this episode. Although I'm still not sure what to make of it... What was the deal with Angel and Dorothy standing together while Roger was driving and doing the whole first season thing? Was it just me or did Dorothy look really human at that point? Bring on season 3!!

Dorothy and Angel are definitely drawn differently, but I think Dorothy is still an android. Angel blinks a few times, while Dorothy doesn't. I think this is intended to show that Dorothy is still an android. Plus, she's still pale.