Episode 26 Discussion: "The Show Must Go On"
| R.Smith |
11-06-2003 08:36 PM |
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Originally posted by R.Smith
ok, this is for all of u wondering about the differences between the japanese verison and the american one.
I just finished watching both side by side, on my computer, and the only differences i saw where slight editing of mouth moments, and small details such as dastun's hat being on in one scene. There are other small things, such as slowing down of some scenes, like big o sinking in the water, and other scenes are sped up a bit, another scene is zoomed in, etc, etc. I could take screenshots of both, but that's only if u guys really want me to. Anyways, just wanted to let u all know
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so, u guys want me to make some screenshots, i feel like doing it anyway, it's pretty interesting, seeing the changes, right next to eachother
| President Alex Rosewater |
11-06-2003 08:59 PM |
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Originally posted by R.Smith
so, u guys want me to make some screenshots, i feel like doing it anyway, it's pretty interesting, seeing the changes, right next to eachother |
That would be cool.
| R.Smith |
11-06-2003 09:02 PM |
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Originally posted by President Alex Rosewater
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Originally posted by R.Smith
so, u guys want me to make some screenshots, i feel like doing it anyway, it's pretty interesting, seeing the changes, right next to eachother |
That would be cool. |
yay! i was waiting for someone to say go and do it!
| Zopwx2 |
11-06-2003 09:55 PM |
Screenshots rule.
Act 26:
Was a kickass episode in its own right. But didn't answer the majority of the questions to the face value story of big o. In fact it made a whole bunch of new ones.
As opposed to the symbolism and religious subtext plot, I have no idea.
| Big Money |
11-07-2003 07:23 AM |
About the Angel/Lucifer thing...
Roger calls angel a "Fallen Angel" in act 3... Just saying...
| Ormco |
11-07-2003 10:21 PM |
First off, I'll indicate the obvious, and say I'm new here.
I've read through this whole discussion, hoping to gain some enlightenment into the chaos that was episode 26. And really I don't have anything to add in terms of what I think actually happened. However, I have noticed one thing that wasn't pointed out, as far as I know.
In the end, when we see Dorothy and Angel on the street, Dorothy doesn't have the little eye shadow thing under her eyes. *shrug* I don't know, maybe the angle of that shot just made it look that way. But if it was intentional, maybe it gives more credence to the idea that this is a new version of Paradigm, and not just a return to the beginning, since the eye shadow thing is one of the main features of android Dorothy that made her look "inhuman", and thus the omission could indicate that we're viewing a human Dorothy.
Just my two cents.
| YZEtc |
11-08-2003 06:50 AM |
I wonder about Alex's brilliant white suit:
When Big Fau stabbed him in the back with those cables, I would have thought that we would see at least a trace of red seeping from the point of contact.
I mean, he sure let out enough of a wail to indicate that the pointy ends of the cables actually pierced his suit.
Vampirism?
| Preventer Wind |
11-08-2003 07:01 AM |
ya ur right YZ, i found that very odd indeed, it didnt even seem like it effected him at all. ironically i wouldnt be surprised if he was either some sort of cyborg or was not even a real person to begin with.
noteably, i think those roger smith dolls could have been produced for the people who watch the show, maybe so/maybe no
| InsInIfIcant |
11-08-2003 02:37 PM |
It seemed to me that the way Alex was stabed in the back appeared to look alot like Angels scars. I might just be misremebering but Im pretty sure. I wonder if that means anything?
| EricDraven |
11-08-2003 05:17 PM |
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Originally posted by Paradigm Dog
This shows a great example of all the foreshadowing created by the author to stimulate the viewer's mind/imagination. Blow by blow:
(BOLD are still in play for questioning I think in one way or another. Probably missed some, or didn't look at some in the right way however.)
~THE BIG O SEASON 1 QUESTIONS~
1. ROGER THE NEGOTIATOR
- Roger's past involvement with the military police?
- How long has he been out of the service and how did he acquire so much wealth?
- What is Dr Waynewright's connection with Paradigm/Megadeus'?
- Is Roger a religious man? (He prays)
- Why is the megadeus called BIG O?
2. DOROTHY, DOROTHY
-N/A (don't have any specifics points to note)
3. ELECTRIC CITY
- How does the city get its power if the monster creating the energy has been destroyed?
- Why create genetic creatures? (sure they power the dome and later Big Fau, but there's too many experiment records with that old man to just be for that...and Rosewater doesn't even have Fau at this point.)
4. UNDERGROUND TERROR
- Why did Seebach burn all his research/files?
- What did Seebach learn about 40 years ago?
- Is Seebach Swartzwald?
- Why was Roger seeing memories/ghost-like images/his mother? ...(SERIOUSLY UNANSWERED!)
- What's Dorothy's connection to the Megadeus'/robots? (Some kind of universal technology?)
- What was the City Expo ruins about? (Why was their a Megadeus shell there?)
5. BRING BACK MY GHOST
- Are the machines sentient? (Do they react to humans/emotions/thoughts?)
- Hudson River (is this New York?)
- What's the significance of the floating doll in the river?
- No true sun anymore?
6. A LEGACY OF AMADEUS
- Why were experiments in sound being done for the city?
- Was Instro ever a real boy?
- Are the Androids simply there to control the Megadeus'?
7. A VOICE FROM THE PAST (misnamed I believe. Can't look up or thread will vanish.)
- What are the machines with memory/ies?
- Why is Angel so concerned with memories?
- Does Angel really like working for Rosewater, or is their another reason she's doing it?
- Rosewater didn't want the Sea Titan destroyed right away, why?
- Sea Titan looking for its ‘master'?
- Angel's scars? (Wing markings) Is she really human?
- Why is there a city underwater? (What happened 40 years ago to create this mess)
- Who are the mysterious Frogmen working for?
8. MISSING CAT
- What's Dorothy's true connection to the cat?
- What's with the genetic experiments/freaks?
9. BECK COMES BACK
- How deeply are Roger's and Beck's fates intertwined? (showed up in last episode. FINAL STAGE. Not fully explained, but I'll give them some points here)
10. WINTER NIGHT PHANTOM
- Is Dauston's memory a memory of a premonition?
- What's with the balloon symbol?
- Why is Gordon Rosewater out of power? (When did it happen?)
- Why would it be ‘beneficial' for people to know about foreigners? (Rosewater's quote)
- What other world lies beyond the domes?
11. DAEMONSEED
- Scientist and his memory of trees? (Significance?)
- Rosewater's statement about ‘True meaning of Christmas' (hidden meaning?)
- Book of Revelations connection?
- People going to church/singing praise even though they can't remember why. (Meaning?)
- Why is Alex Rosewater truly worried about the city's safety?
12. ENEMY IS ANOTHER BIG!
- How does Angel know the name Shwartzwald?
- Severance pay? (Why so high?)
- JFK point? (Airport?) Reference to New York again? Why would Shwartzwald meet there?
- What is Shwartzwald trying to accomplish? (Why does he want everything destroyed/people to have their memories of 40 years ago back?)
- Why does Big Duo reach for Paradigm/Rosewater (and/or Dorothy) as it 'dies'?
- Where's Angel and Dorothy? (lockers/phone)
13. R-D
- Cast in the name of God, Ye not guilty? (What does this mean?)
- Why are people getting killed all of a sudden (those with memories of 40 years ago)
- Serial #s (Who has them? Does Roger have one? Is that how young people have old memories?)
- What's the electronic coffin about? (Did evil Dorothy awaken from it?)
- Is there more than one Dorothy?
- What does Dorothy find by the couch?
- Roger's subway/fire/doomsday nightmare (a meaningful premonition or memory?)
- Metropolis book (why isn't it finished? Is it waiting for Roger's actions?)
- History of the World book?
- Why empty library?
- How does Roger know of the institute where memories were implanted?
- What does Gordon Rosewater know?
- What is the significance of the tomatoes/tomato juice? (Are people synthetic?)
- "You can do it. You SHOULD be able to do it."?
- ‘Giant Robots running a muck 40 years ago'- LIES?
- Angel and R-D in red, why?)
- Angel: You're not using your megadeus properly (???)
- BIG O acted on its own?
- Rosewater states ‘things are already well under way' (doesn't matter than Roger got the book.)?
- Is Norman in on it? (How can he repair Big O?)
- How can Roger pilot Big O?
- Megadeus': Sacred Chariots of mankind? Something about ‘choices'?
- Why does Angel hold a baloon?
- Who are the mysterious Megadeus' (3) coming from the sea?
- What does Angel mean when she says: "It's too soon. If the power is released now it will be too much.")
Well, that's all I got. 'later |
Well I can give you 2 answers straight from the creator of Big O. Big O gots its name from the creators favorite old b/w anime called "the iron giant"(i migh thave the title wrong) . Whenever the robot would fight a song would play that said "big oh" over and over. Apparently he liked that song alot. As for cast in the name of god quote..that is actually what is inscribed on the sword of conan the barbarian. Another fantasy the creator enjoyed. They might not answer BigO plot related questions but are still interesting.
| The Big Ian |
11-08-2003 05:22 PM |
And according to Season 2, Seebach is Schwarzwald. After Roger receives ol' Crispy's letter, he talks of Schwarzwald while the envelope says Michael Seebach.
The library seems to be empty as The Event, according to the memories shown in R-D, caused the books to burn.
| Zopwx2 |
11-08-2003 06:20 PM |
Rosewater tell the mp's to hold off on destroying dagaon (sea titan) becuase he wanted them to kill some of the people who lived outside the domes. He obvoiusly thinks they are not important.
| Sephlock |
02-08-2004 06:27 PM |
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Originally posted by DominusofMegaDeus
can anyone explain why was dorothy in the control room with angel at the end and said roger the negiotator? |
Wasn't that the name of the first episode?
hes got a point, the first episode was called Roger The Negotiator
| Sephlock |
02-08-2004 06:51 PM |
| Big Duo Fan |
02-08-2004 11:07 PM |
As I recall, the sea creature was consuming the city's power, which is why they didn't want the reactor on.
| Little Fau |
02-09-2004 02:38 AM |
You can tell that's the case -- as soon as the old man shuts down the dam's turbines, the Sea Titan goes lethargic and stops its electricity attack.
However, the Hydra was clearly engineered to produce electricity, as Big Fau's hangar loses power when Vera releases it, and they use a lightning rod to capture its deflected energy attack and jumpstart Big Fau.
| A Clockwork Tomato |
02-09-2004 08:25 AM |
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Originally posted by Little Fau
You can tell that's the case -- as soon as the old man shuts down the dam's turbines, the Sea Titan goes lethargic and stops its electricity attack.
However, the Hydra was clearly engineered to produce electricity, as Big Fau's hangar loses power when Vera releases it, and they use a lightning rod to capture its deflected energy attack and jumpstart Big Fau. |
No, the Hydra STORES electricity, then uses it any way it wants to. In ELECTRIC CITY, this meant that they had to keep the turbines off, or the hydra would suck up enough electricity to do nasty things. In HYDRA, this meant that, when Alex decided he needed a bigger power surge than he could get by diverting all the city's power into Big Fau, he needed to charge up a Hydra over a long period and release its energy over a short one.
| Little Fau |
02-10-2004 02:04 AM |
Ah, I see how that makes more sense.
Did you notice that they Hydra seemed to have "eyes" running all the way down its body, while the "sea titan" didn't? Seems like an odd change to make when they re-engineered it.
| Blackcat |
02-10-2004 02:59 AM |
YAYAY! This rocks! THEY DIDNT CUT THE ENDING!!!!
-B.c.
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