Manga Discussion

How do you mean, interesting?

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Originally posted by badbob001 I just finished vol 6 and THERE HAS TO BE MORE! It seems like they tried to jam a whole season into one volume and many of the bits got lost. I will have to write to VIZ and ask for them to bring out the Lost Memory volumes. Here is the contact info I got from VIZ.com: Mailing Address: VIZ, LLC P.O. BOX 77010 San Francisco, CA 94107 Main Address: VIZ, LLC 655 Bryant St San Francisco, CA 94107

Viz ain't so good about finishing series. After I learned that there isn't any more Black Jack, I nearly went ballistic! It's Tezuka, for godssake. At least finish the stuff by the Master. Bad enough they put it left-to-right. And Big O, too. ROGER DOES NOT YELL INTO A WATCH ON HIS RIGHT HAND.

Bloody bad news this no more Big O! Too much cookie-cutter shojo and shonen crap out there. Put your ten dollars where it counts, man.

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Originally posted by Dragon Tyrant How do you mean, interesting?

I don't know how much you've read but let me put it this way...
there is a scene where the bad guys seem to have one over on Roger but he pulls it out in the end. The way he is drawn is very compelling to me. The caption helps too.
I'm not going to do anything special with it. Just clean up the backround and center the caption. Just for fun. May be as an sig... since mine isn't looking so good

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Originally posted by Dork Where was this summary?

link

And this appears to be a draft of the above posting... and it may reveal some different information: link

On this site [edit: link removed --Almasy], which is full of ADULT (ie, you better be 18 and over) Big O pictures, there is a short japanese comic with Roger and Dorothy. Does anyone have its translation? It's under the MANGA section and is the link is called "Roger Smith".

Oh my God! That comic is so funny!

Of course, I just look at the pictures...

I wish someone could translate it.

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Originally posted by badbob001 On this site [edit: link removed --Almasy], which is full of ADULT (ie, you better be 18 and over) Big O pictures, there is a short japanese comic with Roger and Dorothy. Does anyone have its translation? It's under the MANGA section and is the link is called "Roger Smith".

After extensive study, I have placed that story in the "Piano Lesson" doujinshi. I don't have a translation. The main story in that 'zine seems to be based on a joke from Amadeus. Decidedly NC-17.

Pygmalion

I have finally gotten volume 6.

*one random yay is heard*

Yeah I've been out of the loop when it comes to the manga for a while, but I got volume 6 and am borrowing the past volumes from my friend.

I have but one question. At the end of book 6 there is a picture to the left hand side of the picture that says 'The End' I can't seem to make out what that is. Anybody know?

::random fit of bragging:: my vol. 6 might be waitting for me at home as we speak.

::crosses fingers:: please be there, vol. 6. I'm so desperate. I need more Dorothyness. . . even if she does

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die

grr. . .

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Originally posted by angelcakes I have but one question. At the end of book 6 there is a picture to the left hand side of the picture that says 'The End' I can't seem to make out what that is. Anybody know?

You mean the picture on the page before Mr. Ariga's little biographic sketch, right? The enormous dark room with the rug in the middle is the second floor of Smith Mansion; the little panelled area at the end of the rug is Roger's office. The hulking shapes to either side are teller's booths (you get a pretty good view of them in "Missing Cat" when Dorothy is mopping in front of one).

If you have the art book, the sketch for the anime is on pg. 85, the middle picture in the top row.

Pygmalion

Oops. I guess that is considered an obscene link. Sorry.

For those who have read vol 6, don't you think there isn't much of a transition between it and vol 5? It seemed almost as if the author suddenly realized that the show is over and he only has one volume to sychrnonize the plots between the manga and the anime. This seem to have left the story with forced character developments and an abrupt ending. Having seen the summary for some of the stories in the Lost Memory volumes that take place after vol 5, perhaps it's a way for the author to smooth out the transition to vol 6? Can anyone confirm if the Lost Memory volumes fit between 5 and 6 or do they totally replace 6?

::intermintedly flipping through vol. 6::

. . . God, Angel, quit being a bitch. . .

There are some seriously kick ass images in this book. I love how it jumps around the event's of Dorothy's attack. Very artful. I know we'll probably never get a sequel to this title but I think the ending is somewhat hopeful. Dastun looks like he's certain that Dora dead but the look on Roger's face gives me hope. It's like he's thinking 'I know you're not alright right now, but I'll find away'.

Lovely. Without a doubt my favorite in the Big O series so far.

I haven't read straight through the book yet but it kinda looks like it's asking for a sequel. It has a similar feel to the end of 'R-D', although it doesn't ask the same questions it seems to be calling for an ending in it's own way.



muchlove
-dork

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Originally posted by Dork ::random fit of bragging:: my vol. 6 might be waitting for me at home as we speak. ::crosses fingers:: please be there, vol. 6. I'm so desperate. I need more Dorothyness. . . even if she does spoiler (highlight to read): die grr. . .

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What? Are you kidding? What havoc I shall unleash upon the producers and writers of the manga series! A moment of silence for Dorothy. ** Waits ten seconds ** What were we waiting for again?

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Originally posted by Tony quote: Originally posted by Dork ::random fit of bragging:: my vol. 6 might be waitting for me at home as we speak. ::crosses fingers:: please be there, vol. 6. I'm so desperate. I need more Dorothyness. . . even if she does spoiler (highlight to read): die grr. . . spoiler (highlight to read): What? Are you kidding? What havoc I shall unleash upon the producers and writers of the manga series! A moment of silence for Dorothy. ** Waits ten seconds ** What were we waiting for again?

Honey, I love you like a crazy older brother (or the manical cousin I never had) but what are you talking about?

Should we band together into a makeshift army and meet up over at the airport for a flight over to japan where we will then go knocking on Hitoshi Ariga's door and ask him nicely to please continue the manga? If so, I concur.

But to conserve resources I say we should see if we could perhaps have ourselves shipped over in wooden crates.



-dork

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Originally posted by Dork quote: Originally posted by Tony quote: Originally posted by Dork ::random fit of bragging:: my vol. 6 might be waitting for me at home as we speak. ::crosses fingers:: please be there, vol. 6. I'm so desperate. I need more Dorothyness. . . even if she does spoiler (highlight to read): die grr. . . spoiler (highlight to read): What? Are you kidding? What havoc I shall unleash upon the producers and writers of the manga series! A moment of silence for Dorothy. ** Waits ten seconds ** What were we waiting for again? Honey, I love you like a crazy older brother (or the manical cousin I never had) but what are you talking about? Should we band together into a makeshift army and meet up over at the airport for a flight over to japan where we will then go knocking on Hitoshi Ariga's door and ask him nicely to please continue the manga? If so, I concur. But to conserve resources I say we should see if we could perhaps have ourselves shipped over in wooden crates. -dork

** Grabs Dork by the hand. **

Come on, little sis. We got some Hitoshi Ariga's butt to kick!

Spare no expense, I think oak crates would suit us nicely.

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Originally posted by Tony quote: Originally posted by Dork quote: Originally posted by Tony quote: Originally posted by Dork ::random fit of bragging:: my vol. 6 might be waitting for me at home as we speak. ::crosses fingers:: please be there, vol. 6. I'm so desperate. I need more Dorothyness. . . even if she does spoiler (highlight to read): die grr. . . spoiler (highlight to read): What? Are you kidding? What havoc I shall unleash upon the producers and writers of the manga series! A moment of silence for Dorothy. ** Waits ten seconds ** What were we waiting for again? Honey, I love you like a crazy older brother (or the manical cousin I never had) but what are you talking about? Should we band together into a makeshift army and meet up over at the airport for a flight over to japan where we will then go knocking on Hitoshi Ariga's door and ask him nicely to please continue the manga? If so, I concur. But to conserve resources I say we should see if we could perhaps have ourselves shipped over in wooden crates. -dork ** Grabs Dork by the hand. ** Come on, little sis. We got some Hitoshi Ariga's butt to kick! Spare no expense, I think oak crates would suit us nicely.

Take me with you! I was horrified at the last scene of the story, it left me disatisfied and thinking, 'Now what?' And guys if you're going to go kick his butt make sure you don't hurt him too bad, otherwise he won't be able to write another volume

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And bring Dorothy back.

And about the pic... is that what it was?

*looks at it*

I guess it looked a little familar. Oh and Dork speaking of Angel being a beotch;

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I can't believe she melted the Griffin. I cried when I saw it flames

How could she Evil she is, EVIL!!!

So after reading vol. 6, what do you guys think? Is Roger in love with Dorothy?

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Angel certainly seemed to think he was.

And what about the moral implications if he is. In the back on the first manga there was an interview and someone said that what he liked about Big O is that the characters are all lone wolves.

In the manga's oppinion androids and humans are like two seperate species entirely. A human could no better understand an android's motivations than a android could know what it's like to be human.

Dorothy still might be capable of higher emotions. But it looks like what the writers are trying to get at is that by falling in love with Wayneright's toy that he is becoming even more of a lone wolf.

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He spazes out majorly, more than manga Roger's done before, when he realizes he's destroyed Dorothy's disc and afterward is willing to give up. What the writers might be trying to show is Roger falling within himself and becoming more of a lone wolf. If Dorothy is not capable of emotions, if she doesn't have a soul does that make Roger any different from social mole? Only reacting to inside forces and ignoring the real world? Roger continues to fight Big Four and Angel even with Big O coming apart, he ignores Norman's plea to fall back, compelled to continue fighting by some force he doesn't even understand.

There seems to be an emotional gap in the characters between vol 5 and 6. Dorothy still might be capable of higher emotions.

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The evidence for this is in the end of vol 6 where Dora gets up on her own to see Roger. Of course this might also just have been showing us the mystery associated with pre-event tech. Manga Dorothy seems to operate very much on logic. Roger tells her she needs to be more compassionate so when she shes the artist on the street it seems logical to her to give him wine and bread (hey, maybe Dora is french. . .). If Dorothy had had her memories she might have gone to see Roger because it was the logical thing to do. Of course I might just be a calous be-otch myself for saying that. We really don't know if manga Dorothy's emotional or not. She looks and acts younger than her anime counterpart so that may have something to do with it too.

And now to null and void everything I just typed out:

I'm not convinced that manga Roger's love for Dorothy is the same as his anime counterpart's. I think it's more of a little sister/big brother thing.

DISCUSS!




Please?
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One thing's certain in all this:

This is one freaky manga/anime. It's like two groups of people were given information, bios and a light time-line for a story and from there both groups were basically allowed to do whatever the hell they felt like with it regardless of the plans of the other group. And they steal from each other left and right. It looks like the whole Dorothy's stolen memory/Roger's megadeus fight in act 26 of the anime was taken from vol. 6 of the manga but then the anime people took some liberties with the story. It's like a being given permission to plagerize.

::is conflicted and sorta jealous::



-dork

Certainly in the jump to vol 6, Roger suddenly develops more emotional ties to Dorothy, whereas previously, he hardly noticed her above that of a coffee-destroying maid. The manga lacks the gradual character development of the anime. In the short comic in the back, Hitoshi Ariga mentions that only after watching the anime did he think Dorothy was an interesting character.

I suspect that with vol 6, Hitoshi Ariga is using the anime as a crutch to support his rush to get it finished... I mean, only those that watched the anime would think Roger and Dorothy have any feelings for each other. Perhaps Dork is right... in the manga, it may just be a sister/brother relationship and Roger is just really mad that someone is messing with his family. And the anime shows him as the type to not let any obligations unfulfilled, which in this case would be his promise to protect Dorothy. And Gordon Rosewater appears in the end without any introduction or background... again, only those who watch the anime would know who he is or his significance.

I certainly hope everything is filled in with the Lost Memory volumes... at least we get to see how Dorothy gets her non-black nightgown.

Jeeze...you guys are really tied up in this Dorothy thing...what about Big Fau? The ghosts of Beck and Schwarzwald? And what exactly happened to Angel? Don't forget Big O's new triple pump arms!
You guys are missing all the cool aspects of this comic!

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Originally posted by Wazpy Jeeze...you guys are really tied up in this Dorothy thing...what about Big Fau? The ghosts of Beck and Schwarzwald? And what exactly happened to Angel? Don't forget Big O's new triple pump arms! You guys are missing all the cool aspects of this comic!

You have your cool aspects of the show/manga, I have mine.

I spent 3 years in a rigorous creative writing program. I love character development. It's mah thang.