Angel. ***HUGE SPOILERS***

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Originally posted by Megadeus spoiler (highlight to read): I believe what sixfortyfive was saying was this: According to this phrase: "A bird whose wings have been plucked will shed all its feathers and turn into the beast it was before it evolved into a bird" Angel turned into Big Venus. What I'm saying goes along with this way of thinking: Vera turned into the Behemoth in Act 25. We see her fall into a deep pit right after she clicks the switch for some type of explosive. After this scene we see Big O rising out of the ground holding a HUGE robot/megadeus construct. After Big O/Behemoth has risen all the way the camera pans up to the ceiling of the dome (The ones with the studio lights on it) and pieces fall off and destroy the Behemoth that Big O was holding. As the Behemoth is destroyed we hear screams which I believe are Vera's (Behemoth=Vera getting destroyed=screams we hear). Somehow Angel transforms into Big Venus. I believe the same thing happens to Vera. She transforms into the Behemoth. Maybe this is how ALL of the Megadeus's are created - They are transformed humans. If left connected long enough (Like Alex with Big Fau) a human would BECOME that Megadeus. Remember my clips showing Alan getting "Absorbed" by Big Duo Inferno ( I like that name)? Perhaps THIS is what happens to Dominus's after they have been connected long enough. Roger probably didn't see the need to "Connect" (Another one of my clips from Act 26) so he told Big O he didn't what to. Alex, on the other hand, WANTED to be powerful and God like, so, he was connected. Just my thoughts, being built upon sixfortyfive's ideas. Correct me if I'm wrong sixfortyfive

If thats so

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Big O could be a reincarnation of Major Smith explaining the special connection with both Roger and Dorothy.

Am I close?

*adds some numbers up on an old adding machine*
IT JUST DON'T ADD UP!!!!
O_O

I don't get it HOW?!?! WHY!!! @_@ *unconscious* x_x;;;

SOmeone explain to me how does all of that ACTUALLY SOUND LOGICAL?!?! :-S Humans...Megadueses....Behemoth!?!? X_X;;;; ARGH!!


Someone PM me...I am EXTREMELY confused

Nobody said anything about logic! Ahahahah!

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Originally posted by GummiBear289 If thats so spoiler (highlight to read): Big O could be a reincarnation of Major Smith explaining the special connection with both Roger and Dorothy. Am I close?

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**IF** this is correct going by what sixfortyfive was hinting at then, YES, you would be very close if not 100% correct. BTW: Even I didn't think of that one

Megadeus spoiler of Sixfortyfive's theories -

o_O!!!!!!!!!!!

HOLY FREAKING SMEGGING CRUD IN A FLIPPING BUCKET SIDE ORDERED WITH PINK ICE CREAM ON A CRUMPET!!!

It makes sense to me ... *runs back to third part of fanfic like a maniac*

Dear God, with all these confusing statements, Big O looks like another EVA...

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Originally posted by Big Doo-Oh spoiler (highlight to read): people turning in to megadeus' seems to be a tad....weird in my opinion maybe if it was on a more metaphorical level...that the previous alex,once connected, has their soul or essence put into the big

That sounds reasonable also. At this point I'm open for any ideas!

O_o omg....

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that could be why Big O is black, Fau white and has that curve on the back of its head like alex's hair, as for big duo, its head sorta resmbles schwarzwald ^-~;;;

I did mention a while ago that the Megadei resembled their pilots.

I just didn't expect in THAT way!

*needs to add a Mike Seebach to third fanfic* Oh, crud ... well, maybe THIS will work ...

*turns into a Megadeus* Hey, let me out! I don't wanna be a smeggin' Megadeus!

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Originally posted by Big Fau O_o omg.... spoiler (highlight to read): that could be why Big O is black, Fau white and has that curve on the back of its head like alex's hair, as for big duo, its head sorta resmbles schwarzwald ^-~;;;

At least it matched his clown face (Black/White) with opposite White/Black stripes (All from Act 12)

Wow. I'm pretty sure a lot of us had different parts of the same idea.

With all this talk about "core memories" of the Bigs, I had thought that that may imply that the Bigs indeed have their own memories of their former pilots from before 40 years ago (but until now it hadn't crossed my mind that those memories might actually be those that originally belonged to each's former Dominus), and Gordon Rosewater reincarnates them as "tomatoes" so that they can once again operate together as a single unit.

Now here's a new question: Why is R Dorothy the key? What was the true nature of Tim Wayneright's profession before the Event?

I think those scars are there because Angels "mother" was a child abuser.

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Originally posted by Megadeus quote: Originally posted by Big Fau O_o omg.... spoiler (highlight to read): that could be why Big O is black, Fau white and has that curve on the back of its head like alex's hair, as for big duo, its head sorta resmbles schwarzwald ^-~;;; At least it matched his clown face (Black/White) with opposite White/Black stripes (All from Act 12)

Black and white stripes! I never noticed that before. Who is it that wears black and white stripes now?

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Alan Gabriel

I think that "TV room" in the final minutes is the a different reality than Paradigm City. I'm also beginning to think that the Roger & Dorothy we see in that scene are either the exact same people sitting in Big O at that very moment transcending across two dimensions or something, or perhaps just some weird symbollic connection between the three characters or simply wishful thinking on Angel's behalf... Either that or you've got the same scene being portrayed two ways: Roger negotiating with the "Angel" Big Venus in Paradigm City, and "Roger the Negotiator" confronting/comforting Angel.

Also, in mythology, I'm pretty sure Venus is the Goddess of Love and bringer of peace, which makes sense because Big Venus reverses the chaos created by Alex and Roger.

Furthermore, some of these discussions are once again making me reconsider the meaning behind the phrase "Cast in the name of God." Gordon could very well be the God figure in Paradigm, and his tomatoes created, or "cast," in his name.

Hell, since I'm in an edit-happy mood anyway, I might as well add the following:

A friend of mine and I had a discussion about this last night. We figure that the War of Paradigm City could very well be the Rapture, with God's son (Alex) saving only those who believe in him from the apocalypse. (No offense directed towards anybody here; they're just theories.) I forgot about a lot of the specifics we talked about, and I'm no Bible scholar, so elaborate on this as you like.

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Originally posted by Megadeus spoiler (highlight to read): I believe what sixfortyfive was saying was this: According to this phrase: "A bird whose wings have been plucked will shed all its feathers and turn into the beast it was before it evolved into a bird" Angel turned into Big Venus. What I'm saying goes along with this way of thinking: Vera turned into the Behemoth in Act 25. We see her fall into a deep pit right after she clicks the switch for some type of explosive. After this scene we see Big O rising out of the ground holding a HUGE robot/megadeus construct. After Big O/Behemoth has risen all the way the camera pans up to the ceiling of the dome (The ones with the studio lights on it) and pieces fall off and destroy the Behemoth that Big O was holding. As the Behemoth is destroyed we hear screams which I believe are Vera's (Behemoth=Vera getting destroyed=screams we hear). Somehow Angel transforms into Big Venus. I believe the same thing happens to Vera. She transforms into the Behemoth. Maybe this is how ALL of the Megadeus's are created - They are transformed humans. If left connected long enough (Like Alex with Big Fau) a human would BECOME that Megadeus. Remember my clips showing Alan getting "Absorbed" by Big Duo Inferno ( I like that name)? Perhaps THIS is what happens to Dominus's after they have been connected long enough. Roger probably didn't see the need to "Connect" (Another one of my clips from Act 26) so he told Big O he didn't what to. Alex, on the other hand, WANTED to be powerful and God like, so, he was connected. Just my thoughts, being built upon sixfortyfive's ideas.

Very cool theory that ties into some things I have been thinking about.

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During boot up the megadeuces read the minds/memories of the dominus. They need to do that for the guilty/not guilty check. They keep a copy of those memories and merge it into their own. This way they can identify their Dominus immediately upon later contacts. These merged personalities alter the base personality of each megadeuce, which becomes the sum of that personality and the personalities of any earlier pilots. A pilot with a particularly strong personality would tend over time to dominate the behavior (and apparently the appearance) of the megadeuce. Rather than the human "becoming" the megadeuce, its the human and the robot merging together to become something more powerful than either separately. The flow of memory/personality is in both directions, it's possible a pilot with a weak personality could be overwhelmed. This has interesting implications for Alex Rosewater and his quest to become Dominus of Big Fau. At first he hacks Big Fau by removing its conscience circuit, so that it wont judge him. (He knows he is evil) But this doesn't work so good, and the amoral Big Fau that results runs amok and has to be shut down by Big O. Based on the spoiler clips I've seen, Alex next reinstallls Big Fau's conscience circuit, and steals components from Dorothy to build a lying circuit. (That weird device seen above his head) This enables the evil Alex to look "not guilty" to Big Fau, and a fully functional Big is the result. Well...almost. Remember the flow is both ways. So Alex is getting input and personality modification from Fau that reverses good and evil. And this definitely will make him more insane than he already was. What Alex does with Big Duo is really clever and evil. He gives Duo to Alan Gabriel, which keeps Alan from killing him, allows him to observe the results of a "guilty" verdict, and hopefully will soften up Big O before Alex attacks with Big Fau. (That last is shaky, since I haven't seen enough spoiler clips to be sure this is gonna happen.) I'll say this again, one of the MAJOR themes of the show is the merger of human and robot on various levels. This would have been more obvious if the word megadeuce was spelled like megadeuce instead of megadeus (sorry megadeus ) The megadeuces are all dual creatures. Nobody in the show ever refers to plural megadeuces as megadei. And megadeus should be pronounced like Amadeus, that is, with a "day-us" ending. (Could everyone in Paradigm have bad grammar?) Also the megadeus spelling has generated a lot of odd Judeo-Christian associations in peoples minds, which probably were not intended by the authors, since it would be presumptuous to start making up fables involving religion.

Not bad Trusedale, but there are *heavy* Christain themes present in this show. Need I refer you to Heaven's Day? Or Day of the Advent? Or Angel?

"Megadeus" and "Dominus" are mispronounced because they're using Japanese phonetics instead of Latin.

I use 'Megadei' by choice. I choose to walk in the rain without an umbrella!

So Hee-hee.

(Although I do agree with most of your theories, R. Truesdale.)

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Originally posted by Sixfortyfive ...I'll have you know that I've seen 25 & 26 in their entirety, and I can pick up a fair amount of Japanese dialogue. Roger CLEARLY calls Big Venus "Angel." You don't even have to understand Japanese to hear it. You're pretty dense about the Leviathan/Behemoth thing, as well as others. Who says it can't be metaphorical? Who says that the Leviathan can't be the archetype/predecessor of Big Fau, or the Behemoth that of Big O? When Vera said that God allowed them to live, I seriously doubt she was referring to two shoddy Megadeuses, one of which never actually fights.

I had thought the Behemoth to be that

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yellow robot like machine that Big O heaves up in the air in the fourth of Megadeus' clips for War of Paradigm City. Something underground that would have been a last attempt of the foreigners to raise hell over Paradigm City...thus the signal she sent out during Twisted Memories