Guess what I heard!

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Originally posted by Nightmare If taking a picture of a parking space is art, then anime can be art too. That's all I'll say!

You're doing it all wrong.

You have to take pictures of benches from all concievable angles.

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Originally posted by Frost Is it that you have no appreciation for art outside your own culture? Or do you have a problem with generalization? Maybe you've never attempted to look beyond the surface of anything, without a teaching slapping a ruler on your desk.

Yeah man you must really know me and my views of art. Wait you've been here two days, so you don't. Don't generalize me as shallow if you don't even know who I am.

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Hey man, it's true that a lot of anime is there for a quick buck. However there's a lot out there that attempts to relay ideas, messages, emotions, etc. There is a lot of anime-styled (in lineart form only, usually. Often times the artists get more detailed with their work since it's stationary) art out there that attempts to relay ideas, emotions and messages as well.

Show me some.

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In a way, this reminds me of when impressionism and modern art came into the mainstream. Remember how horribly it was denounced? Impressionist was originally an insult, after all. How many artists died starving due to the fact they created works of art that were not considered such are now widely considered to be masters? Heh.

Is Walt Disney considered an artist now? No. Anime is a cartoon. Quit trying to justify to yourself than it's anything more than that. I'm not saying the plots aren't good, etc., but it's something manufactured for commercial appeal.

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Hey, you seem the type to know. Is this art?

Oh yeah, I'm the type. Read above, and get lost.

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it's something manufactured for commercial appeal.

So I'm guessing the Pietà isn't really art then because it was commissioned, nor were...myriad other works.

I pretty much agree with everything else that you said, but this whole "If money is involved at all it becomes all commercialized and devoid of artistic merit" line of thinking never really made much sense.

Oh unless we're talking thomas kincade, then yeah I can understand saying it. Or whoever painted those dogs playing poker..then again I just hate that

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so what we sopost to draw thundercat style now?

Yes thats the answer. Rip off a childrens show from the 1980s.

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I think the reason behind the bans are either 1) horrible steriotyping

Frankly I'm surprised we managed to get this far before delving into "it's a symptom of this looming and nebulous BIAS western society has against anime!". By my count it was something like ten posts, usually on a message board it's 4 at the max before that comes up.

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If taking a picture of a parking space is art

"Look! I can operate the shutter on a camera! I'M THE NEW ANSEL ADAMS!". I'm not saying the internet caused this mindset but I'm going to go on record as believing it's done a good job perpetuating it.

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Originally posted by Mr. D You're doing it all wrong. You have to take pictures of benches from all concievable angles.

Don't forget taking pictures of Horseface.

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Originally posted by Sharpshooter005 quote: it's something manufactured for commercial appeal. So I'm guessing the Pietà isn't really art then because it was commissioned, nor were...myriad other works. I pretty much agree with everything else that you said, but this whole "If money is involved at all it becomes all commercialized and devoid of artistic merit" line of thinking never really made much sense. Oh unless we're talking thomas kincade, then yeah I can understand saying it. Or whoever painted those dogs playing poker..then again I just hate that

There really is a difference though. Patrons commission art to glorify themselves, an idea, event, etc. Of course, that's how the artist makes money back in the day. But patrons generally don't commission art for the sole purpose of selling it at a later date. They aren't hoping it will be the next masterpiece and be able to make a huge sum of money off of it. Whereas the drawings for Anime and Manga are used to make the money. Both authors get paid, both are commissioned, but the difference is in the motive of the patron.

A little story you might find hard to believe:

Last year we had to choose a book to do a report on at the end of the quarter. The student behind me asked if she could use a manga for the book report. To my surprise, the teacher said "Ok, as long as there's enough detail in the story to make a good book report". No I'm not kidding, apparently in this case manga was acceptable for a high school book report!

One of those unexpected yet awsome moments.

Your teacher sucks?

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Originally posted by Travis Bickle Your teacher sucks?

I was kind of thinking the same thing.

What teacher that wants to be respected and taken seriously allows comic books, let alone manga, to be used in a book report for school?

Also, I'm curious, what manga was it?
Peace.

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Originally posted by Nine XXVI Also, I'm curious, what manga was it? Peace.

I forgot. I think the student decided on using something else for the book report anyway.

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What teacher that wants to be respected and taken seriously allows comic books, let alone manga, to be used in a book report for school?

One that thought it would be interesting to see what would happen because it something that hasn't been done before.


Is it just me, or is this forum becoming more and more acidic?

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Originally posted by paul1290 Is it just me, or is this forum becoming more and more acidic?

The reason you can't say anything around here is because you get criticised for everything you say. If I were a new member and I saw some of the posts here, I would be afraid to add anything new.

Or maybe people just aren't interested in saying anything until there is a conflict. Maybe some people get their kicks by creating conflicts on an online forum.

Maybe people have different opinions and don't need to sugarcoat what they want to say?

I think it's a no-brainer that, if your teacher lets you use manga/comics to write a serious book report, then the teacher sucks.

No wonder they lowered the passing grade and the SAT scores fell so sharply.

I'm sorta split, I think that if we can call po-mo art, then anime should be considered art and be allowed to enter. However, I don't think that it should be able to beat out something like a traditional painting. Many people that draw anime, if you ask them to draw a more realistic image, or to color in a more realistic style, they'll either refuse to do it or wind up with a load. Compared to realsim, anime is almost an "easy way out" to alot of people.

As for dA, I used it yeah, but it's more and more gaining a "if you draw anime, no matter how bad, people will swoon over you and we'll give you free goodies!" mentality.

Noobie conflict post +1

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Originally posted by paul1290 quote: What teacher that wants to be respected and taken seriously allows comic books, let alone manga, to be used in a book report for school? One that thought it would be interesting to see what would happen because it something that hasn't been done before.

Most of them would probably rather you know..do their job in a way that won't probably come back to bite them, than they would pull some sort of dead poets society-esque stunt.

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Originally posted by Nine XXVI quote: Originally posted by Travis Bickle Your teacher sucks? I was kind of thinking the same thing. What teacher that wants to be respected and taken seriously allows comic books, let alone manga, to be used in a book report for school? Also, I'm curious, what manga was it? Peace.

I'd like to see the teacher that wouldn't accept a report on the Road to Perdition.

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Originally posted by Mr. D quote: Originally posted by Nine XXVI quote: Originally posted by Travis Bickle Your teacher sucks? I was kind of thinking the same thing. What teacher that wants to be respected and taken seriously allows comic books, let alone manga, to be used in a book report for school? Also, I'm curious, what manga was it? Peace. I'd like to see the teacher that wouldn't accept a report on the Road to Perdition.

It's still a graphic novel (though a very good one). Although serious, it's in the same vein as comic books.

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Originally posted by Mr. D quote: Originally posted by Nine XXVI quote: Originally posted by Travis Bickle Your teacher sucks? I was kind of thinking the same thing. What teacher that wants to be respected and taken seriously allows comic books, let alone manga, to be used in a book report for school? Also, I'm curious, what manga was it? Peace. I'd like to see the teacher that wouldn't accept a report on the Road to Perdition.

I'm sure I can find you an entire rooms worth.