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Originally posted by 088nd quote: Originally posted by Sara Comatori Some school are not allowing Students to enter Anime in Art Contest. Good, Anime isn't art. It doesn't have the purpose to make a statement art does. It's just a pictorial form of the storyline being presented.

Anime is many forms of art. The don't allow it. The don't allow any form of Anime or Manga looking art at Many School contests...And yes...this is happening at my school beacuse the Art Committee is single minded.

I've worked really hard at what I do and I figure out that I can't even enter my art.

My talent is wasted...for those of you who care...

so what we sopost to draw thundercat style now?

I think question is, why should we care if anime style art isn't allowed? Really, I would like to know, and from the start I wonder how Deviant Art even figured into this.

screw that il keep drawing anime and hentai until the day im hanged

Meh.

I honestly prefer artists like Adam Hughes, Gil Kane, and Jack Kirby to the works of Kosuke Fujishima, Shirow Masamune, and Rumiko Takahashi.

However, that is not to say I do not immensely appreciate the three manga artists for their unique differences in style and approach.

I simply enjoy the old-school Western artists more.

I'm not...I love my art and my style...And I'm sticking to it...
AND DIE!!! Hehe...I'm going to die alone but know I changed the world in a big way...

Gaddes: dA got worked in because someone brought up how dA folk wouldn't like this and people responed with how dA isn't respected by the art community.

If you ask me, talent is not measured in how well you can draw in a given style, but how well you can discover your own.

Ah. I see now.

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If you ask me, talent is not measured in how well you can draw in a given style, but how well you can discover your own.

Very True.

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Originally posted by 088nd quote: Originally posted by Sara Comatori Some school are not allowing Students to enter Anime in Art Contest. Good, Anime isn't art. It doesn't have the purpose to make a statement art does. It's just a pictorial form of the storyline being presented.

Generalization is a horrible, horrible thing. It blunts accuracy.

Anime, just like most anything else in life, has the potential to relay a message, idea or emotion that art strives to. In that sense, it CAN be art. If course, that requires going beneith the surface of an image. Truly exploring it. Granted, it's the same process any other piece of art would have to go through. It should be no more difficult. Unfortunately, it is due to oversaturation.

Often there is a set "idea" about what anime is - just like there is a set idea about what impressionist era art or gothic era art is - except their hasn't been enough time for unique styles to truly set into everyone's minds. Comparing, say, Megatokyo art to Applegeeks art or Earthsong art will help to further that point, somewhat. Of course, you could also compare Full Metal Alchemist to Big O to FLCL to Ranma to, I dunno, Dragon Ball Z.

Wait wait, those don't convey any deeper meanings, do they? They do, actually. There is a message behind them - well, at least, behind the first three. I've yet to watch Ranma and if Dragon Ball Z has a message it's about as important as Napoleon Dynamite.

It is interesting to see schools deny anime and totally understandable. Kids have a tendancy to mimic and mirror, not create. There probably is a lot of stuff that is both unimagined and blatantly copied. It's definitely the majority of anime-styled art in america, though certainly not all of it everywhere. Eh, I think it's a good decision... I just worry that they're opting for kids to learn simply ONE style of art instead of another.

Anime and Manga are equal to American Cartoons and Comic books. If you try too look at it more in depth than that, then you're taking it too seriously.

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Originally posted by Travis Bickle Anime and Manga are equal to American Cartoons and Comic books. If you try too look at it more in depth than that, then you're taking it too seriously.

I'll give you that. Manga and anime tend to be on that level, yes, but that doesn't mean a deeper meaning cannot be conveyed through the medium or the style. It also doesn't mean no one ever attempted to, will attempt to or are attempting to.

And besides, you should take things such as that too seriously. Pulling meanings out of nothing is an excellent exercise in thinking.

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Originally posted by Frost quote: Originally posted by Travis Bickle Anime and Manga are equal to American Cartoons and Comic books. If you try too look at it more in depth than that, then you're taking it too seriously. I'll give you that. Manga and anime tend to be on that level, yes, but that doesn't mean a deeper meaning cannot be conveyed through the medium or the style. It also doesn't mean no one ever attempted to, will attempt to or are attempting to. And besides, you should take things such as that too seriously. Pulling meanings out of nothing is an excellent exercise in thinking.

Some of it is meant to stand as an achievement in storytelling. Most of it is churned out like most Hollywood movies.

But, I mean, if you try to live your life like Alucard and do nothing but draw him doing things that his charachter wouldn't normally do, then you really don't belong here, on this planet, with this species. I'd go on a rant about how this also pertains to why I hate Harry Potter fanatics (and those that do Snape fanfics and the like), but I don't have the time or will power.

And if anyone ever tries to compare Death Note to Watchmen, I'll kill them in front of their entire family.

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Originally posted by Travis Bickle quote: Originally posted by Frost quote: Originally posted by Travis Bickle Anime and Manga are equal to American Cartoons and Comic books. If you try too look at it more in depth than that, then you're taking it too seriously. I'll give you that. Manga and anime tend to be on that level, yes, but that doesn't mean a deeper meaning cannot be conveyed through the medium or the style. It also doesn't mean no one ever attempted to, will attempt to or are attempting to. And besides, you should take things such as that too seriously. Pulling meanings out of nothing is an excellent exercise in thinking. And if anyone ever tries to compare Death Note to Watchmen, I'll kill them in front of their entire family.

I'll get to work on it. ;D

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Is it that you have no appreciation for art outside your own culture? Or do you have a problem with generalization? Maybe you've never attempted to look beyond the surface of anything, without a teaching slapping a ruler on your desk.

Hey man, it's true that a lot of anime is there for a quick buck. However there's a lot out there that attempts to relay ideas, messages, emotions, etc. There is a lot of anime-styled (in lineart form only, usually. Often times the artists get more detailed with their work since it's stationary) art out there that attempts to relay ideas, emotions and messages as well.

In a way, this reminds me of when impressionism and modern art came into the mainstream. Remember how horribly it was denounced? Impressionist was originally an insult, after all. How many artists died starving due to the fact they created works of art that were not considered such are now widely considered to be masters? Heh.


Hey, you seem the type to know. Is this art?

I think they don't let anime in an art contest simply because they don't have a reliable way of judging it yet.

Too many schools have art contests that try to include all styles of art when they really should be put into seperate catagories. Trying to judge different styles of art in one contest usually doesn't work very well at all because one style of drawing might be given an unfair advantage depending on what's considered popular at the time.

Anime just gets the short end of the stick because, for one..Naruto is what people think of when they think anime, and Naruto just sucks. And for two..anime isn't even a "style"..it's just cartoons. But since there are alot of fangirls that draw/trace Inuyasha, they give the other artists a bad name!

I draw "anime/manga" style for my characters..but oh well, at least I don't watch FLCL!

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Originally posted by Frost [...] Is it that you have no appreciation for art outside your own culture? Or do you have a problem with generalization? Maybe you've never attempted to look beyond the surface of anything, without a teaching slapping a ruler on your desk. Hey man, it's true that a lot of anime is there for a quick buck. However there's a lot out there that attempts to relay ideas, messages, emotions, etc. There is a lot of anime-styled (in lineart form only, usually. Often times the artists get more detailed with their work since it's stationary) art out there that attempts to relay ideas, emotions and messages as well. In a way, this reminds me of when impressionism and modern art came into the mainstream. Remember how horribly it was denounced? Impressionist was originally an insult, after all. How many artists died starving due to the fact they created works of art that were not considered such are now widely considered to be masters? Heh. Hey, you seem the type to know. Is this art?

Your arguments aren't valid to even the slightest degree. Hell, the majority of all artists studied and loved by art students and those in the art world are foreign artists. But they paint. They don't make cartoons. Trying to draw a giant robot is a hell of a lot easier of trying to paint another Mona Lisa. The Mona Lisa is art. It's in the f***ing Louvre. The best cel of anime can't even get into MoMA if the artist tried. Get over it, and yourself.

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Originally posted by Nightmare I draw "anime/manga" style for my characters..but oh well, at least I don't watch FLCL!

But you should, especially if you're taking the "anime = art" side of the argument.

Anime and manga, like movies, are a medium dependent on time and the progression of time. One cel of anime or one frame of manga is not supposed to convey all of the emotion or meaning of the overall work. Because most people are familiar with these styles within the context of an overall work, perhaps that is why they are taken as seriously as other styles of art.

Art is so subjective, I don't think it's fair to compare the worst examples of "real" art to the best examples of anime, Frost.

If taking a picture of a parking space is art, then anime can be art too. That's all I'll say!