Which next generation DVD format do you think is best?

Asirt 08-28-2006 03:56 PM
With the future of television going on to HD (High Definition), it seems natural that the DVD media format would start to convert to the HD standard as well. However, due to companies not deciding which format will become superior, the world now has two HD video disc formats: Blu-ray and HD DVD. It's going to be difficult to find out which format will be the best, but over time one standard will fall and the other will "win" the format war.

Personally, Blu-ray has given me false promises so far. No company has yet to take full advantage of the technology, which claims to be superior to HD DVD. And with companies pulling moves like this, I'm not convinced. It's still too early to decide a "winner" on the HD formats, but HD DVD has fared better so far. I'll wait until the winter when more movies and players for both formats come out.

So now, which HD format do you think will suceed?

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Mr. Fortnight 08-28-2006 05:31 PM
I've already sided with HD-DVD. It's a stable technology, and cheaper. Not to mention most HD-DVD players play DVDs, while Blu-Ray does not have that compatibility.

Finally, Blu-Ray is a buggy kludge, while HD-DVD takes everything that worked with DVD, and adds to it. Not to mention reviews of movies that have been released to HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have favored the HD-DVD version.
Mike 08-28-2006 05:37 PM
I still think plain old DVD is fine.
Hobodoken 08-28-2006 06:01 PM
I think I'll just wait until one of them dies before buying one.

I mean, I (and by that, I mean my parents) just got a DVD player... 3 or 4 years ago. I think I'll deal with just DVD for a few years, until we see which is VHS, and which is BETA.
Tsukaggin 08-28-2006 06:09 PM
Blu Ray is Beta, HD DVD is VHS.

Blu Ray has higher data storage ability with supposedly clearer picture. But it's so unstable it breaks if you look at it wrong, and costs a fortune.

HD-DVD is Cheap, effective, and a natural extension of the DVD. It's clear which one will win.
Generalissimo D 08-28-2006 07:11 PM
I could really care less, but this will without a doubt cost everyone more.

Sony should stop trying to develop a format to pimp out.
dominusofdeath 08-28-2006 07:33 PM
HD is crap and I don't like the color blue. ~pirates more stuff~
Travis Bickle 08-28-2006 07:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ensign Minneapolis
I've already sided with HD-DVD. It's a stable technology, and cheaper. Not to mention most HD-DVD players play DVDs, while Blu-Ray does not have that compatibility.

Finally, Blu-Ray is a buggy kludge, while HD-DVD takes everything that worked with DVD, and adds to it. Not to mention reviews of movies that have been released to HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have favored the HD-DVD version.


All current Blu-Ray DVD player are backwards compatible with regular DVDs. My uncle stupidly bought one at the current market price and I watched my copy of Fight Club on it with no problem whatsoever.

Also, the price of HD DVDs and Blu Rays are relatively the same, and once they become pushed ahead of DVDs, will eventually go down in price and not cost as much.

Blu Ray movies are pretty stable. We tested the player on a SDTV and it worked fine with UNDERWORLD.

There's really no difference, only the fact that Blu Ray holds more than HD-DVDs. Also, it's going to win the format war because it's backed by every major porn company in the US, which is what helped VHS win over Beta.
Big Money 08-28-2006 07:52 PM
I heard where you can get a cheap Blue Ray player...





... Its called a Playstation 3.
Tsukaggin 08-28-2006 08:23 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Big Money
I heard where you can get a cheap Blue Ray player...


Big Money, please define cheap.
Big Money 08-28-2006 08:24 PM
Blue Ray player = $999.99


Irony, you know.
Scourge 08-28-2006 10:49 PM
I think with PS3 coming out that blu-ray will take the lead in sales.
Tsukaggin 08-28-2006 10:54 PM
Here's a questioin about Blu Ray.

What movie POSSIBLY needs that much disk room aside from lord of the rings? The standard DVD is rarely full any way. take out extra feature you only use maybe 60%. You're paying for un-used room, aren't you?
Travis Bickle 08-29-2006 01:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Tsukaggin
Here's a questioin about Blu Ray.

What movie POSSIBLY needs that much disk room aside from lord of the rings? The standard DVD is rarely full any way. take out extra feature you only use maybe 60%. You're paying for un-used room, aren't you?


A movie formatted for the maximum image quality of 480i/p takes up a lot less space on a disk than a movie made for the maximum of 1080i. And, since these Blu Ray DVDs are formatted for high definition (up to 1080i), then they're going to need a lot more space.
Krang 08-30-2006 10:10 PM
Personally, I'm fine with regular DVDs for now, so I haven't decided between the new formats yet. While the DVD format has many advantages over VHS, the differences between the new formats and DVDs are barely noticeable to anyone without an expensive home theater system, so I doubt either format will take over any time soon. However, I do think that Sony is getting overconfident with Blu-Ray and the PS3 since it seems like they are expecting people to buy them (despite the higher prices) just because they are made by Sony.
Mr. Fortnight 08-31-2006 12:50 PM
I have to agree with the sentiment that the DVD is good enough. Thing is, that isn't what the hardware manufacturers want you to think. That, and eventually movie studios and video producers will inevitibly switch over to one format or the other.

Also, I think that there is another deciding factor other than the porn industry.

The anime fandom didn't exist as a market force when the VHS/Beta war began. (and by the way, I wish Beta would have won. Smaller tapes make for good camcorders) Now with the Anime fandom in full force, it is which format grabs the attention of the Anime fans that will decide it.

Also, I was unaware that Blu-Ray could play standard DVDs. Last I was told Blu-Ray was for Blu-Ray only.

Thing is, why even have a format war anyways? VHS and DVD existed side by side for years before VHS simply died because of it's own age.

I think HD-DVD and Blu-Ray could co-exist. That and it would drive new innovations on both sides.

What annoys me though is that the market is trying to decide it for us. Some movie companies jumped on the bandwagon of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD before even the first players hit the open market. Shouldn't the consumer decide? I would think it would be wiser to come out with product for the 3 common formats first (DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray), and let the consumers decide. Once there is an obvious majority, run wth it.

Addendum
It seems that the split between HD DVD and Blu-Ray may nd up being like this:

HD-DVD will be a computers only format
Blu-Ray will be for movies.

Movie Companies are supporting Blu-Ray while Computer Hardware and Software companies are supporting HD-DVD. (Took a look at the Wikipedia articles)

Oh, and Think about the future.

The HVD


"It has been estimated that the books in the U.S. Library of Congress, one of the largest libraries in the world, would contain a total of about 20 terabytes if scanned in text format. Neglecting images, the content could be stored on a little more than 6 of these discs.

At 15 meter resolution and 32-bit color (about the resolution found in Google Earth), a map of the land masses of Earth would occupy just over 2 TB. Using MPEG4 ASP encoding, a 3.9 TB HVD could hold between 4,600–11,900 hours of video—just over one year of uninterrupted video at usual encoding rates.

The transfer rate is at an average of 1 gigabit/second, or 128 megabytes/second, around 6 times the transfer rate for current 16x DVD storage."
-Source: Wikipedia

Now, that is a DISC!
Travis Bickle 08-31-2006 02:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Krang
Personally, I'm fine with regular DVDs for now, so I haven't decided between the new formats yet. While the DVD format has many advantages over VHS, the differences between the new formats and DVDs are barely noticeable to anyone without an expensive home theater system, so I doubt either format will take over any time soon. However, I do think that Sony is getting overconfident with Blu-Ray and the PS3 since it seems like they are expecting people to buy them (despite the higher prices) just because they are made by Sony.


Toshiba has been pretty much rubbing it in the face of Sony this entire time that Microsoft and Intel back HD, which has pretty much been the basis for all of their arguments for the past few months. That got old really fast, and the whole reason that this whole Format Wars thing is going on is because Toshiba was too stubborn to work with Sony in developing one unified disk format. Sony has been, in pretty much every press conference about the format (yes, I've been following this very closely), talking about nothing but the technical advantages that Blu Ray has over HD, not to mention the fact that they're also supported by more major movie production studios in the US (and all over the world, including France...French Cinema is a biggie), some even exclusively.

Though, I don't think we really need another format (since I own about a million dvds and would hate to have to buy them all again), it would be awesome to have a media format that holds more than normal. I personally think Blu Ray is the answer.

Also, Ensign, Anime does sh** in terms of DVD sales compared to other genres. Hell, wrestling/MMA DVDs sell more than anime. We're talking about the Porn industry here, which does more business and makes more money than all the sports combined.
paul1290 08-31-2006 04:52 PM
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There's really no difference, only the fact that Blu Ray holds more than HD-DVDs. Also, it's going to win the format war because it's backed by every major porn company in the US

You have a point there. In past competitions between formats it was the one backed up by porn that almost always won. The porn industry was responsible for popularizing VHS, DVD, DivX, and a whole bunch of other formats I can't remember right now. Even the top researchers in Virtual Reality technology admit that their technology will most likely be first made popular by porn.

It may be a very sad fact, but right now porn is still the most effective way to spread a video format.


Bye the way, I prefer HD DVD. However, the way things are going now, Blu-ray will probably win. (In real life, not in this poll.)
The Baker St. Irregular 08-31-2006 10:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Krang
Personally, I'm fine with regular DVDs for now, so I haven't decided between the new formats yet. While the DVD format has many advantages over VHS, the differences between the new formats and DVDs are barely noticeable to anyone without an expensive home theater system, so I doubt either format will take over any time soon.


So very true there, comrade. I couldn't care less about the next gen discs since I have no equipment suited to them. And not to mention this seems like a whole nother case of Beta vs. VHS again. I'll wait until one disc kills the other one off before I decide.

quote:
However, I do think that Sony is getting overconfident with Blu-Ray and the PS3 since it seems like they are expecting people to buy them (despite the higher prices) just because they are made by Sony.


Exactly. And that only further cements the Wii as my choice system. Tongue
Travis Bickle 09-01-2006 12:22 AM
For the love of Ford, leave the console race out of it. It has nothing to do with it.