Eureka SeveN

I agree with the above statements about 30-episodes before we learn more about some of the characters, Talhoe's new look (she needed a change, but this wasn't it), and it being a filler episode.

Not much but just some slow character development and history. Of course, we had been spoiled with at least 3 straight episodes wth top notch action.

Ep. 30--Some confusion, some beef, and some praise...

Confusion: Why did Renton not press Talho for more info on his sister? She's always been on his mind in this series and was one of the first major plot threads introduced, yet now, when he hears Holland and Diane had a relationship, he doesn't want to know more? Does he even know where his sister is, or what happened to her? He should have been more inquisitive, I'd think.

Beef: Seriously, 30 episodes to tell some basic info? There's a lot of stuff they could have fit into the first 26, and made the first 26 more productive without hurting the story development flow. I think the fact that there's some 50 episodes has made BONES get a little too eager to stretch things out past what they should, like what they did with FMA. It weakens the series as a whole, IMO. This series' pacing is pretty plodding, even for people who like lots of character development like myself. I can only put up with it because it's on TV, but, no offense, I would not be able to commit to DVDs on a series that strings along like this.

As for the "top-notch-action"...I haven't seen it. They've had average action, but very little eye-popping scenes that push the TV mecha genre like Gundam Wing did. I know it wants to put people before mecha, but a better blending would be nice. While it's often unfairly scoffed at, Gundam Wing always had interesting action and was still able to mix it inherently with the lives of the mentally damaged pilots and the politics of their complex world. And again, no offense, but someone noted Eureka7 earlier as the best giant robot series other than The BIG-O, and I'd like to throw out that the often overlooked RahXephon by BONES was far superior as of this point for condensing their story to the meaningful interactions (26 episodes), giving tons more emotional punch with more interesting characters, and just creating a more impressive, mysterious atmosphere overall. Be sure to give it a watch.

Praise: It was a solid episode all and all, and the animation is top-notch by today's standards. The series is keeping itself together fine, but it's very slow to move itself out of its plodding rut. I figured it'd be full speed ahead into Dewey territory after ep. 26. Though, if I just look at it by itself, it's fairly fun. Talho's new look was a surprise. It kind of looks a little goofy, but we'll see how it goes. The preview for next episode looks to have a nice surprise in store.

Wow, tonights episode was pretty bizzare and fairly bloody. Lots of weird little monsters flying around as well.

Wow, nothing I hate more than super smart children, especially when they are from a Beniton ad.

It is sad, a couple of antibodies could wipe out the entire human race. Also I had no idea they weren't on Earth.

All in all it was a big WTF episode, not quite filler but not exactly pivotal to the overall story.

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Originally posted by Scourge Wow, nothing I hate more than super smart children, especially when they are from a Beniton ad. It is sad, a couple of antibodies could wipe out the entire human race. Also I had no idea they weren't on Earth. All in all it was a big WTF episode, not quite filler but not exactly pivotal to the overall story.

Yeah, didn't like the children either. Although I did like how they killed that one woman who was bugged.

Actually, the plot gets even weirder when it comes to the planet Earth (they are on it but they don't really know that... just check out a couple of my earlier posts with the spoilers if you want).

The last part with the Correlians killing everybody was weird, like that one scene from last year's War of the Worlds. Very, very nice touch with the mother so scared of dying that she smothered her child's screams to stop, and him along with them. Heh.

I did like the part with Dewey and his "Do you think I'm powerless" scene, for that was really, really good. Also, what was up with the big guy and what noise was he talking about (I know about the universe being destroyed, I'm talking about before)?
Peace.

Wait they are on Earth and they don't know it? that is just plain dumb, you think if they have knowledge of earth they could deduce that they are on the F'ing planet.

They are supposed to be more advanced than us but scientists can't see the obvious?

3rd planet from a large sun like star? check

A single moon that plays a large roll with the atmosphere? check

Ozone layer? check

spins on an axis? check

Magnet fields caused by the poles? check

Crust, mantle, double layered core? Triple Check

Earth, nope never.

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Originally posted by Paradigm Dog Ep. 30--Some confusion, some beef, and some praise... Confusion: Why did Renton not press Talho for more info on his sister? She's always been on his mind in this series and was one of the first major plot threads introduced, yet now, when he hears Holland and Diane had a relationship, he doesn't want to know more? Does he even know where his sister is, or what happened to her? He should have been more inquisitive, I'd think.

That's true and I agree with this although he does find out what happens to her later down the line.

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Originally posted by Paradigm Dog Beef: Seriously, 30 episodes to tell some basic info? There's a lot of stuff they could have fit into the first 26, and made the first 26 more productive without hurting the story development flow. I think the fact that there's some 50 episodes has made BONES get a little too eager to stretch things out past what they should, like what they did with FMA. It weakens the series as a whole, IMO. This series' pacing is pretty plodding, even for people who like lots of character development like myself. I can only put up with it because it's on TV, but, no offense, I would not be able to commit to DVDs on a series that strings along like this.

I don't really agree with the FMA statement PD, although I really understand where you are coming from. I believe FMA had better direction and for the most part involving the Elric brothers, nothing was sprung on us about their inimate family 3o episodes down the line. And yes, the pace of the series does hurt and get in the way at times.

If I remember the spoilers correctly, I think they don't think they are on Earth because basically humans left the planet because of another intelligent creature muscling in on them, the creature covered the entire planet and was alone, and then humans came back with the world looking completely different and they thought it was a new planet. I think that's how it basically goes.
Peace.

So because the ground looked a little different the greatest minds of the future just said "Hey guys, we found a new planet!".

So am I to believe that they totally dismissed scientific studies previously done before they left.

I just think I lost some respect for this series, how dare it insult my intelligence.

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Originally posted by Scourge I just think I lost some respect for this series, how dare it insult my intelligence.

I never really liked when someone used this banter with the "intellegence insulted" gimmick when it comes to anime, books, film, or what have you. Its not like you didn't know what this was beforehand.

Yoy were probably being sarcastic but yeah, that's how I feel about that.

Also, for the briefest part, that's what I know of the Earth situation and the Correlians and the humans. But yeah, we're going to have to go further into the series to see if that holds up.
Peace.

Scourge: I dare you to take a look out your back yard. Do you see scubs? Do you have earthquakes in which the qround goes up by hundreds of feet or more? I think It's at least a little different then Earth was before.

New Episode: DANG! I nearly craped myself when that child with Dewey poped that maid with the compac drive. Then I nearly did it again when the antibodies whiped out the town. This was a packed episode. There was more in this episode then in the last 4 combined. They finally brought the military back to the story.

"Begun the scub war has."

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Originally posted by Valdoom Scourge: I dare you to take a look out your back yard. Do you see scubs? Do you have earthquakes in which the qround goes up by hundreds of feet or more? I think It's at least a little different then Earth was before.

Did you... did you just tell him to glance outside to his property to indicate that the tangible, realistic world that he is viewing and living in is vastly different from the wolrd offered in an anime where the plot revolves around the adapted emphasis of surfing and the 1960's, where the characters themselves don't know its the same yet, for the sole purpose to stress the point that both are completely different?

Just want to know if I got that right and all.

Also, yeah as far as the main plot goes its good that they brought the military back and hopefully they'll get some emphasis this time around. I dunno know to me, they didn't really do anything of any real significance the last time they got some time, so yeah.
Peace.

That was what I was telling him to do. Also I think the biggest determining factor in them thinking it was a different planet was the Trapar(I'm sorry that I don't know how to spell it). It wasn't there before and to the best of their knowlege no other planet has it. So next time you go "sky boarding"/lifting in your backyard my advice is either stop doing drugs and/or snowboarding off your roof.

*sigh*

Sure there are some differences but they would be heavily outweighed by preexisting fact about Earth, check my little question bit a few posts, those are just some of the things that can't be changed for life to exist on this planet.

Sure the average Joe probably couldn't tell he was on earth but the great minds of the future are just lost and that doesn't even make sense to me.

Interesting episode...An improvement I think.

BONES seems to be gearing up for another RahXephon-esque big finish...though, there's still like 20 episodes left, so it'll be something to see how they fill the time given that things seem to be coming to a climax.

On that note, it feels like a lot was sprung on us without proper pacing. Maybe it was in the background, but unveling it like they did here front and center in this episode so quickly felt rushed and out of character given the way they've been treating the story previously. Using RahXephon again, that series built up and it felt natural and powerful when things hit the fan.

The Renton/Eureka dishwashing scene was bordering on redundantly, over-the-top sappy, even for this show. lol.

The new big scientist guy is a hoot, but his character model is really cartoony and hard to take seriously. When he held up the Voyager disk, the scene of Alex Rosewater holding the fragment of memory from Day of the Advent came to mind.

What was Dewey doing when he was talking about "am I powerless". Did he make a move on that sage? I couldn't tell what was being implied. The way Dewey carries himself and looks in the face reminds me of Stigma Stoller from Zoids/ZERO.

The new girl team could have been done a lot cooler. I would have liked to see them build up to them, too, with some military skirmishes.

I guess we're seeing the price of what Will warned about driving spikes into the land. I guess the land is alive and sentient. The anit-bodies, while I appreciated the scope of their presentation, looked like something out of Space Ghost. Yukikaze semi-spoiler:

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(I've seen an idea along these lines done a lot more credibly in Yukikaze .)

Upgrading Nirvash made me think--Ok, time to sell some more model kits! lol.

Nine XXVI--
Yeah, I probably agree that FMA's narrative overall didn't stray as much as Eureka7 has, but it did have its moments where it seemed to be padding the narrative to make it longer--especially in the middle of the series, if I recall.

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Originally posted by Paradigm DogWhat was Dewey doing when he was talking about "am I powerless". Did he make a move on that sage? I couldn't tell what was being implied. The way Dewey carries himself and looks in the face reminds me of Stigma Stoller from Zoids/ZERO.

Dewey was just intimidating her to show that he does indeed have power, power enough to make her STFU at the very least.

when i saw the anti-bodies in this episode, i had the urge to copy that one guy with cape from akira ...

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Originally posted by Paradigm Dog Nine XXVI-- Yeah, I probably agree that FMA's narrative overall didn't stray as much as Eureka7 has, but it did have its moments where it seemed to be padding the narrative to make it longer--especially in the middle of the series, if I recall.

I agree with this, as it seems like the manga does the exact same thing. To me, even when FMA was going through its middle arc and was wasting time (around where Izumi came in and a little bit after Greed died as well), it still held its direction and main purpose through the story. It didn't seem neccessary to do that, but overall, it didn't hurt the story significantly.

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Originally posted by Scourge quote: Originally posted by Paradigm DogWhat was Dewey doing when he was talking about "am I powerless". Did he make a move on that sage? I couldn't tell what was being implied. The way Dewey carries himself and looks in the face reminds me of Stigma Stoller from Zoids/ZERO. Dewey was just intimidating her to show that he does indeed have power, power enough to make her STFU at the very least.

That was a great scene and I'm stealing that.
Peace.

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Originally posted by Nine XXVI quote: Originally posted by Scourge quote: Originally posted by Paradigm DogWhat was Dewey doing when he was talking about "am I powerless". Did he make a move on that sage? I couldn't tell what was being implied. The way Dewey carries himself and looks in the face reminds me of Stigma Stoller from Zoids/ZERO. Dewey was just intimidating her to show that he does indeed have power, power enough to make her STFU at the very least. That was a great scene and I'm stealing that. Peace.

Stealing it? For what?

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Originally posted by Paradigm Dog quote: Originally posted by Nine XXVI quote: Originally posted by Scourge quote: Originally posted by Paradigm DogWhat was Dewey doing when he was talking about "am I powerless". Did he make a move on that sage? I couldn't tell what was being implied. The way Dewey carries himself and looks in the face reminds me of Stigma Stoller from Zoids/ZERO. Dewey was just intimidating her to show that he does indeed have power, power enough to make her STFU at the very least. That was a great scene and I'm stealing that. Peace. Stealing it? For what?

>_> You expect me to talk, Goldfinger?

EDIT: Thank you, Wingnutty.
Peace.

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Originally posted by Nine XXVI quote: Originally posted by Paradigm Dog Stealing it? For what? >_> You expect me to talk, Goldfinger? Peace.

"No Mr. Bond. I expect you to DIE!

Anyway the way those things were attacking made me think of the alien force in Gunbuster in the similar way they behaved in going about in their similar mission to kill humanity. Mass swarms, brutal close-in killing, and the general vibe of a single mindset to wipe us out.
That and it seems that the Nirvash will have to play the role of savior of humanity mush like the Gunbuster did if those things decide to attack the Gecko.