Eureka SeveN

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a "honeymoon" or something... at fourteen years old

So glad I never watched this show.

So very, very glad.

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Originally posted by R. Daniel Olk 01 quote: What do they think this is, Big O? Eh?

I think he means it's similar to the infamous "Stripes" incident where they accidently ran episode 20 again instead of the first showing of episode 26.

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Originally posted by R. Daniel Olk 01 Yeah, feels like a d*ck move to me. Maybe they're just having a "honeymoon" or something... at fourteen years old, was it? Hmmm.....

you do know that they would have been 15 when episode 50 started and 16 when it endded, right?

Nope, didn't realize. Thanks for the clarification, now it's less weird.

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Originally posted by R. Daniel Olk 01 quote: Originally posted by Nine XXVI quote: Yay, I'm not the only one who made the connection (or who noticed the blank books)! "Despair Sickness" = "coalescing" with the Coralian Core. Wow, good thing they're showing the last episode again. Because I completely missed this. Not in this case. They explain it in a bunch of episodes before the last one.

I know. But its like what I've been saying again with the storytelling. In just my own case, the direction of the plot was muddled with trying to make it a bit too complicated for its own good and for what it can handle as well. And in terms of explaining, they did a better job of that department regarding the psychological aspect of the situation then the physical part. Like I understood what was going on with the humans, the Scub Corals, the Summer of Love and the threat against the physical universe. What was botched down for me was their plans at going about either enchancing this or stopping it.

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Originally posted by R. Daniel Olk 01 quote: I'm sorry but what? This is where you lost me. I really don't know what you meant about "solid dialogue" here but for the most part, the script from Eureka Seven sounded cliched at most parts and the most constant preaching from just about every single character didn't help either. Also, the rehashing of the same lines in different words gimmick as well. How many times did Eureka say she's different, Renten loving her with all his heart and Holland just plain screaming? I mean, take it down a damn notch. We get the point, just stop trying to pound it into our heads and all. Heh, yeah there was a lot of arguing, and lots of lovey-dovey. But every argument or lovey-dovey bit started from somewhat different circumstances, so it seemed fully justified. It wasn't subtle but it was strong. The characters weren't perpetually hiding their feelings, holding themselves back of deluding themselves. If someone had a question, they didn't hold it in or avoid it. They were real, they were direct. They addressed their own problems. The words actually got the characters somewhere, it wasn't all just wasting breath. Preaching? Well I've just come to accept preaching in an animé action-series. Doesn't bother me. "Same lines in different words' gimmick?" I dunno what you mean.

A noting cliche in the action genre on anime then? That works, yeah.

And what I meant about the "same lines in different words" gimmick is basically the characters would re say the same thing over and over again, just in different times and with different words. How many times did Holland say he was scared or that he was going to fight for the planet? How many times did Renten just randomly starting crying about how he f***ing sucks after he thinks something doesn't go his way? How many times did Eureka complain about her being different? I know that it important to get this out there and for the characters to be given an identity and for the audience to "understand and relate to them" but I just saw it as a shallow plot device that was done into to death. Its like "Shut up, we get it and know what you're feeling. Moving on now."

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Originally posted by R. Daniel Olk 01 It wasn't subtle but it was strong. The characters weren't perpetually hiding their feelings, holding themselves back of deluding themselves. If someone had a question, they didn't hold it in or avoid it. They were real, they were direct. They addressed their own problems. The words actually got the characters somewhere, it wasn't all just wasting breath.

This detail I agree with, yeah.

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Originally posted by R. Daniel Olk 01 quote: I'm really not sure about the "audacity" angle here "Audacity" because I can just imagine the director saying to the designer, "Are you serious? Nobody wants to see the girl carry two scars and a bad haircut for thirty episodes. Change it back." quote: I remember characters like Miss Deep, Rei Ayanuami and Motoko Kusanagi being physically flawed at some point or another so yeah You've lost me here. Miss Deep was always too sexy to be true... Rei had bandages maybe twice in the entire series, and only briefly each time. For 24 episodes Rei was her normal cute self. Motoko? Besides in that one flashback sequence with her as a child, using more primitive body, when did Motoko ever look like anyting less than Sports Illustrated's swimsuit covergirl? Nine, think about it. Eureka had two ugly vein-things on her face for about thirty episodes. AND short, boyish hair that did nothing to hide the veiny-things. She wasn't some sick child that the characters go to see every now and then. She was on the screen with close-ups all the time. In all the animé I've seen that's never happened. Thirty episodes of a flawed face. Girls are supposed to be the pretty ones, because supposedly, people don't want to watch not-so-pretty ones. To go against that takes guts.

Okay, I understand where you're coming from and this is probably the weak point in my argument but let me back it up for a minute.

What I'm trying to get at here is that I don't think that its that momentual or important to the story that the women/girls are flawed or given a beutiful appearance. This really has nothing to do with the story and I don't think there's any type of empowerment involved by giving a female an anime series a physical flaw in any way, shape or form. If they don't it doesn't really mean anything but if they do, it still doesn't really mean anything except in the scheme and the value of the plot of the series that the character is in.

In regards to Eureka, you got it down with her physical looks; the short hair and scars but that still didn't take anything away from herself by any means. True the majority of males don't like short hair on females (I'm part of the minority, I could care less about the length of hair as long as they feel comfortable with it and if they can rock it right) but I don't think its anything or to imply that it has any underlying meaning than other what its face value is. If its regarded as such, then I just think that's a rather shallow move that takes away from the characters itself.

I used the three characters I mentioned before (all Academy Animated Award nominees and winners by the way... >_<) because I just wanted to show how this has been done to one degree or another. True about Miss Deep looks, but she was shown to throw up blood and use her power in a way to mess with her insides. Rei was in bandages for a large portion of the series and had other physical scars on her and mentally, was revealed to be Yui Ikari's clone. Kusanagi's case is more tangible because even though she's suppose to be the embodiment of what the artifical perfection of a woman is supposed to be given the technology and the measures, there are plenty of times when her body is destroyed. Arms blown up, her head was smashed in at one point and hell, there was even a time when she was outisde her own body and used other ones, in a way to show how she herself wasn't sure of her own being.

I know those are... a bit over the top and out of reach but yeah. Just wanted to show that the notion of female characters being flawed in some physical way has been noted before. And lol, Sports Illustrated's swimsuit covergirl.

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Originally posted by Wingnut quote: Originally posted by R. Daniel Olk 01 quote: What do they think this is, Big O? Eh? I think he means it's similar to the infamous "Stripes" incident where they accidently ran episode 20 again instead of the first showing of episode 26.

Exactly what Wingnut said here. Also, didn't they f*** it over with Act 26 as well?

Lol, giving a damn about their age on a honeymoon.
Peace.

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Originally posted by Nine XXVI quote: Originally posted by Wingnut quote: Originally posted by R. Daniel Olk 01 quote: What do they think this is, Big O? Eh? I think he means it's similar to the infamous "Stripes" incident where they accidently ran episode 20 again instead of the first showing of episode 26. Exactly what Wingnut said here. Also, didn't they f*** it over with Act 26 as well?

They did indeed. They ended it the first time by cutting off what happened after Big O and Big Venus merged in a flash of light.
Can't trust AS to do anything right anymore.

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Sports Illustrated's swimsuit covergirl.

More like popular mechanics (cause...robotic)

just a question, but when Big O ended did you all try to find every single flaw in Big O?

Hell no! I want to remember anime as good as it was, without flaws (if I haven't seen any when I was watching, why bother now?).

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Originally posted by Sharpshooter005 quote: Sports Illustrated's swimsuit covergirl. More like popular mechanics (cause...robotic)

I read it for the stimulating articles and the mechanics, I swear. >_>

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Originally posted by Valdoom just a question, but when Big O ended did you all try to find every single flaw in Big O?

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Originally posted by Lord Ender von Hellsing Hell no! I want to remember anime as good as it was, without flaws (if I haven't seen any when I was watching, why bother now?).

What the hell are you two talking about?

Anyway yeah, [adult swim] replayed the episode again with more added to it. In the beginning with Eureka doing some narrating and at the end with Axel spending time with the kids. This version is better and paying more attention this time, it made a lot more sense with things that weren't really adding up for me beforehand.

Still, the whole love fest at the end is incredibly campy and almost badbut the chemistry between Renten and Eureka was good though. Also, what I didn't like about the ending and I remember reading about it in the spoilers beforehand, was that the series' ending give no indication or clue as to what happened to the rest of the characters. I mean, what happened to Dominic and Anemone? The army? Hell, the crew of Gekko State, Holland and Talho? What happened to them? Nothing is given, which is kind of weak. And the end with all the visual effects and the Summer of Love taking place was still... its like Evangelion, except switch out the depressing suicide notions for over the top perky romantics. I mean, a power figure in the shape of a heart? And the heart engraving on the moon? Really now. Really.

Also, one more thing. I'd really like it if series with a long extension like this would put more effort into its being you know? Like I mean for example, at the end of FullMetal Alchemist you can really feel for the Elric Brothers and the journey and the sacifirice that they went through. Here is kind of like... okay. Anyway, alright series and not much depth there, or at least it tried to be but it fumbled up hard down the stretch.
Peace.

I thought it might have been kind of funny to see when Axel learns he has 3 great grand children. Think about it. Getting the call to tell you your 15 year old grand son has three children who are coming to visit?

That is kinda creepy. But Renton would make a good father, he has Eureka with him. Anyone pick up the manga?

That is true...If they ever come back...
I did. So far it's really good.