Eureka SeveN

In my opinion of that episode: it was great. The desperation disease part was creatively done. Dewey kicked some serious ass. To think he had the final battle won before it began. 12,999 of those ships were overkill. Dewey went from 6th on my awesome arch villian list to first. What's going on with Anemone and Eureka is interesting, can't wait to see what happens there.

Earlier we were wondering how the world didn't end right there when the Control Cluster was destroyed. Remember how much emphasis they kept placing on 1246 seconds? If you really only looked at the time Dewey was on screen, and assume that everything else over lapped at the same time, they never came close to the 1246 limit before Dewey sacrificed himself. I can't even call it suicide, because it was so much more creatively done.

As a final note:
Eureka Seven is a double edged sword. It's awesome and I can't wait to see more, but at the same time when I watch a new episode there is one less episode for me to see.

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Originally posted by Valdoom The desperation disease part was creatively done.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that beginning part.

That, I didn't really understand all that much and it reminded me of when all those Reis were killing everybody in the End of Evangelion movie. Did that have something to do with the scub corals and such. Also, there was that one couple who Renten met a long time ago with the farmer and the comatose wife. And then they got hit my an airbourne missile. That was nicely done, too bad the direction wasn't this good throughout the entire series though.
Peace.

I just noticed something. When all the desperation disease people "wake up", the compac drives in there hands transformed in to books. The girl on the plane, Martha, the girls at warsaw...they all had books when they woke up. I think they were in fact within the corallian core, just like I thought.

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NO!! DEWEY KILLED HIMSELF!!

Oh well, it was a great ending and it just makes me wanna buy all of the manga and anime.

Overall,

Story: 10/10
The story was wondeful for a giant robot anime but BONES never skips detail.

Character Relations: 9/10
Dewey was the perfect villian but Holland did act like him.
Euerka and Renton made the perfect couple and

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I'm glad Ray and Charlies died. They gave me the willies.

Everything else, Music, art, what ever else... 9/10
There were a few cons of the show.
1. Another addition to the much uneeded giant robot anime list. (Gundams got that filled.)
2. Renton had an annoying way of thinking.
3. Euerka needed to have more faith in herself.
4. Holland acted like a child but Talho set him stright.

If anyone else as stuff to add. Fill free. But this is not Trinity Blood.
(I dont care what ya'll say, if you read the book, you'll love it. I picked it up and I love it. Same with the manga and anime. Plus THORES Shibamoto's art is wonderful.
Sunao Yoshida didn't die so you could hate his story.
My the Gods give him peace.
Yes, he died, right before the anime was released in Japan.)

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Originally posted by Sara Comatori If anyone else as stuff to add. Fill free. But this is not Trinity Blood. (I dont care what ya'll say, if you read the book, you'll love it. I picked it up and I love it. Same with the manga and anime. Plus THORES Shibamoto's art is wonderful. Sunao Yoshida didn't die so you could hate his story. My the Gods give him peace. Yes, he died, right before the anime was released in Japan.)

First and foremost, there's is a separate thread for you to post your Trinity Blood propaganda elsewhere and such. And that's a terrible thing to hear about the creator of it but that still doesn't excuse it from the fact that TB was quite terrible in almost all regards.

Also and from what I understand, you made another thread about Eureka Seven? Why?

Anyway to the show itself, its over and yeah the ending was... subpar I guess I can say. The end especially reminded me of a watered down and campy version of End of Evangelion. The power beams with the hearts, the talking mecha (wtf), the end of the scub corals dying like they did and so forth. Although, the way Renten killed them was pretty cool. The ending kind of dropped it for me as well in the regards that it doesn't look into the future of the characters and the stor itself, as like what happened to everybody after the second Summer of Love took place and all that. Also compared to how the episode before this ended, it was kind of like a step back in the direction in my opinion.

Anyway, the series for all its worth was straight with all things considered. The plot was... well, kind of idiotic but the characters made up for that (oh, Charles and Ray they needed more time dammit). And Maurice was a damn good character as well. He called Renten Papa too, nice.

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Originally posted by Valdoom I just noticed something. When all the desperation disease people "wake up", the compac drives in there hands transformed in to books. The girl on the plane, Martha, the girls at warsaw...they all had books when they woke up. I think they were in fact within the corallian core, just like I thought.

...um, I didn't notice that. But I guess you can be right about that. Also how Holland said that Renten decided to live with Eureka was a Corrleian after... all that noise happened and whatnot. And that we would take care of the kids so yeah, I guess that supports on what you're running there.
Peace.

Did any of you notice a black screen with some Japanese writing and a 1 at the end of it, a second before canvas started?

If you said yes,

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the writing said "one year later". In case you haven't realized what I'm saying, I'm saying that AS removed over 3 min. of Eureka Seven right off the end.

I made that a spoiler just to see if I could surprise anyone.

Gonzy, a Corralian? I thought that was kind of cool. The ending was a little lovy dovy, but that was the point.

As a final note, Sara Comatori why do you watch Eureka Seven? Every thing that was what made Eureka Seven good, you didn't like. How could you not like Charles and Ray? The character's faults made Eureka Seven all the better. Who wants to watch a bunch of people who are in every way perfect live out their lives? Finally talking about Trinity Blood in the Eureka Seven post, not cool man, not cool.

One final question: We know why Eureka was in there, but Why was it Eureka "Seven"?

Nine.... you used to be cool... not anymore...

On another note

I don't like Ray... Crazy biz... Charlies was weird... Cool LFO thou...

I only loved Dewey, All of Gekko state and that's it.

I like Eureka SeveN because It was a good anime. Not the one were I go into nit picky details about. Just a good anime, Like Cowboy Bebop.

And if It wasn't for Dewey's crazy thinking and Renton's love for Erueka, I wouldn't have watched it.


I can't forget Jobs thou... he's so cool!!

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Originally posted by Sara Comatori Nine.... you used to be cool... not anymore...

What? When the hell did you think I was "cool"?

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Originally posted by Valdoom Did any of you notice a black screen with some Japanese writing and a 1 at the end of it, a second before canvas started? If you said yes, spoiler (highlight to read): the writing said "one year later". In case you haven't realized what I'm saying, I'm saying that AS removed over 3 min. of Eureka Seven right off the end. I made that a spoiler just to see if I could surprise anyone. Gonzy, a Corralian? I thought that was kind of cool. The ending was a little lovy dovy, but that was the point.

Really? Well, explain please. Did you know what happens at the end of what they cut? Actually come to think of it, when I read the spoilers a long time ago, I remember reading that Renten took Eureka and the kids home with him to live with his grandfather. I don't know if that's the ending that was cut out in the three minutes, but yeah. I remember reading that much anyway.

And a "little lovey dovey"? It got a little embarassing to watch at the end, that's how campy it was starting to get so yeah.
Peace.

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Originally posted by Nine XXVI quote: Originally posted by Sara Comatori Nine.... you used to be cool... not anymore... What? When the hell did you think I was "cool"?

First time I met you. *Sniff*

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the compac drives in there hands transformed in to books.

I had a compaq once, the videocard or something died.

Awful machines. I still have the laptop somewhere, it's probably broken too, really shoddy crap is what compaq is.

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Originally posted by Sharpshooter005 quote: the compac drives in there hands transformed in to books. I had a compaq once, the videocard or something died. Awful machines. I still have the laptop somewhere, it's probably broken too, really shoddy crap is what compaq is.

My old friend who had a computer repair store that I would go to everyday used to call them "Compuke".

Its an accurate description all around really.
Peace.

I heard that AS is going to re-air episode 50 this saturday just because of the edit error that rmoved the last 3 min.

Eureka Seven confuses me. I tried following this thing from the beginning and I am still lost. anyone capable of describing it well, succinctly and in a manner that makes sense?
War.

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Originally posted by The Dungeon Master Eureka Seven confuses me. I tried following this thing from the beginning and I am still lost. anyone capable of describing it well, succinctly and in a manner that makes sense? War.

It's... not that hard to understand really. Its just the poor storytelling and inconsisent direction that makes it weird to follow at times.

Basically, this kid who lives in a small town in nowhere with his grandfather Renten Thursten, is a fan of lifting and of Gekko State, a rebel group under the guise of being a hippie carefree bunch of lifters. One of the members of Gekko State, Eureka, crashes on Renten's property and he falls for her at first sight. She's fighting the military that's after her and Gekko State and with Renten's help, she's able to get away.

Renten decides to join the Gekko State and its leader and his personal idol, Holland Novak. But later has things come to light, Renten realizes that Holland and Gekko State itself is not what it seems to be. He realizes what they really are and after abuse from Holland, he leaves Gekko State and meets a couple Charles and Ray Beams. They seem like Gekko State did in the beginning, a couple of hippies. But even they turn out to be freelance mercenaries hired by the government. They take Renten in and they become so attached to him, that they treat him like a son like the son they always wanted.

...that's like Part One. I'll continue the rest later or if someone wants to pick it up from here, they're more than welcome to. But if not, I'm gonna be posting it in parts, so yeah.
Peace.

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anyone capable of describing it well, succinctly and in a manner that makes sense?

I've never seen it but...from my vague understanding

It was Andrei Tarkovsky's Solaris except lame.

Somebody please give me a breif summary about what happened in the last episode I was camping and I missed it.

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Originally posted by Valdoom I heard that AS is going to re-air episode 50 this saturday just because of the edit error that rmoved the last 3 min.

May 5th at the normal time. I did more reasearch on this, and discovered that this is a fact.

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Originally posted by Valdoom I just noticed something. When all the desperation disease people "wake up", the compac drives in there hands transformed in to books. The girl on the plane, Martha, the girls at warsaw...they all had books when they woke up. I think they were in fact within the corallian core, just like I thought.

Yay, I'm not the only one who made the connection (or who noticed the blank books)!
"Despair Sickness" = "coalescing" with the Coralian Core.



There's just... so much to enjoy. Though I agree with Nine; it gets entangled in its own gobbledygook and camp towards the end, and I agree that the end deflated a bit.

But I also feel like most of the episodes actually mattered. Seemingly trivial stopovers developed far-reaching or permanent consequences. And there was no deus-ex-machina quick-fix. This show had suspense!

People changed their appearances. (And everything was so stylish, especially the military.) Along with the solid dialogue, that helped keep the characters fresh and real. It also reinforced the impression that the characters were dynamic, not just programmed robots.

Also, think... what other animé have you seen where the producers had the audacity to give the female protagonist a set of ugly scars on her face... for over half the show? That makes the show feel... more honest, more real.



[as] cut the last three minutes? Nyahar, that means I have somewhat special knowledge in this forum... for 72 hours!

You're not missing much in the last three minutes. But the box is big because I decided to describe the images for you, if you're interested in reading.

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It's late afternoon. Grandpa Thorsten is treating the three orphans at a diner. He buys them some kind of super-burger because it's a Thorsten tradition. Late evening. They're at a grassy cliff-side clearing with a road passing through, which overlooks an enormous park. There's a railing and three pay-telescopes. After Grandpa and orphans walk up to the railing and start taking in the view, one of the orphans asks when Eureka and Renton (Mommy and Daddy) will be coming back . Grandpa Thorsten basically says "someday, kids, someday I'm sure they will..." Pan up to the moon. Encompassing the entire Earth-facing side of the moon, something has carved "Eureka/Renton" (in Kanji characters the size of France) inside an enormous heart-shape. As the camera pans up, you might notice a road-sign in the corner that reads "Renton Thorsten Memorial Park." Pan down to a shot of Anemone and Dominic camping out together in the park, sitting far away with their backs to the camera, looking up at the stars. Transfer to an establishing shot of the park, basically one huge Eden. Suddenly there are two small blinking lights, one blue and one red. Fade to a closer shot, then another closer shot. Then fade to a shot where you can see the small silhouettes of Eureka and Renton holding hands facing each other, by a lake beneath the trees (Eureka still has her wings). (It's pretty safe to assume that the lights are blinking from their foreheads, as they began to blink shortly before the Second Summer of Love began.) The generic orchestral music comes to a climax. (Along with the gratuitous romanticism.) "Fin."

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Originally posted by R. Daniel Olk 01 quote: Originally posted by Valdoom I just noticed something. When all the desperation disease people "wake up", the compac drives in there hands transformed in to books. The girl on the plane, Martha, the girls at warsaw...they all had books when they woke up. I think they were in fact within the corallian core, just like I thought. Yay, I'm not the only one who made the connection (or who noticed the blank books)! "Despair Sickness" = "coalescing" with the Coralian Core.

Wow, good thing they're showing the last episode again. Because I completely missed this. And I still hardly know what the "Control Cluster" was.

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Originally posted by R. Daniel Olk 01 Along with the solid dialogue...

I'm sorry but what? This is where you lost me. I really don't know what you meant about "solid dialogue" here but for the most part, the script from Eureka Seven sounded cliched at most parts and the most constant preaching from just about every single character didn't help either. Also, the rehashing of the same lines in different words gimmick as well. How many times did Eureka say she's different, Renten loving her with all his heart and Holland just plain screaming? I mean, take it down a damn notch. We get the point, just stop trying to pound it into our heads and all.

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Originally posted by R. Daniel Olk 01 Also, think... what other animé have you seen where the producers had the audacity to give the female protagonist a set of ugly scars on her face... for over half the show? That makes the show feel... more honest, more real.

I'm really not sure about the "audacity" angle here with the female characters appearance and all that. I mean, I'm sure its happened before and it doesn't make that much of a mark on if a character is more real or not but I remember characters like Miss Deep, Rei Ayanuami and Motoko Kusanagi being physically flawed at some point or another so yeah.

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Originally posted by R. Daniel Olk 01 spoiler (highlight to read): It's late afternoon. Grandpa Thorsten is treating the three orphans at a diner. He buys them some kind of super-burger because it's a Thorsten tradition. Late evening. They're at a grassy cliff-side clearing with a road passing through, which overlooks an enormous park. There's a railing and three pay-telescopes. After Grandpa and orphans walk up to the railing and start taking in the view, one of the orphans asks when Eureka and Renton (Mommy and Daddy) will be coming back . Grandpa Thorsten basically says "someday, kids, someday I'm sure they will..." Pan up to the moon. Encompassing the entire Earth-facing side of the moon, something has carved "Eureka/Renton" (in Kanji characters the size of France) inside an enormous heart-shape. As the camera pans up, you might notice a road-sign in the corner that reads "Renton Thorsten Memorial Park." Pan down to a shot of Anemone and Dominic camping out together in the park, sitting far away with their backs to the camera, looking up at the stars. Transfer to an establishing shot of the park, basically one huge Eden. Suddenly there are two small blinking lights, one blue and one red. Fade to a closer shot, then another closer shot. Then fade to a shot where you can see the small silhouettes of Eureka and Renton holding hands facing each other, by a lake beneath the trees (Eureka still has her wings). (It's pretty safe to assume that the lights are blinking from their foreheads, as they began to blink shortly before the Second Summer of Love began.) The generic orchestral music comes to a climax. (Along with the gratuitous romanticism.) "Fin."

Okay, that's pretty much what I thought would go down for the most part. Still weird how [adult swim] cut the last three minutes like that? What do they think this is, Big O?

Also, Renten and Eureka don't come back? Interesting.
Peace.

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Originally posted by Nine XXVI quote: Yay, I'm not the only one who made the connection (or who noticed the blank books)! "Despair Sickness" = "coalescing" with the Coralian Core. Wow, good thing they're showing the last episode again. Because I completely missed this.

Not in this case. They explain it in a bunch of episodes before the last one.

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And I still hardly know what the "Control Cluster" was.

It's just the part of the Coral that's awake. It makes sure the rest of the Coral stays asleep.

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I'm sorry but what? This is where you lost me. I really don't know what you meant about "solid dialogue" here but for the most part, the script from Eureka Seven sounded cliched at most parts and the most constant preaching from just about every single character didn't help either. Also, the rehashing of the same lines in different words gimmick as well. How many times did Eureka say she's different, Renten loving her with all his heart and Holland just plain screaming? I mean, take it down a damn notch. We get the point, just stop trying to pound it into our heads and all.

Heh, yeah there was a lot of arguing, and lots of lovey-dovey. But every argument or lovey-dovey bit started from somewhat different circumstances, so it seemed fully justified.

It wasn't subtle but it was strong. The characters weren't perpetually hiding their feelings, holding themselves back of deluding themselves. If someone had a question, they didn't hold it in or avoid it. They were real, they were direct. They addressed their own problems. The words actually got the characters somewhere, it wasn't all just wasting breath.

Preaching? Well I've just come to accept preaching in an animé action-series. Doesn't bother me.

"Same lines in different words' gimmick?" I dunno what you mean.

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I'm really not sure about the "audacity" angle here

"Audacity" because I can just imagine the director saying to the designer, "Are you serious? Nobody wants to see the girl carry two scars and a bad haircut for thirty episodes. Change it back."

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I remember characters like Miss Deep, Rei Ayanuami and Motoko Kusanagi being physically flawed at some point or another so yeah

You've lost me here. Miss Deep was always too sexy to be true... Rei had bandages maybe twice in the entire series, and only briefly each time. For 24 episodes Rei was her normal cute self. Motoko? Besides in that one flashback sequence with her as a child, using more primitive body, when did Motoko ever look like anyting less than Sports Illustrated's swimsuit covergirl?

Nine, think about it. Eureka had two ugly vein-things on her face for about thirty episodes. AND short, boyish hair that did nothing to hide the veiny-things. She wasn't some sick child that the characters go to see every now and then. She was on the screen with close-ups all the time. In all the animé I've seen that's never happened. Thirty episodes of a flawed face.

Girls are supposed to be the pretty ones, because supposedly, people don't want to watch not-so-pretty ones. To go against that takes guts.

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What do they think this is, Big O?

Eh?

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Also, Renten and Eureka don't come back? Interesting.

Yeah, feels like a d*ck move to me. Maybe they're just having a "honeymoon" or something... at fourteen years old, was it? Hmmm.....