Does BIG-O's current lack of closure bother you?

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Originally posted by 6 moon dance Cerpin Text wrote quote: But I don't think anything being done at, say, a certain other website would help/is helping. What would you suggest? I'm not being sarcastic. Those of us at certain other websites know a lot but we don't know everything at least I don't know everything. If you or anyone else out there has suggestions on more effective ways to go about getting a third season of Big O please post, I'd sincerely love to hear your ideas.

I'll tell you a cheaper way to get the point across, and get the same result:

Don't do anything.

Why? TV shows die. All the time. Even the awesome ones. Hell, Exosquad was awesome and regarded as one hell of an animated series, but it didn't last that long (though a friend of mine recently purchased all rights to it). Ok. Bad example. But still.

What I see SaveBigO's main purpose to be is to inform people about The Big O and to have them all join together to get a third season. In my eyes, that's kind of useless. Anyone who is anyone pretty much knows about the Big O. Everyone I work with (the majority who hate Anime) know about and actually liked the Big O. Even people who didn't live in the US when it first aired. Hell, my mom knew about it somehow without my sister or I telling her about it.

Everyone pretty much knows about the Big O and what it was. The majority of those people would even say that it was a good show. Almost nobody cares about giving the series "a proper ending". It's really not that big of a deal to people. You all have to live with that.

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Originally posted by Nine XXVI quote: Am I BOTHERED by it? No. Do I stay up at nights worrying about it? No. You're not? Because I've lost so many nights wondering about Act 26.

The Big O, like pretty much everything on TV, is a work of fiction. It's also animated, to boot, meaning it does not use real live actors to portray the story and events of the show.

If, for some godforsaken reason, you become emotionally distraught and distressed by a work of fiction (blurring the reality of what is real and what is not), and lose sleep over such a thing, you need to examine yourself thoroughly. Sure, there have been many movies and shows that left me thinking, but I put the real world in front of them as my number one priority. I can tell between what is real and what is not. Do not let your emotions get in the way of a good night's sleep just because you're shocked that Tony Almeida was killed.

Whoops.

And, for the record, I'm starting to think that Trigun is as good, if not better, than The Big O.

Pretty much everyone knows about Big-O? I hardly know any people outside of these forums who even know Big-O exists. As far as I know, none of my classmates or my friends have even heard of Big-O except for one, and even he has only watched a couple episodes.

The number of Big-O fans I know in real life= 0

Number of people I know who have heard of it= 1

I know a ton of people that know and like Big O, it's not some underground hit. And in addition to what CT said, letter campaigns every month haven't gotten the job done, and honestly a truck load of tomato's isn't going to do a darn thing, I think it's time we let Big O drift to anime heaven once and for all. Fare thy well Big O, Fare thy well.

I'm not trying to be mean but what has been Accomplished in these past 4+ years? Not a whole lot it seems, other than Big O fans being laughted at for being so die hard to let it die.

Bloody heretics.

I really didn't like Season 2. it had its moments, like that one episode where Norman had that big gun and blew up those spider robots. Most of the robot fights were pretty weak.

I agree that it lost the feel of the first season. It went from "cool mysterious city, slowly revealing itself to you" to preachy and weird. And the ending was basically a half-hour of random crap that confused the hell out of...pretty much everyone.

It was what, 2 and a half years ago? Yeah. Let it go. I don't think sending masses of letters is really going to accomplish very much.

So anyway, it did bother me at first. Now I don't care.

Yes, I was dissatisfied with the ending. And I was dissatisfied with Season 2 as a whole. It barely answered anything, raised more questions, and as many have said, the animation quality was poorer. The more I think about it, the less I like it.

Big O used to be my favorite anime, but there's only so long I can like a show that ultimately doesn't make sense. (Or if it does make sense, according to theories thrown around here, I don't like it anyway.) I'll just keep Season One and be resolved to the fact that the show is OVER.

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Originally posted by Cerpin Taxt The Big O, like pretty much everything on TV, is a work of fiction. It's also animated, to boot, meaning it does not use real live actors to portray the story and events of the show.

So what about books and other pieces of literature? What about stories which were written to make people THINK. Isaac Asimov, Dr. Seuss (if you really want to be analytical), and many others wrote stories which were designed to be read and make their readers think and wonder. Who says TV shows can't be the same? Is it the mentality that everything that isn't flesh-and-blood and speaking to you in person MUST be unimportant? That would be a poor reason to rule a third season of Big O out as something to try and support.

Anyways, I agree wholeheartedly that the second season lost some of the original charm (whether via animation technique or the advent of an substancial plot or whatever) and I also agree that the ending was possibly the most confusing and random ending of a TV show that I've ever seen, but we know for a FACT that the brains behind The Big O have more ideas for megadeuses and more episode concept up their sleeves... if only for a shot at doing so, I honestly believe it's worth trying to begin a 3rd season just to try and wrap up season 2 and possibly continue on with more season 1 style fight-a-week/stand-alone episodes. Giant robots fights are awesome...great giant robots make the aforementioned fights even better. Big O is a great giant robot, and it hasn't been used to its full potential yet. Make a season3, make an OVA/OAV, just let's see the Black Megadeus kick some metallic butt again!

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And, for the record, I'm starting to think that Trigun is as good, if not better, than The Big O.

Trigun kicks much ass

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Originally posted by Zenigata-Da-Vida quote: Originally posted by Cerpin Taxt The Big O, like pretty much everything on TV, is a work of fiction. It's also animated, to boot, meaning it does not use real live actors to portray the story and events of the show. So what about books and other pieces of literature? What about stories which were written to make people THINK. Isaac Asimov, Dr. Seuss (if you really want to be analytical), and many others wrote stories which were designed to be read and make their readers think and wonder. Who says TV shows can't be the same? Is it the mentality that everything that isn't flesh-and-blood and speaking to you in person MUST be unimportant? That would be a poor reason to rule a third season of Big O out as something to try and support.

I was never against thinking outside of the box. I was just saying that, when fiction leaks into reality and causes horrible mental or physical distress, then you're one f***ed up person.

Why do people keep on insisting on another season? The show is OVER. It planned as a 26 episode series, and it ended with 26 episodes! Damn it, I wish Konaka never brought up wanting to make another season.

Besides, shouldn't we be happy at the fact there is a second season? If it wasn't for Cartoon Network, the series would've ended with a Dorothy clone going on a killing spree, and Roger questioning who he really is.

Personally, as I rewatch the series R-D seems like a better ending. One of the main plotlines in the series was Roger and Dorothy's relationship. Again, and again we would get hints about their feelings for each other. And at the end of R-D, the relationship appears to be deep. It seems, Roger comes to terms with himself (yet in Act 14 he's questioning who he is, go figure) and Dorothy joins him at Big O's controls. The two, side by side prepare for a battle with three megadeuses. The final moment in R-D has alot of impact, wouldn't you say? Yet in season two, we still get lots of hints of R X D, but by the last episode Roger seems to be closer with Angel.

So yeah, don't bring us a third season Konaka. We don't need it.

I'm not saying I'm opposed to a third season. If there is one, then awesome. If not, oh well. I just don't like people bitching about it, and doing stupid stuff (like sending Williams St. tomatoes).

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Originally posted by Cerpin Taxt I'm not saying I'm opposed to a third season. If there is one, then awesome. If not, oh well. I just don't like people bitching about it, and doing stupid stuff (like sending Williams St. tomatoes).

I feel the same, C.T.

There's no harm in writing a letter or signing a petition for Season 3, but sending tomatoes to Cartoon Network makes All Big O fans look bad.

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I was never against thinking outside of the box. I was just saying that, when fiction leaks into reality and causes horrible mental or physical distress, then you're one f***ed up person.

Ahh....I misunderstood >.>;; Gotcha!

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Originally posted by Mr. Peabody There's no harm in writing a letter or signing a petition for Season 3, but sending tomatoes to Cartoon Network makes All Big O fans look bad.

Yah...that would probably screw all of our chances of even other networks taking us seriously.

I really don't see how the following could be taken seriously:

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To: Cartoon Network We, the undersigned, request a third season of Big O. Sincerely, The Undersigned

Talk about depth and detail!

A third would rock, but in its current state I'm almost satisfied. Sort of like having one scoop of ice cream and not two.

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Originally posted by Gaddes quote: What would you suggest? In all honesty, I would try someone else, because it's been made quite clear that CN isn't going to do it, for what like 3-4 years now? that's all I can really suggest.

Exactly. While CN did help fund and produce season 2, it was a very uncommon move for them, so it is very unlikely that they will do that again for any anime series. Big O season 2 did get pretty good ratings, but they were not good enough to convince CN to fund another season, and they have already made up their minds about that. I personally think it's time for us Big O fans to learn to respect their decision and focus our time, money, and effort elsewhere. Companies such as Bandai and Sunrise are much more directly responsible for Big O, so I think contacting them would be a much better place to start (such as ZeaLitY has done). Continuing to annoy CN about it is not going to do any good, and it will most likely cause them to start ignoring Big O fans completely (i.e., throwing out their letters) if they haven't already.

While the second season's ending did have somewhat of an incomplete ending, it doesn't bother me one bit. To be honest, I perfer the first season over the second for various reasons. Don't get me wrong here; I enjoyed the second season and the overall series, but season one felt like it was better executed than the second. The style of season one was also better than season two (and not only the art style, but the story as well).

It would be nice to see new material for The Big O, but I felt satisfied with the 26 episodes that the series currently has. The overall performance is already great as it is. Of course, this is just my opinion.

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I personally think it's time for us Big O fans to learn to respect their decision and focus our time, money, and effort elsewhere. Companies such as Bandai and Sunrise are much more directly responsible for Big O, so I think contacting them would be a much better place to start (such as ZeaLitY has done). Continuing to annoy CN about it is not going to do any good, and it will most likely cause them to start ignoring Big O fans if they haven't already.

Agreed.

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Originally posted by Cerpin Taxt I really don't see how the following could be taken seriously: quote: To: Cartoon Network We, the undersigned, request a third season of Big O. Sincerely, The Undersigned Talk about depth and detail!

Yeah, if I was CN and that's what I got ever freakin month, I would just toss it or shred it. No one is going to take something that took 5 seconds to come up with the least bit serious.

It's not like I have a problem with what savebigo.com is doing but the letter campaigns have made zero progress these 4 years, nothing has come out of it, except Big O fans being seen as crazoids with nothing better to do. I would like a season three, but I can live without it, no problem. However going on to the AS forums and just starting Big O threads out of spite isn't showing them Big O fan's are Exactly willing to to take no for an answer. And that's the word.

The fact that people are arguing their preference of Season 1 over Season 2 makes me wonder if I'm watching the same show...

Season 2 is hands-down, undeniably, uncontrollaby, indismissably superior to 1 in every way possible. Season 1 just had too many bad episodes of irrelevant nonsense. Sure, they reveal character development and insight into the world which the characters live in, but not to a degree which justifies their lack of plot (I'm talking about Electric City, Bring Back My Ghost, Missing Cat, Daemonseed). You can't even argue that any of those episodes contain more Character Development than Winter Night Phantom (one of the best episodes of the entire series).

Electric City could have been done much better. Its disappointing to have a great start to the series with Acts 1 and 2, then steamroll right into this drivel. The episode plods from point to point, and its only significance is to introduce Angel as a character. Next thing you know, Roger is wearing an apron, cooking eggs for a guy who not only five minutes prior, knocked him on his ass... wtf...

Bring Back My Ghost fails from a plot point of view. I seriously, seriously doubt that the supposed death of a single officer would quell a WAR between civilians and police, especially when in the scene right before Bonnie's fall, civilians were charging the police line and throwing molotov cocktails, and if I recall correctly, one was SHOOTING A GUN... (YES I JUST WATCHED IT... A GUY SHOOTS A MACHINEGUN AT THE POLICE). Also, later in the episode, the police chief empties a clip at Bonnie and fails to hit him, but then throws the gun and clocks Bonnie in the face. Also, Bonnie's mother is the most hideous thing I've ever seen... alive or animated.

Missing Cat would have been a great episode if the villain wasn't so annoying and didn't appear from straight out of nowhere. You don't know about him for half the episode, then all of a sudden he's got an underground base with henchmen, a giant monster, and a research facility. He also says the most stereotypical, not to mention lame, maniacal villainspeak I've ever heard. Some better character design (not to mention voice acting) would have yielded a much better villain for this episode. Missing Cat seems like nothing else but filler.

Daemonseed had the most potential of all of these to be a good episode... but it was done completely wrong. Everything in this episode sets the stage for greatness, but never lives up to it. The Christmas backdrop is BRILLIANT, as it relates a real world tradition into Paradigm City, where people celebrate it, but don't know what it means! But the episode deviates from this plan and instead becomes A CHRISTMAS EPISODE... GOOD LORD, WHY! The introduction of Oliver and his wife seems interesting at first, but only develops into something horribly corny. I also had a few problems with the tree bit, like when it starts growing out of Oliver's pocket and he doesn't feel it... that's just stupid... and how the hell did it get decorated like a Christmas Tree... where did that all come from?



Compare that to Season 2's lone stinker, Day of the Advent, which, at best is only a sub-par episode. I don't even show people the above episodes when I introduce them to Big O.

Those episodes are nothing but filler, and it is blatantly obvious. You cannot argue that they are character development, because all four involve characters we never see again, but play a major part throughout the episode; it's like a build-up to nothing. More importantly, there are other episodes which are infinitely better at character development. Season 1 had some good episodes, but it also had some pretty terrible ones. Overall, Season 2 just had better episodes, better fights, and better stories.

Spoderman... once again, I must completely and toally disagree with you in the strongest way.

I don't watch Big O for story or charater development. I watch it because it is fun to watch. Season 1 was more enjoyable. It was simpler, more homely, and focused on people rather than huge rambling conspiracies. I had fun watching it, and I liked it much better than Season 2.
The art was better, the characters were more interesting and it made sense. Who gaves a damn if it was about a bloody missing cat or a cop that fell off a bridge? It's anime, and I take it for what it's worth.

Season 2 is not supierior in any way, period. It wasn't any good. In my eyes, if in no one else's, you are wrong. You may take that in any way you please.

I'm gonna have to agree with Mr.Randolph on this one. Season one pwns Season two, in everyway. The whole "it's one loooooong episode" feel of season two was weak, and after episode I think 18 it started to fall apart.