Ask [AS] Results: BIG-O Season 3 News

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Originally posted by Cerpin Taxt My cynicism and overall me going-all-hellfire-and-brimstone stems from a long time ago (a year, maybe). Part personal vendetta, and part me not liking the approach to getting a third season. Should there be a third season of the Big O? Possibly. We could live without one and live with the fact that the ending was confusing (Eva and Paranoia Agent, anyone?). If there were to be, awesome. However...that isn't the way to go towards it. Oh yeah, and my name was mentioned in a thread over there somewhere a while back. I don't think it exists any more, but it sure wasn't anything nice. I'm not really the bad guy here, dudes.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, Cerpin Taxt, and you have every right to express it as you see fit, but I do think that a change in attitude would make you look less like the bad guy. While your responses might stem from some long ago quarrel, please realize that many of those you are addressing, myself included, had nothing to do with whatever it was that upset you. Save Big O is a group comprised of individuals, not single-minded body that is out to get you because you disagree with what you perceive to be its tactics, you don’t have to lash out at every post that mentions SBO.

On a completely separate note, I also personally find your condescending use of stereotypical Christian terminology to be a bit insensitive. I’m not necessarily referring to your “fire-and-brimstone” reference in this thread, but saying that keeping discussions involving Save Big O at SaveBigO.com was “the good Christian thing to do” was tactless in my opinion.

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Originally posted by <\:/> On a completely separate note, I also personally find your condescending use of stereotypical Christian terminology to be a bit insensitive. I’m not necessarily referring to your “fire-and-brimstone” reference in this thread, but saying that keeping discussions involving Save Big O at SaveBigO.com was “the good Christian thing to do” was tactless in my opinion.

And for that, I am sorry. I actually didn't mean to offend anyone by that. It was just the first thing that came to mind.

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Originally posted by Gaddes quote: Hmm, this response just makes me positive that we should be directing our efforts towards another anime network. Exactly what I was thinking. CN clearly isn't going to do it, and there's always other's out there, like the Anime Network or G4 TV.

*sigh* If anyone else does it ANY chance of me seeing go down the drain, I doubt I'll even be able to see Season 2 again, as I can't fins to DVD for region 2 players+TVs.

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Or maybe more people aren't participating due to the approach. Contacting CN has proven to be useless, but if there were an alternate method, it would probably give people more hope and thus encourage them to participate. And if this were done in a more of a neutral and decentralized manner rather than alienating the rest of the Big O fans (i.e., "IF YOU DON'T JOIN THIS PARTICULAR SITE, IT MEANS YOU DON'T WANT MORE BIG O!!!!!11"), it would greatly increase the fanbase available for the campaign.

I know that many people don't like the approach - people can join and then try to change things from within once you have larger numbers. Certainly, I don't see anything wrong with the approach. I'm moderately certain we don't do anything that is considered crazy by the standards of most protest groups.

Unfortunately, we do have a small central group - I have no idea how many, but I would guess around 20-30 at most. That was one of the reasons we opened that blog on myspace.

Hmm - I didn't know if Krang or Zola had a fall out in the past, but I think the main reason having www.savebigo.com seperates from Paradigm City is organizational purposes. Many people here like the series, but don't want a third season or don't think that there needs to be one, and all think there are varying methods for how a third season could be obtained as well.

When people give reasons why they think there shouldn't be a third season or tear down the process, it distracts from the overall campaign. Organization, unity, and agreeableness it necessary for something to even have a chance at working.

I guess in short it means some people would discourage potential campaigners. Hence, the different forums. Not really good since the forums at www.savebigo.com aren't that active anyway - but it is a good idea in theory.

It isn't really that surprising. The same principle applies everywhere. Nobody wants to have people discouraging others from "the plan".

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Originally posted by ScionofDestiny Hmm - I didn't know if Krang or Zola had a fall out in the past, but I think the main reason having www.savebigo.com seperates from Paradigm City is organizational purposes. Many people here like the series, but don't want a third season or don't think that there needs to be one, and all think there are varying methods for how a third season could be obtained as well. When people give reasons why they think there shouldn't be a third season or tear down the process, it distracts from the overall campaign. Organization, unity, and agreeableness it necessary for something to even have a chance at working. I guess in short it means some people would discourage potential campaigners. Hence, the different forums. Not really good since the forums at www.savebigo.com aren't that active anyway - but it is a good idea in theory. It isn't really that surprising. The same principle applies everywhere. Nobody wants to have people discouraging others from "the plan".

If I could just jump into the discussion here with a few thoughts on this...

I agree with what you said about a campaign for a 3rd season needing special attention (like you said about "organization, unity, and agreeableness"), but I still don't see why a separate site was ever necessary. I personally think that a prominent sub-section would probably have served the purpose just as well, if not better. As others have mentioned, you'd have a large number of Big O fans in one central place, and those that were interested would post and those that weren't likely wouldn't. If there started to be a lot of discussion about the pros and cons of even having a 3rd season, maybe we could have set up a "sticky" thread for discussing that issue. I don't see why the potential problem of people "discouraging others from 'the plan,'" would have been something unique to Paradigm. I mean, supposedly anyone can sign up at SBO, including many who also post here. Isn't that just a potential drawback of any kind of campaign? Sure, people don't always agree, especially about methods of enacting change, but don't differing and new opinions coming in help bring new ideas to the cause? And if people did start personally attacking other members who they didn't agree with, isn't that what warnings and bans are for? I think that the only thing that this whole separation issue has resulted in are two competitive sites.

Also, more generally, I wanted to point out that we've never had any problems with any of the sub-forums being attacked from members who didn't agree with them or weren't interested in the subject matter. For instance, we started two sub-sections for a couple of other anime shows that we enjoy (Fullmetal Alchemist and Samurai Champloo) that happened to be airing on Cartoon Network. We offered them for people who were looking for weekly episode discussions again or who just wanted to discuss the shows in general. But no one had to post there and those who weren't interested didn't. The worst that usually happens if a lot of people aren't interested or don't agree with something is there isn't a lot of new discussion on that topic.

CN is a filiale of the Time Warner company. If CN works, it is because the Time Warner company decided that. Thus if the Big O, which is displayed by CN, can exist, it is surely thanks to the Time Warner company. Ok I know another TV chanel can display the Big O, but there are contracts between Sunrise and CN, I think.

Is it possible to contact the root of the problem ? I mean can we contact the Time Warner company to "do something for the Big O" ?

Or maybe they don't care !

What you say about Time Warner is potentially true, and ...

Hmm ... what you say about Paradigm City and Savebigo might be the case, but it seems too late to do anything about it right now.

Time Warner would care less than Cartoon Network. The higher you go, the less they care about the smaller markets, markets like animé. To them it's all about Gilmore Girls, Charmed, The OC, 24... etc.

If it could be prooved there would be more money to make than it would cost to aquire/make/dub or whatnot, I'm fairly sure Time Warner would be interested. They're about money, after all.

My guess is that the second season wasn't deemed profitable, so they're not too interested in a third.

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My guess is that the second season wasn't deemed profitable, so they're not too interested in a third.

So if what you are saying is true, and I am sure you are, that means that the scenario can continue to a third, a fourth, a fifth, etc ..... season if they could have got money thanks to the Big O. That's what I am disgusted about : they can continue as long as they can get profit, and they don't care about the credibility of the scenario. I don't think they would say "the scenario is finished, now we will not continue the scenario by inventing anything to the fans, even if we gain a lot thanks to it". THEY DON'T CARE ! They can invent anything as long as they get money.

Maybe am I wrong ?

Well... the purpose of a company is to make a profit. If something is deemed profitable, why stop? If people stopped watching it, then there'd be a decrease in ratings, which leads to a decrease in income from commercials, which can lead to a show's end. Or, whoever has creative control can decide not to do another season, and in that case, it'd be hard to bankroll something that doesn't exist.

Ditto. Everyone wants to make money. I'm not happy about it, but that is the times we live in. Worldly success is viewed as both divine favor and/or personal accomplishment.

Economically, you can't spend money on a series that won't make money. Do that, and then you'll have to lay people off, lower wages, and overall just be self-destructive toward your company. Bandai and Sunrise, for example, are in no danger of making Big O - they have the Gundam series.

This is why some people are prepared to go for a manga continuation, direct DVD release, or even a novel so that they can see what happens next. While a animated series would be nice, we have to remember that novels, comics, and TV/Animated series are formats for one single thing - a story.

I'd be totally willing to go for a manga continuation of the animated series - as long as it followed the original anime plot and the storyline was written by the same team that did it for the anime. I don't want to continue the current Big O manga, I want the series.

You know - there is a novel called "the Paradigm Noise" - it is for Big O. It was never translated into English. I wonder what it is about?

I think a direct DVD release would be nice. However, I would be a bit worried about the quality.

It would probably fall around the same quality as the first season.