why so much hate?

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40+ vol's and counting. Just like the anime, it goes no where.

Damn, man, that's just asinine. Even the Bible has a conclusion. When does it end?

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Miroku is also a waste."OMFG!!! Wind Tunnle thingy!!!! ROX!!! HEY SANGO, GUESS WHAT?!1?!" *cops a feel for the 800th time.*

That's the funniest thing about InuYasha ever. And it perfectly explains him too, just repeat around 100 times. Also, if counted that's probably the right amount of times he's 'copped a feel'... and just on Sango too.

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Sango is another charecter that is just kinda there. "BOOMERANG ATTACK!! GOOOOOO!!!!!" Enemy dodge's and slap her around.* "OMFG INUYASHA!!!! LIKE HELP!"

I don't know about this one man and its probably because I'm a little biased but still, Sango has one of the biggest reason to actually hunt and kill Naraku. He's keeping her brother, who should be dead, a prisoner by keeping him alive, doing his dirty work and having him fight Sango once in a while. That sucks.

But when you look at the others, they got no reason, or pretty poor ones to go after Naraku. Miroku's is straight because he needs to kill Naraku before the Wild Tunnell does him in. But Inuyasha and Kagome? There's nothing really there. So he killed Kikyo... twice. So what? Its not like anyone but Inuyasha cares. Hell, Kikyo herself doesn't care. Getting revenge doesn't mean a thing to her, she just wanted to live again but I guess in Inuyasha's case, its hard to forget your first love. And Kagome... I love her but why is she going after Naraku? I get why she's going after the jewel shards (she broke the damn thing in the first place) but going after Naraku? Why?

And hell, Shippo's just there because he doesn't have anything or anyone else and hates being alone. Something to think about.
Peace.

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When does it end?

Ask Takahashi. All her manga are like 40+ vols and always(in my opinion) suck. They almsot always have the same theme too, so yeah more yawn factor. Berserk is getting close to that length but the thing is Berserk actually keeps getting more and more interesting.

I know this might be a bit...late, maybe, to add my two cents, but oh well, here goes:

I think the only reason that Inuyasha keeps going is that people keep watching it, and in some cases, worshiping it...I mean, I used to be that way (it's actually the series that got me into anime in the first place, so I guess it'll always have a special place in my heart ), but there are people who go way overboard with it...for instance, I know one young lady who insists on being called Kagome...in public. Most of her school supplies are covered in Inuyasha stuff, and she has God knows how many picture clippings and screenshots in her binder.

Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that (and I may be horribly wrong, so feel free to correct me) the people who watch it to the point of obsession are the ones to blame for it's continuation. I mean, as long as people are buying the merchandise, Takahashi's gonna keep throwing more stuff out there, which in turn brings out more products, which people buy, and then demand more...it's a vicous cycle.

I don't know if that made any sense, but yeah..that's my two cents worth.

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I know one young lady who insists on being called Kagome...in public.

So...what, you work in a psychiatric ward?

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public high school

Oh, my mistake.

A taxpayer funded psychiatric ward.

No...that's just Texas public high school....

This is the earliest thread about the topic of InuYasha to date so I'm just going to post my response here.

Anyway, we all know that the InuYasha series as problems. Major problems; repeating and bad storyline, horrible screenplay (assuming there is one for the majority of the time), stereotypical and annoying characters (Shippo) but I'm posting this because last night, Adult Swim aired the latest episode of InuYasha which is a two-part story about the love relationship between Inuyasha and Kikyo.

And I just have to say, this was the best InuYasha has been in a... in a... while, hell let's just say its been a long damn time.

For one thing its all in the past, so no Kagome, no Miroku, no Sango, and no Naraku (at least yet in this part of the story) so that's a refreshing thought. Its narrated by Kaede (I'd get that right? Okay...) and shows her as a young'n. The story goes on to talk about the Dark Priestess (she was in series awhile back) putting a curse on Kikyo, because they both have the notion that Kikyo will never fall in love. Anyway, Sango's father finds the Sacred Jewel and gives it to Kikyo to have it purifyied and Inuyasha is shown fighting demons and decides to go after the Sacred Jewel himself. Kikyo and Inuyasha finally meet (first in his human form) and they fight each other but soon afterwards, they start developing a friendship, and then they fall in love.

It was cool to watch because there's an in depth look into Kikyo, her relationship with Inuyasha and how that began, and Inuyasha taking it back to how he was in the beginning of the series, a jerk of a rebel that didn't care if lived but prefered that you died by his hands. Seriously, and this is a reference to the WWE fans here, but Inuyasha has transformed into a mirror version of John Cena, an annoying goody that we're all sick of. Good to see this side of him again.

Basically I'm saying that after this two-part story arc is over, InuYasha will probably go back to sucking again but with the latest episode, right now, it makes it look fresh and interesting again.
Peace.

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Originally posted by M.S. Feather I noticed people in this thread comparing Inuyasha to DragonBall. DBZ is guilty of dragging things on as well but at least in DBZ there was some major character development. The cast got older, switched sides, had children, etc. In the case of Inuyasha, the show has been running for a very long time now but it’s still the exact same group of people on the exact same journey. Almost little to no progress has been made in the storyline or the characters relationships. There is nothing inherently wrong with the story, it is simply being handled in a very bad way. I used to watch Inuyasha but at one point it just became exhausting. If I’m going to spend thirty minutes of my day watching something, I at least want it to feel like there’s a point to watching it. There are simply some shows in this world that have dragged on for far too long and need to be put to rest.

Feather has said basically what 80% of Inuyasha "haters" want to say...but only in a Mother Teresa way. (I would have used more curses)

Inuyasha is a complete and utter waste of time. I've seen enough of the series to know that I don't want to watch more (that's roughly 20-30 non-totally-consecutive episodes). You'd definately not use this series if you wanted to prove the Pokemon + Yugioh steriotyping of Anime wrong (that being: random, stupid silly, and repeative).

I can't remember where I've said it, or when, but I'll say it (or something close to it) again:

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Time spent watching Inuyasha on [adult swim] -- 30 minutes Approx. length of episode -- 22 minutes Amount of predictable actions done by characters -- 15 minutes Time of recap of previous episode -- 4 minutes Time spent on actual plot developement -- 3 minutes Spending 30 minutes beating your TV set with a large rock in frustration for having your IQ lowered -- Priceless There are some things money can't buy, for everything else, there's The Big O

It's not that the show is bad, it's just some characters are developed les than others and like many would say the seiries is pretty damn long. Honestly, one of the reasons I loved watching the show was Shesshoumaru. He is so cool, and he has Rin for a traveling companion. Coolest character the show offered in my opinion.

Other than that, I gave upon the show. But I still have a place reserved for it on my top ten favorite animes list.

Inuyasha isn't supposed to be a groundbreaking anime though - as opposed to science-fiction Neon Genesis or Fullmetal Alchemist. It aims for a preteen audience and catches both them and a few adults who are too tired from a day's work to care where humor comes from - they need it, and they need it now.

As a rule, Science-Fiction, even with Fantasy themes, is a much better and more quality work than Fantasy. Fantasy has become an old and worn hat since Tolkien pretty much came up with every idea in existence - an act in which Tolkien both saved and destroyed the Fantasy genre. Saved it because it was going nowhere. Destroyed it because he took every fundamental idea from every mythology that had serious worth and went to town with it.

If Science-Fiction is bad, it is usually because the writers didn't really try to make it good. Scientific theories are so broad-based and raise so many metaphysical questions (if you let them) that the only way it is bad is if your lazy and don't try.

Likewise, most people think that Fantasy mixed with Science-Fiction (Final Fantasy for example) is much better than ordinary Fantasy.

It is worth mentioning - as far as Literature (not Video Games) is concerned, Mythology is quite distinct from Fantasy. Don't confuse the two as being one, because they aren't. Moreover, Mythological themes can appear in Science-Fiction just as easily as in Fantasy.

I guess I got way off point. The point(s) as follow are:

1. Inuyasha is pure Fantasy.

2. As a result, it is boring and cliched. Most Americans aren't aware of it, but it is also completely unoriginal - teenange girl in Feudal Japan has been done before, anime, manga and elsewhere. The whole idea is stagnant. Put simply, Inuyasha doesn't bring anything new to the plate that we haven't seen before.

3. Bad plot writing. Just terrible. I know, I really do, why many people feel like Inuyasha is a good quality work - because it's funny - but that doesn't make it good. While I'll admit that Inuyasha can be funny, it does so at the expense of the "action", "angst", and "romance" side of the plot. They grow weak while the comedy grows strong. The sad thing? It doesn't have to be that way. One can mediate between the genres with near perfection, making a decent series. The creators of Inuyasha just decided not too. In conclusion, the problem with the plot in Inuyasha is that it is in Disharmony and Out of Balance.

4. The characters are stagnant. They don't really develop - any development is just an illusion of development - a temporary fix. Character development is a psychological need in the viewer. All Mind-Souls are developing people (scientifically and spiritually) and seeing characters trapped in homeostatis becomes torturous. Example? Attitude doesn't really change, long-term, with the "romance" scenes - hence, it's like it never even happened.

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Originally posted by Zenigata-Da-Vida I can't remember where I've said it, or when, but I'll say it (or something close to it) again: quote: Time spent watching Inuyasha on [adult swim] -- 30 minutes Approx. length of episode -- 22 minutes Amount of predictable actions done by characters -- 15 minutes Time of recap of previous episode -- 4 minutes Time spent on actual plot developement -- 3 minutes Spending 30 minutes beating your TV set with a large rock in frustration for having your IQ lowered -- Priceless There are some things money can't buy, for everything else, there's The Big O

Evan, I'm still I guess an InuYasha fan but that's the best thing I've read regarding the series. Nice.

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Originally by ScionofDestiny I guess I got way off point. The point(s) as follow are: 1. Inuyasha is pure Fantasy. 2. As a result, it is boring and cliched. Most Americans aren't aware of it, but it is also completely unoriginal - teenange girl in Feudal Japan has been done before, anime, manga and elsewhere. The whole idea is stagnant. Put simply, Inuyasha doesn't bring anything new to the plate that we haven't seen before. 3. Bad plot writing. Just terrible. I know, I really do, why many people feel like Inuyasha is a good quality work - because it's funny - but that doesn't make it good. While I'll admit that Inuyasha can be funny, it does so at the expense of the "action", "angst", and "romance" side of the plot. They grow weak while the comedy grows strong. The sad thing? It doesn't have to be that way. One can mediate between the genres with near perfection, making a decent series. The creators of Inuyasha just decided not too. In conclusion, the problem with the plot in Inuyasha is that it is in Disharmony and Out of Balance. 4. The characters are stagnant. They don't really develop - any development is just an illusion of development - a temporary fix. Character development is a psychological need in the viewer. All Mind-Souls are developing people (scientifically and spiritually) and seeing characters trapped in homeostatis becomes torturous. Example? Attitude doesn't really change, long-term, with the "romance" scenes - hence, it's like it never even happened.

Nicely put, Scion. I agree completely.
Peace.

The "best" part of this show is you can apparently just completely skip fifty or so episodes, watch one, and you haven't really missed anything.

The same stock anime comedy (LOL AWKWARD SITUATION=BIG SWEATDROP! MIROKU YOU SO CRAAAZY!), and they're fighting some...completely random, one-time demon that winds up being established for three episodes, then just swiftly dealt with like it was nothing, followed by a cut to naraku sitting in a dark room ominously rambling to himself about how he's got some big twist in store for them.

That...seems to be every single episode.

edit: Seconding the shippo hate in a BIG way.

And I never got the time travel thing.

If it's actually that kagomes gone back in time, then technically shouldn't there be some wild deviation when she returns to the present? Like she comes out of the well, and oh hell, breaking the jewel meant that world war 2 went the opposite direction and theres swastikas all over tokyo or...dinosaurs with lasers for eyes roam the planet now, or something.

And if it's an alternate timeline with no real effect on the present...why even bother, she could just go "Oh yeah...you people are SCREWED" and then pour concrete into the well and go on with her life.

Granted the second one would make this...what, four episodes long? It'd be HYSTERICAL if thats the last episode, the series builds to the competion of all these character arcs, and then does a full 180 as kagome just goes "...wait screw this, I have a term paper due" and wanders off.

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The "best" part of this show is you can apparently just completely skip fifty or so episodes, watch one, and you haven't really missed anything.

Even though that's a really bad part of the system (if there even is one), I have to agree on how that is the 'best' part of InuYasha. The complete polar opposite of say Ghost in the Shell, where you miss the first fifteen minutes and you're basically screwed for rest of the season.

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The same stock anime comedy (LOL AWKWARD SITUATION=BIG SWEATDROP! MIROKU YOU SO CRAAAZY!), and they're fighting some...completely random, one-time demon that winds up being established for three episodes, then just swiftly dealt with like it was nothing, followed by a cut to naraku sitting in a dark room ominously rambling to himself about how he's got some big twist in store for them.

True dat, true dat. But there's also the episode where Kagome goes back to her time and somehow, the plot manages to get even worse and anything involving Shippo for more than two minutes (Sharpie, I hate Shippo like how you hate Ed from Bebop).

After a while, all the episode start to look the same.

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I like the new pic Nine XXVI.

Thanks a lot man. Yeah, I like the Misato theme I'm rocking and I'm going to try and keep for as long as I can.
Peace.

I like the new pic Nine XXVI.

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The "best" part of this show is you can apparently just completely skip fifty or so episodes, watch one, and you haven't really missed anything

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YOUR RIGHT - although, oddly enough, I actually found this to be a redeeming part of the series. It was refreshing to zonk out for thirty episodes and then pop in for a quick laugh - just to check out how the "Inuyasha gang" is doing. As much as I love controversey and mystical-psychological thinking combined with scientific material (EvangelioncoughBigO), it is nice just to watch an anime that makes me chuckle.

"Inuyasha" is like the relative you go visit for thirty minutes, laugh it up with them, and then slip out quietly when their back is turned - preferably done when no one is looking.

Hmm, I've been absent for a while, and this is kind of an odd way to make a return to the Big O forum, by posting in an Inuyasha thread, but oh well. I actually rather like Inuyasha, and I have a soft spot for "underdogs" (bad pun intended), which is what Inuyasha seems to be in this thread, since most of the discussion involves dumping out what people don't like about the show. So here are my thoughts.

As has already been pointed out, a lot of the criticism of the series comes from the fact that it is long, very LONG, and spends a lot of time meandering around without actually going anywhere. While I am of the opinion that good series must eventually have an end, this problem is part of something that plauges many anime. It seems like a lot of anime titles have a hard time shifting gears from being episodic to being plot driven. Even Big O, of which we are all obviously fans, or we wouldn't be in here, has some episodes that just don't contribute much to the overall plotline.

Being formulaic is another problem. Consider Evangelion, a really brilliant title that often gets held up as one of the best anime of all time. I like Evangelion, but you could say that a lot of eva does follow a formula: Shinji agonizes over blah. Misato either encourages or hassles him about it. Gendo says something mysterious. Boobies! We learn how messed up one of the characters in the show is. An angel attacks. Boom! Next episode. I'm not knocking Evangelion. But even eva fans would have to admit that this is a pretty acurate description of how many of the episodes go.

So Inuyasha is long, gets overly episodic at times, and can be predictable. These are legitimate grievances against the show. But the series has its merits, too. As far as length goes, the story is a romance -- not steamy novel with Fabio on the cover type romance, but the genre of romance. It's a love story told through a series of defferals. Part of the fun of Inuyasha is that the audience wanders through the story along with the characters, learning bits and pieces of the plot here and there along the way. The characters do develop, such as Sesshoumaru deciding to save Rin, and there is also a kind of oblique development going on, where the characters don't always change, but the audience's perceptions of them change as we learn more details about them. Admittedly, not everyone likes this long, roundabout pace. Some people like to go for a walk; some would rather jog or run. But to say that nothing whatsoever happens in the story is to ignore all of the major plot elements that do go on.

As to the arguments about fantasy being of a lesser kind than science fiction, I have to disagree. Saying one is better than the other is like saying apples taste better than oranges. This is only true if you like the taste of apples better than the taste of oranges. And much of sci-fi reads like fantasy with the details pencilled in. But sometimes, we don't care about the details. Inuyasha is about a modern day girl who falls down a well and comes out in the distant past, where she meets a mystical boy who is wrapped up in a tragic love story with a woman who turns out to be the girl's ancient ancestor. So of course the set out on an adventure together. We could make it a sci fi story easily -- just have the well be a technological time travel device, fill in all sorts of nifty psuedo science about why the fantastical creatures can do what they do, and throw in a lot of angst about whether time travel is an abuse of man's powers of science Tell the story that way, and you'll get science fiction. But fantasy fans don't care about how the well made Kagome travel back in time. They'd rather listen to the part about the tragic love story again. That's part of the difference between the two genres. But it doesn't make one better than the other.

Of course, I'm kind of being a bit of a weasel here. I'm a fan of fantasy, and science fiction. I like Inuyasha, AND Big O and Evangelion. I don't really have favorites in the race. But I do wish the fans of the different series and genres didn't feel the need to put each other's favorite stories down. Having likes and dislikes is one thing, but the utter HATRED I see poured out over stuff like this is silly. It makes people mad; it causes people to insult each other and hurt one another's feelings, and doesn't do anyone a bit of good.

Ammaranth

(In true Inuyasha fashion, this post is the first of a 400 vol. set which will be released monthly for the next 33 years. Watch for a line of toys, pencil boards, and other swag coming soon to a forum near you. )

Well, the reason for the really harsh comments have nothing to do with quality. Those people probably don't like it, but the reason they're so tough on it is just that elite anime fans seem to hate anything mainstream. They seem to all go through fads together and hate anything that doesn't agree their current favorite show is the best thing ever. I remember back in the early days of Sailor Moon, Ramma and Tenchi were the big things. Then when DBZ came around, they all moved to Eva. When Eva started getting more known, Trigun became the best show ever. I don't know if that's how it still works, but it seems to still be like that. People who used to love FMA and Naruto have jumped ship now that they're being shown in America. They just want to impress the fans of the mainstream things with knowledge of an obscure show, me thinks.

Inuyasha isn't the cult anime that has suddenly been "ruined," but it's in the same place as DBZ and Sailor Moon by being the big thing that the elite nerds can put down to promote their newest fling. So, of course, it deserves no respect, I guess, and comments that don't really justify the hatred towards it like, "It's too long" get thrown around.

That's always been my take on it anyway.

I just never liked InuYasha from the beginning.

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Originally posted by Wazpy When Eva started getting more known, Trigun became the best show ever.

I still fail to see how anyone could consider Trigun the best show ever, no matter what the situation is. Though as someone who doesn't like things just because they are mainstream, I've been able to see the steady decline Inuyasha has taken with each new season. The show is just complete crap now as compared to the earlier episodes when it was actually original. Every new episode I watch seems to follow the EXACT same formula. I think what really ruined the show besides all the filler episodes was the introduction and longevity of Naraku. After the introduction of his 3,000th minion, you just stop caring…

InuYasha is a fun lightning rod show of debate, but I gotta admit I like tuning in each week just to catch up with these "old friends."

That said, I wasn't a big fan of last season's "Band of Seven" mega-arc. I enjoy the more two- or three-parter type stories.

But NOW, we seem to be getting somewhere, even though it's been a long story arc with mini-stories within.

Next week (Aug 1) looks to be a fun show with Sesshomuru (sp?) facing off against Naraku. And then there's InuYasha on the temporary sidelines. (Doubt he'll stay there.)

I loved last week's sequence when Sesshomuru appears and totally ignores Naraku to go give InuYasha a "witch with a b"-slap for defiling their father's grave. And Jakin's a cool dude too, literally riding on his master's coattails.

So we finally have the last jewel shard. Does that mean it's about over?

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Originally posted by Schoolie InuYasha is a fun lightning rod show of debate, but I gotta admit I like tuning in each week just to catch up with these "old friends." That said, I wasn't a big fan of last season's "Band of Seven" mega-arc. I enjoy the more two- or three-parter type stories. But NOW, we seem to be getting somewhere, even though it's been a long story arc with mini-stories within. Next week (Aug 1) looks to be a fun show with Sesshomuru (sp?) facing off against Naraku. And then there's InuYasha on the temporary sidelines. (Doubt he'll stay there.) I loved last week's sequence when Sesshomuru appears and totally ignores Naraku to go give InuYasha a "witch with a b"-slap for defiling their father's grave. And Jakin's a cool dude too, literally riding on his master's coattails. So we finally have the last jewel shard. Does that mean it's about over?

A triple threat match with Sesshomuru, Naraku, and Inuyasha? Its damn crazy enough to work. And yeah, Sesshomuru basically makes things better for the show when he shows up out of the blue. That's how sweet he is. I just wished they gave him a real emphasis in the show. I mean, dude doesn't really do anything as far as the show's all-around plot goes. Although, it seems apparent that Kaguara has a thing for him.

Also, yeah, I really hope this series ends because its needed to for a long, long time now. Like Schoolie said, the Band of Seven arc was weak for my taste and it could have been pulled off a lot better.

And how bad is it that I care more for Kaguara then I do for Naruka. That dude needs to get killed quick. And also, what happened to that "infant" thing of his as well?

And you guys are worried about the Big O's loose ends? Damn, at least those made more sense to leave them loose then this ones do here in InuYasha.
Peace.

Everytime a fangirl says they love Sesshomaru, I feel like ripping out their ovaries and get my clothes all bloody.

Please, think of my laundry.