Who is Big Fau's real Dominus?

I'm still having a hard time believing Alex Rosewater is Big Fau's true Dominus. I simply can't. Why? Because Alex Rosewater used Dorothy's memories to power up the White Megadeus. To me that doesn't sound like Alex Rosewater was sure of being the true pilot of the Third Big. Now for your thoughts on this mystery. What evidence would you point to in making the conclusion as to who is the real Dominus of Big Fau?

Alex definitely isn't Big Fau's Dominuce, because it rejected him and shut down during its struggle with Big O.

The way I currently see it is that Big Fau was smuggled into Paradigm City unassembled with the help of Gabriel, who is a double agent. Alex views Big Fau as a "new" megadeus that will accept him as its dominus simply because Alex is "the son of God." What Alex doesn't know is that Big Fau was used 40 years ago, and was piloted by a chosen dominuce.

So who is Big Fau's true dominuce? Could it be Vera, as they were both foreign to Paradigm City?

I think Alex Rosewater is definitely Big Fau's dominus. In addition to the evidence of the color scheme (Angel and Roger wear the same colors as their megadeuses, and Schwardzwald's harlequin outfit had the same color scheme as Big Duo -- and he dressed Big Duo up in bandages like his), both Alex and Big Fau are big, stubborn, double-crossing jerks. They deserved each other.

Frankly, I don't think that there was anything much wrong with Big Fau. In Act 21, Big Fau worked perfectly until Alex insulted him, then Big Fau threw a tantrum and started blowing up the main dome. The only thing wrong with Big Fau was that he had no resistance to being shut down by Big O.

Even blowing up the Main Dome wasn't very much at odds with Alex's plans. Alex planned to destroy the world and rebuild it in his own image -- just not quite yet.

The two were made for each other.

Were the parts from R. Dorothy really necessary to restarting Big Fau? Maybe, maybe not. Alex ORDERED Beck to use the android gimmick again. He never bothered to ask if it was necessary. Beck was in no position to argue.

You make good points, Clockwork Tomato. However, there are two crucial facts that can't be ignored. In that episode The Third Big, Vera was clearly saying Big Fau wasn't ready. But...wasn't ready for what? Hand to hand combat? And this was BEFORE Alex even threw an insult to Big Fau. Add to the fact that the worker in Act 26 said to Alex that he didn't have to worry about not being able to control Fau after installing Dorothy's memory core...that leads me to suspect Alex Rosewater HAD to steal Dorothy's memories to power up Big Fau.

After all, why did Alex have to steal Dorothy's memories for? He could have ordered Beck's minions to kill Dorothy and forget about her. No...he had Beck's people kidnap Dorothy. She obviously was very important to Alex Rosewater..and not even his delusional belief in being God's ONLY son was going to prevent him from appropriating something that would justify his grandiose scheme with Big Fau.

Alex Rosewater's belief in himself prevented him from realizing Big Fau wasn't for him. His greed and desire for dominant control over Paradigm City is what drove him into claiming Big Fau was for him alone to use as he chose to. And then there is that final scene just before Big Venus is approaching at the end. I've been thinking about this scene...the one where you suspect Big Venus is preventing Big Fau from firing that last shot because you watch Alex Rosewater helplessly struggle in his seat trying to get Big Fau to do something. I dont' think that's what happened. I think Big Fau was doing a Big Duo and rejecting Alex Rosewater. There's no proof Venus was deliberately preventing Fau from firing that last salvo. Since Venus was going to reset Paradigm City anyway...it wouldn't have mattered had Fau gotten off that fatal cannon blast. Fau was rejecting Alex Rosewater.

I'll edit the post when I can.
--------------------------------------
I'm not sure Beck was ordered not to kill Dorothy, after all, he seemed pretty upset when he saw her 'on the slab'. How bigger a part did he have in the kidnapping? It's never really said. It allways seemed to me it was him who kidnapped her but some one else to removed her memories. Thus his shock at her state back at The Smith mansion.
If he knew what was going to happen to Dorothy then why was he shocked?
even though he keeps kidnaping her he never seems to directly hurt her.

I partly believe, but I'm not sure, that it wasn't Dorothy's memories that were needed, just the memories of an advanced robot to complete Fau. Dorothy was just to hand.

quote:

Originally posted by DorothyFan1 You make good points, Clockwork Tomato. However, there are two crucial facts that can't be ignored. In that episode The Third Big, Vera was clearly saying Big Fau wasn't ready. But...wasn't ready for what? Hand to hand combat? And this was BEFORE Alex even threw an insult to Big Fau. Add to the fact that the worker in Act 26 said to Alex that he didn't have to worry about not being able to control Fau after installing Dorothy's memory core...that leads me to suspect Alex Rosewater HAD to steal Dorothy's memories to power up Big Fau.

Vera was wrong about most things. She was probably wrong about this, too.

As for Beck assuring Alex that Big Fau was going to work, what better reason for confidence than knowing that Big Fau didn't have much wrong with him in the first place? Beck had no loyalty to Alex.

quote:

After all, why did Alex have to steal Dorothy's memories for? He could have ordered Beck's minions to kill Dorothy and forget about her. No...he had Beck's people kidnap Dorothy. She obviously was very important to Alex Rosewater..and not even his delusional belief in being God's ONLY son was going to prevent him from appropriating something that would justify his grandiose scheme with Big Fau.

Alex knew that Beck has used an android to hot-wire a Megadeus before. He'd had this solution in mind for a long time, and so did the Union. That's why all the androids were being killed in Act 19 (EYEWITNESS). Vera didn't want Alex to plug android brains into Big Fau.

It turned out that Fau didn't need no stinking android brains, as we saw in Act 21. He worked fine until Alex dissed him.

But once Alex couldn't revive Fau by other means, he went back to the tired old plan of using android brains. He didn't bother asking Beck his OPINION, just told him to do it. Beck didn't seem to think it was a good idea.
[/quote]

quote:

Alex Rosewater's belief in himself prevented him from realizing Big Fau wasn't for him. His greed and desire for dominant control over Paradigm City is what drove him into claiming Big Fau was for him alone to use as he chose to. And then there is that final scene just before Big Venus is approaching at the end. I've been thinking about this scene...the one where you suspect Big Venus is preventing Big Fau from firing that last shot because you watch Alex Rosewater helplessly struggle in his seat trying to get Big Fau to do something. I dont' think that's what happened. I think Big Fau was doing a Big Duo and rejecting Alex Rosewater. There's no proof Venus was deliberately preventing Fau from firing that last salvo. Since Venus was going to reset Paradigm City anyway...it wouldn't have mattered had Fau gotten off that fatal cannon blast. Fau was rejecting Alex Rosewater.

Nope. If we can believe Roger, stabbing a pilot with the probe cables turns them into "one being" -- absorbs the pilot into the Megadeus's identity. This is the opposite of rejection. I think what we were seeing was a struggle for dominance between Alex and Big Fau. Each wanted to be the top dog.

As for Big Venus erasing Big Fau on purpose, I think she did. The fact that all the monitors in the control room showed pictures of Roger Smith implies that Angel had a definite preference for Roger over every other man on earth. Nor was it an accident that Big Venus was walking straight for Big O, and not heading in some random direction.

quote:

Originally posted by Lost_Cyborg I'm not sure Beck was ordered not to kill Dorothy, after all, he seemed pretty upset when he saw her 'on the slab'. How bigger a part did he have in the kidnapping? It's never really said. It allways seemed to me it was him who kidnapped her but some one else to removed her memories. Thus his shock at her state back at The Smith mansion. If he knew what was going to happen to Dorothy then why was he shocked? even though he keeps kidnaping her he never seems to directly hurt her.

Beck's an engineering genius, so its likely he removed Dorothy's memories.

Beck does have a small role in Dorothy's kidnapping. I believe the robot scorpions that attacked the Smith Mansion were built by Paradigm Corporation. Beck was only there to wound Roger's pride. Alex Rosewater capitalized on Beck's hate of Roger to recruit him.

Beck starts doubting his involvement with Alex when Roger says he's thrown in with a despot. That doubt turns into regret after he removes Dorothy's memories, so Beck returns to the mansion offering to help Roger defeat Alex and save Dorothy. Beck's frustrated "Damn it all" not just covers his actions, he also can't find Roger in the mansion.

quote:

Originally posted by A Clockwork Tomato It turned out that Fau didn't need no stinking android brains, as we saw in Act 21. He worked fine until Alex dissed him.

Essentially your entire argument seems to rest on this point: Fau worked perfectly until insulted. However, upon review of that scene all I saw Alex do was implying that this was predicted in the memories, and then asserting that he was the core memory. Asserting he is the core memory is a logical conclusion considering that Fau had evidently been spitting out a 'error: no core memory detected' until the point in which Alex got in. How this could be insulting is beyond me.

Fau goes insane the moment Bonaparte is destroyed, and then attacks randomly. There isn't really any pattern to his attacks. He could probably bring down the dome by attacking the supports, which he partially does, but he also just attacks random buildings, and even the ground.

Sounds very articulate, no?

Further, until Dorothy's memories are inserted, Rosewater had to use Frankensteinian methods to even get Fau to activate, as shown in Hydra. Once the memories are inserted, he seems to have no trouble just getting up and blasting everything in sight.

There is also many correlations between an Androids memory and the memory cores of the Megadei. Dorothy, when speaking about her construction, particularly that of her brain, calls it the 'core technology.' The fact that Android brains are insertable into Megadei (with some makeshift workarounds) further implies that the two technologies are not dissimilar.

In fact, it could be argued that the Megadei that went about trying to grab Dorothy were themselves lacking a core memory and were simply trying to grab the closest most advanced one, which happened to be Dorothys. Which would make sense considering Dorothys 'I cannnot be your soul' comment to the Leviathan.

quote:

Originally posted by A Clockwork Tomato Nope. If we can believe Roger, stabbing a pilot with the probe cables turns them into "one being" -- absorbs the pilot into the Megadeus's identity. This is the opposite of rejection. I think what we were seeing was a struggle for dominance between Alex and Big Fau. Each wanted to be the top dog.

So, Duo was 'absorbing' Alan then? It seems pretty obvious that Alan is being rejected. The nature of the connection that was offered to Roger by Big O was far different than that of the ones done with Alan and Alex, the cords cautiously approached the dominus, and then allowed Roger to reject them without a fuss. Alan and Alex on the other hand, never had a choice. The cords snapped right into them, no possible consultation with the dominus possible.

That being said, I don't think that Alex was actually 'rejected' until the hourglass turned and began counting down. The initial connection was likely an attempt by Fau to 'reel Alex in' and suppress his megalomaniacal tendencies through the connection between them. Of course, this is simply my interpretation, and not really something we have seen extensive evidence for or against.

Although, personally I tend to think that the concept that the Bigs have a Dominus who is 'set' is a bit premature, it's shown that the Bigs can reject a dominus, who says they can't choose a new one?

quote:

Originally posted by Mr. Peabody quote: Originally posted by Lost_Cyborg I'm not sure Beck was ordered not to kill Dorothy, after all, he seemed pretty upset when he saw her 'on the slab'. How bigger a part did he have in the kidnapping? It's never really said. It allways seemed to me it was him who kidnapped her but some one else to removed her memories. Thus his shock at her state back at The Smith mansion. If he knew what was going to happen to Dorothy then why was he shocked? even though he keeps kidnaping her he never seems to directly hurt her. Beck's an engineering genius, so its likely he removed Dorothy's memories. Beck does have a small role in Dorothy's kidnapping. I believe the robot scorpions that attacked the Smith Mansion were built by Paradigm Corporation. Beck was only there to wound Roger's pride. Alex Rosewater capitalized on Beck's hate of Roger to recruit him. Beck starts doubting his involvement with Alex when Roger says he's thrown in with a despot. That doubt turns into regret after he removes Dorothy's memories, so Beck returns to the mansion offering to help Roger defeat Alex and save Dorothy. Beck's frustrated "Damn it all" not just covers his actions, he also can't find Roger in the mansion.

But Dorothy's head was a mess, admittedly; Beck was under a lot of stress, but even so he has more style then to just rip out 1/2 her head. I think it is more possible that he was made to tell anouther HOW to remove the memories incase he sabotaged the operation, as was just mentioned, he has no alliance to Alex, but the person/people who removed her memories didn't make a clean job of it.
However I agree with your thoughts on Beck's doubt and going back possibly to find Roger.

quote:

Originally posted by Lost_Cyborg quote: Originally posted by Mr. Peabody quote: Originally posted by Lost_Cyborg I'm not sure Beck was ordered not to kill Dorothy, after all, he seemed pretty upset when he saw her 'on the slab'. How bigger a part did he have in the kidnapping? It's never really said. It allways seemed to me it was him who kidnapped her but some one else to removed her memories. Thus his shock at her state back at The Smith mansion. If he knew what was going to happen to Dorothy then why was he shocked? even though he keeps kidnaping her he never seems to directly hurt her. Beck's an engineering genius, so its likely he removed Dorothy's memories. Beck does have a small role in Dorothy's kidnapping. I believe the robot scorpions that attacked the Smith Mansion were built by Paradigm Corporation. Beck was only there to wound Roger's pride. Alex Rosewater capitalized on Beck's hate of Roger to recruit him. Beck starts doubting his involvement with Alex when Roger says he's thrown in with a despot. That doubt turns into regret after he removes Dorothy's memories, so Beck returns to the mansion offering to help Roger defeat Alex and save Dorothy. Beck's frustrated "Damn it all" not just covers his actions, he also can't find Roger in the mansion. But Dorothy's head was a mess, admittedly; Beck was under a lot of stress, but even so he has more style then to just rip out 1/2 her head. I think it is more possible that he was made to tell anouther HOW to remove the memories incase he sabotaged the operation, as was just mentioned, he has no alliance to Alex, but the person/people who removed her memories didn't make a clean job of it. However I agree with your thoughts on Beck's doubt and going back possibly to find Roger.

right on...

alex was right about him being the core memory of Big Fau.Alex has a rodger andriod memory fragment(like all tomatoes with rodger being a exact replica of a rodger driod).Big Fau thinking Alex is a Rodger Driod lets him pilot as long as he supports the Big's cause.Big Fau going on alex's memory fragments so it stiill thinks it destroying NYC 40 years ago. Rodger negotiates with it(telling it that its cursed with memories from the past and by then Fau realizes its NOT 40 years ago so it turns itself off because its not needed.)Alex didn't know that the memories he had told fau to destroy NYC(Paradigm city) and remake the "stage" with a new order.

After alex saw "a truth" in the superdome.He came to one truth. That paradigm is a stage.Soon after Big Fau chose Alex because of this.Thats when Big Fau was read a memory back to Alex.Alex comming to the truth that he was a tomatoe started remembering.He being a clone of his dad and having memories from Gordon started becoming like Gordon was 40 years ago...a tyrant.

when Alex says "hey dad,you were a coward and a puppet and I am neither one of those and I'll show you" Fau chooses alex as its dominuce(because it supports its cause to destroy paradigm city and it craves alex's memories like what gordon says to Vera).But instead it is rigged by beck to only let alex control Fau fully without being absorbed completely.

I think dorthy's memory core was used as R&D more than anything.

probably for interfacing between bigs and machines(alan)or bigs and humans.

Alan gabriel (being used to activate Big Duo and being controlled by schwarzwald's ghost) just got caught by the ghost of schwarzwald(the actual dominuce of Big Duo)and Big Duo rejects him while seebach destroys Big Duo and saves rodger's life.

quote:

Originally posted by Lost_Cyborg But Dorothy's head was a mess, admittedly; Beck was under a lot of stress, but even so he has more style then to just rip out 1/2 her head. I think it is more possible that he was made to tell anouther HOW to remove the memories incase he sabotaged the operation, as was just mentioned, he has no alliance to Alex, but the person/people who removed her memories didn't make a clean job of it. However I agree with your thoughts on Beck's doubt and going back possibly to find Roger.

Yes. I remember now that Norman told Roger that Dorothy's memory core was ripped out. Then Beck did not remove them. Beck always shows flair in his crimes and inventions. Dorothy wouldn't of been comatose if Beck was the surgeon.

Doubtless Alex wanted those memories for Big Fau immediately and ordered his technicians to tear them out. Watching this would've confirmed Roger's earlier statements to Beck. Perhaps he even tried to protect Dorothy.

quote:

Originally posted by Mr. Peabody quote: Originally posted by Lost_Cyborg But Dorothy's head was a mess, admittedly; Beck was under a lot of stress, but even so he has more style then to just rip out 1/2 her head. I think it is more possible that he was made to tell anouther HOW to remove the memories incase he sabotaged the operation, as was just mentioned, he has no alliance to Alex, but the person/people who removed her memories didn't make a clean job of it. However I agree with your thoughts on Beck's doubt and going back possibly to find Roger. Yes. I remember now that Norman told Roger that Dorothy's memory core was ripped out. Then Beck did not remove them. Beck always shows flair in his crimes and inventions. Dorothy wouldn't of been comatose if Beck was the surgeon. Doubtless Alex wanted those memories for Big Fau immediately and ordered his technicians to tear them out. Watching this would've confirmed Roger's earlier statements to Beck. Perhaps he even tried to protect Dorothy.

That would explain the obligatory "Damn it" ...


*throws 2 cents in the collection barrel*

The real megdeus is gordon rosewater I geuss

quote:

Originally posted by corrupt The real megdeus is gordon rosewater I geuss

...o_O...
You mean "Dominus" right? A megadeus is that giant robot thingy...a Dominus is it's chosen pilot (with the exception of Beck...because he's an imbisile).

And although in respect you're 'wrong' (since Alex is Big Fau's dominus, as far as what the show was trying to present), you also could very well be 'correct' (maybe Gordon piloted a Big Fau in the last Loop?).

Here's another reason why Alex may not be the true Dominus of Big Fau. Notice that Angel ROSEWATER...is revealed in the end to be the director of Paradigm City. What I don't understand is why Angel didn't give any indication to Roger Smith about whose Dominus' Big Fau belonged to? Since Alex Rosewater is Angel's brother...one would ASSUME she had an inkling that Big Fau was in her brother's possession. If Angel had any knowledge of Alex having possession of Big Fau but DELIBERATELY keeping Roger in the dark would have been the end of Roger's friendship to Angel on the spot. I'm sorry this angle wasn't explored but it is something that has been bugging me about Angel's relationship to Alex Rosewater. But here's the startling thought...what if Alex didn't want Angel to know about his knowledge of Big Fau...and the resulting necessity of him STEALING Dorothy's memories to power it up? This lends credence to the thought that Alex couldn't be the true Dominus. And something else to consider...why would Dorothy's memory core grant Alex Rosewater information about his own past...if it's Dorothy's memories being accessed? This is clearly not possible...since Dorothy's memory core was being used without her permission and definitely not with Angel's foreknowledge.

Dorothy may have been tricking Alex Rosewater while within Big Fau's systems. I've always been suspicious of the "green sand hour glass" we see periodically during the final duel. There had to be some significance as to why we are constantly getting closeups of that hour glass during Alex's confrontations with Big O and during key sequences in the episode. One of them immediately comes up when we recall Alex Rosewater's defiant cry against Gordon Rosewater...his own father. He said he was going to prove them all cowards and that he, Alex Rosewater was going to be above them all. Shades of Doestoevsky's "Crime and Punishment" because it was another way of testing the Superman theory of being above morality to attain "noble" goals. When Alex made this boast...I'm convinced the moment was deliberate...Big Fau immediately attacks Alex Rosewater and attempts to absorb him into its systems. I think this was Dorothy's doing. Because just before...Roger Smith was thrown into the ocean with Big O. And Dorothy was messing up Alex Rosewater's grand plan...by tricking him into giving into his greed.

quote:

Originally posted by Zenigata-Da-Vida quote: Originally posted by corrupt The real megdeus is gordon rosewater I geuss ...o_O... You mean "Dominus" right? A megadeus is that giant robot thingy...a Dominus is it's chosen pilot (with the exception of Beck...because he's an imbisile). And although in respect you're 'wrong' (since Alex is Big Fau's dominus, as far as what the show was trying to present), you also could very well be 'correct' (maybe Gordon piloted a Big Fau in the last Loop?).

No I think that gordon rosewater can turn into a giant megdeus that kills big venus ...

quote:

Originally posted by DorothyFan1 Here's another reason why Alex may not be the true Dominus of Big Fau. Notice that Angel ROSEWATER...is revealed in the end to be the director of Paradigm City. What I don't understand is why Angel didn't give any indication to Roger Smith about whose Dominus' Big Fau belonged to? Since Alex Rosewater is Angel's brother...one would ASSUME she had an inkling that Big Fau was in her brother's possession. If Angel had any knowledge of Alex having possession of Big Fau but DELIBERATELY keeping Roger in the dark would have been the end of Roger's friendship to Angel on the spot. I'm sorry this angle wasn't explored but it is something that has been bugging me about Angel's relationship to Alex Rosewater. But here's the startling thought...what if Alex didn't want Angel to know about his knowledge of Big Fau...and the resulting necessity of him STEALING Dorothy's memories to power it up? This lends credence to the thought that Alex couldn't be the true Dominus. And something else to consider...why would Dorothy's memory core grant Alex Rosewater information about his own past...if it's Dorothy's memories being accessed? This is clearly not possible...since Dorothy's memory core was being used without her permission and definitely not with Angel's foreknowledge. Dorothy may have been tricking Alex Rosewater while within Big Fau's systems. I've always been suspicious of the "green sand hour glass" we see periodically during the final duel. There had to be some significance as to why we are constantly getting closeups of that hour glass during Alex's confrontations with Big O and during key sequences in the episode. One of them immediately comes up when we recall Alex Rosewater's defiant cry against Gordon Rosewater...his own father. He said he was going to prove them all cowards and that he, Alex Rosewater was going to be above them all. Shades of Doestoevsky's "Crime and Punishment" because it was another way of testing the Superman theory of being above morality to attain "noble" goals. When Alex made this boast...I'm convinced the moment was deliberate...Big Fau immediately attacks Alex Rosewater and attempts to absorb him into its systems. I think this was Dorothy's doing. Because just before...Roger Smith was thrown into the ocean with Big O. And Dorothy was messing up Alex Rosewater's grand plan...by tricking him into giving into his greed.

That's interesting because you do seem to give Dorothy a lot of credit and its a plausible and fanstatic theory. But I don't get one thing: You said that Angel should have notified Roger that her brother Alex had Big Fau in his possession and was going to use to destroy Paradigm City and if she continued to leave him in the dark, then Roger would have dropped her like Duo did to Gabriel. But the thing is, Angel and Alex never knew that they were related. Throughout the entire series, Angel never knew who she was in the first place until the last five minutes of Act 26 (give or take) and if she were to notify Roger by then, well it would have been a little bit too late.

But that's just my humble take on it.
Peace.

quote:

Originally posted by DorothyFan1 Here's another reason why Alex may not be the true Dominus of Big Fau. Notice that Angel ROSEWATER...is revealed in the end to be the director of Paradigm City. What I don't understand is why Angel didn't give any indication to Roger Smith about whose Dominus' Big Fau belonged to? Since Alex Rosewater is Angel's brother...one would ASSUME she had an inkling that Big Fau was in her brother's possession. If Angel had any knowledge of Alex having possession of Big Fau but DELIBERATELY keeping Roger in the dark would have been the end of Roger's friendship to Angel on the spot. I'm sorry this angle wasn't explored but it is something that has been bugging me about Angel's relationship to Alex Rosewater. But here's the startling thought...what if Alex didn't want Angel to know about his knowledge of Big Fau...and the resulting necessity of him STEALING Dorothy's memories to power it up? This lends credence to the thought that Alex couldn't be the true Dominus. And something else to consider...why would Dorothy's memory core grant Alex Rosewater information about his own past...if it's Dorothy's memories being accessed? This is clearly not possible...since Dorothy's memory core was being used without her permission and definitely not with Angel's foreknowledge. Dorothy may have been tricking Alex Rosewater while within Big Fau's systems. I've always been suspicious of the "green sand hour glass" we see periodically during the final duel. There had to be some significance as to why we are constantly getting closeups of that hour glass during Alex's confrontations with Big O and during key sequences in the episode. One of them immediately comes up when we recall Alex Rosewater's defiant cry against Gordon Rosewater...his own father. He said he was going to prove them all cowards and that he, Alex Rosewater was going to be above them all. Shades of Doestoevsky's "Crime and Punishment" because it was another way of testing the Superman theory of being above morality to attain "noble" goals. When Alex made this boast...I'm convinced the moment was deliberate...Big Fau immediately attacks Alex Rosewater and attempts to absorb him into its systems. I think this was Dorothy's doing. Because just before...Roger Smith was thrown into the ocean with Big O. And Dorothy was messing up Alex Rosewater's grand plan...by tricking him into giving into his greed.

no I don't agree.

I think Fau wanted the memory fragment within Alex.Alex was starting to "remember" and when people start to remember they in essence go insane or have huge personality changes(vera's voice and attitude change,Rodger's change from police officer to dominice Dorthy's change from amesia to fully remembering pre-40 years ago remembering Big Venus's name).Alex starts to become like his father was when he was in power...a tyrant.

I think Alex was the dominuce to Big Fau.Dominuces are not a highly selective thing. Dorthy's memory core was use for only 2 things.Reverse engining to find out how Bigs interface with dominuces(alan/alex)and to use it as Fau's memory core to turn him on.The hourglass was made to hack the normal bonding mechanism Between a Big and a dominuce(not attacking them its quiet the opposite).instead of obsorbing them and letting them control them completely beck made it so that it doesn't actually obsorb him yet he can still control Fau at full potenial.Big O offered the same thing because he wanted a power up instead Dorthy was used instead and Big O was being operated at full potenial.

So
Big Fau>Big O(on the ground power wise)
Big Fau>>>Big O(in the water)
Big O+Dorthy>Big Fau+alex
Big Fau+Alex>Big O
Big Duo(on the ground)<<<Big O
Big Duo(in the air)>Big O
Big Duo+alan(without schwarzwald killing him and Duo rejecting him)>Big O.

Big Fau was a better big than Big O its just....

*Rodger is more experienced as a pilot
*Rodger was the dominuce of megadeuce aka realized clone of a Rodger driod after comstant failure.
*andiods boost megadei performance exponentially(human<andriod)
*Big Venus saved rodgers live(rodger would have been shot as he was caught off guard).

Without that Force Field, Fau < O

And still, Roger didn't even get a chance to use the O Thunder, or that wierd thing he did on Hydra.

I believe that Dorothy did nothing else in that fight but reactivate Big O's ultimate weapon.


But judging from Roger's reaction of, "How did you know?"

I'd say he was about to do the same thing anyway

quote:

Originally posted by DorothyFan1 After all, why did Alex have to steal Dorothy's memories for? He could have ordered Beck's minions to kill Dorothy and forget about her. No...he had Beck's people kidnap Dorothy. She obviously was very important to Alex Rosewater..and not even his delusional belief in being God's ONLY son was going to prevent him from appropriating something that would justify his grandiose scheme with Big Fau.

I have a theory as to WHY Alex needed Dorothy's memorize. He could have hooked them up to Big Fau, not to power it, but to delude it from seeing the truth, that Alex is not the pilot. Maybe Dorothy has memory of the original pilot, and Alex hid behind the memory, making it seem that he was the chosen pilot for Big Fau. Big Fau saw behind the illusion by the was Alex acted. If Alex didnt say anything, he probly wouldve conqured.

Just a theory, you dont have to gauge my eyes out or anything like that.