Is Paradigm-City = New York City or a copy of this city?

Hmmmm?
I'm not sure, I'd have to do some more thinking.

Okay, I think we need a new thread dealing with Angel. Otherwise it gets rather unorganised and unstructured here. And we don't want that, do we? Samir, could you please open that thread with your initial questions?

Or lets open a more general thread.
But, on the angel, god side of things:

Leviticus Chapter 11
The distinction of clean and unclean animals.
11:1. And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying:
Locutus est Dominus ad Mosen et Aaron dicens


Now to find out what Dominus means... Shame it appears to be in latin...

I'll post anything more ralatively interesting like that now:

In the English version of the Mass we regularly hear
Holy, holy, (pause)
holy Lord, (pause)
God of power and might,
Heaven and earth are full of your
glory.

If we translated that from English into Latin, here is what the reconstructed text would be:

Sancte, sancte,
sancte Domine,
Deus etc. It seems 'deus' means 'god' so if I go into logistics... Megadeus coloud mean great(er) god

Clearly the English translation is wrong. Is it trivially wrong? In fact, no, as we shall see.

Consider the original text in the Missale Romanum, with the sentences numbered:

(1) Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus
Dominus Deus Sabaoth.

(2) Pleni sunt caeli et terra
gloria tua.

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Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus
and
Dominus Deus Sabaoth.

Each phrase is in the nominative case, and they are connected by an implied verb est, or "is". The sentence means,

"Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Sabaoth".

Alternatively, the sentence may be rendered as an exclamation:

"Holy, holy, holy, the Lord God Sabaoth"!

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Latin trans: latin trans link

Dominus:
Meaning:

master, lord.


Deus:
Meaning:

god.

Ok, let's continue with my original question. It is useless to modify anything.

I REPEAT : DOES PARADIGM CITY = NYC OR A COPY OF THIS TOWN ?

voilà, people will answer to me now

As you know from my theory earlier, I believe that PC = copy NYC

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Originally posted by Lost_Cyborg As you know from my theory earlier, I believe that PC = NYC

The original NYC thus. Not a copy. OK

And I still go with canon and say: We don't know.

Samir, I wasn't talking about modifying anything, I was talking about a new thread which deals with that Angel-questions of yours.

Ooops, sorry that was a typo, I ment PC = Copy NYC

EDIT
Does anyone mind if I make a decleration on how the questions on this thread are handled?

If you do I'll delete this:

Many Questions Can Be Talked About On This Thread.Just Please Put the Subject Matter At The Top Of Your Posts.

First of all, "dominus" means "lord" and "deus" means god. That's been discussed many, many times.

Secondly, I think Paradigm City IS New York, not a copy. You could think it is a copy, and there isn't any evidence to prove otherwise, but that adds another point of uncertainty to the whole show.

Third, I find definition 6 of "angel" to be intriguing:

quote:

6. Informal. A financial backer of an enterprise, especially a dramatic production or a political campaign.

This seems to fit with the whole theme of actors, stages, and Paradigm City just being a big TV production, a la The Truman Show.


Threads around here appear to follow the cycle of Paradigm City itself, with the same topics reappearing every so often.

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Originally posted by Lt. Sanji First of all, "dominus" means "lord" and "deus" means god. That's been discussed many, many times.

Dominus means "Lord" (in reference to Christ) and "master" (Ex. a master of a household, usually the husband in a Roman family). Deus means "a god" (note the "g") and it also means "God" ("G" when Christianity became the new religion of Rome).

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Secondly, I think Paradigm City IS New York, not a copy. You could think it is a copy, and there isn't any evidence to prove otherwise, but that adds another point of uncertainty to the whole show.

Indeed. Paradigm City is NYC... only half submerged underwater, lacking (probably for plot reasons or something) the major/famous skyscrappers (WTC, Empire State, Chrystler, etc), and it's gotten huge frickin domes built in it. The obvious differences were probably the result of 1) passage of time and 2) the Event/War of 40 years ago.

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Third, I find definition 6 of "angel" to be intriguing: quote: 6. Informal. A financial backer of an enterprise, especially a dramatic production or a political campaign. This seems to fit with the whole theme of actors, stages, and Paradigm City just being a big TV production, a la The Truman Show.

I concur that the "Angel" definition is (to my knowledge) a new find, and it is definately an interesting topic to think about >.> ...but I disagree with the "Truman Show" comparason. I've always disliked people saying "oh well it's only a ripoff/some-synonym-here of the Truman Show"...when it really isn't. There weren't any hidden cameras, there was no cover-up attempt when an "actor/actress" went out of character, and there were certainly attempts on Roger's life that went unopposed by "random extras". There are themes of questioning what reality is, definition of self, and how to walk through life...and then suddenly thrown in at the end with no warning is the introduction of a personification (or something) of the Shakespearian quote:

Dastun comes close to nearly quoting this, and Roger himself makes an allusion to this in "Roger the Wanderer" and some other brief times. Gordon Rosewater believes in this quote more than anyone. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that although Paradigm City has just become the physical representation of a Shakespear passage...doesn't mean that the world Big O, Big Fau, and Big Duo fought in was completely "fake", there's a chance something else happened at the end there than just both "TV Shows" ending.

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Threads around here appear to follow the cycle of Paradigm City itself, with the same topics reappearing every so often.

There's a "SEARCH" button located on the top of every page for a blatant reason. >_<

Oh you did NOT just correct my Latin definitions....

And I was just making a reference to the Truman Show because they are similar, not because they are exactly the same. I was comparing the big ideas, not minutia like hidden cameras.

AND if Big O is a show about a show, I hate it. I used to think it was cool--giant robots, cool hero, film noir style--but now I don't like it so much.

I've given up on trying to figure out the plot and now I'm just trying to glean major themes and symbols from it. Seems to be all it's good for.

well to continue on from my theory i think that the "world" of big o is just a Cgi creation it would explain the "resetting" and paradigm is definetly new york, that was a given with the "jfk mark" which just so happened to be the remains of a airport, jfk is in new york if im not mistaken

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Originally posted by Zenigata-Da-Vida "All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances, And one man in his time plays many parts, His acts being seven ages."

I keep seeing this saying! *is worried*

I'll update this with some proper info later, not much time now and I jut wanted to say that.

What do you mean "They didn't choose the good door"?

That's not even the situation. A normal "reset" would have taken the city right back to "40 years ago."

Roger's final Negotiation with Angel only took them back to the time of the beginning of the series, rather than complete and utter mindrape.

But was there ever a 40 years ago? After all memories are being wiped and implanted for a past time! What's so say that the memories of a 40 years ago are real?

New York, like on the hat there :

Right now, I'm reading the Great Gatby and a thought occured to me.

This is probably coincidence, but in that story by Fitzgerald, there exists two fictional areas of New York called the West Egg and the East Egg. The East Egg is far more sophisticated than the West Egg, though, Gatsby lives in the West. The Eggs in the story are merely the topographical landshapes while in Big O the Eggs could be the domes, seperating the fortunate from the suckers.

Gatsby can be considered as either Angel or Roger since he wants to be reunited with his loved one, Daisy, by repeating the past.

Well, this probably is all coincidence.

I vote for real NYC!