How old is Alex Rosewater ?

I think he must be around 40 - 50 years old .

But Roger said that 15 years ago Gordon R. operated kids. And Alex was a kid.

maybe he's 27, but just really ugly

According to the Big O art book, Alex is 43 (Roger is 25). This means he was born three years before "the events of 40 years ago," and so if he and Roger are both tomatoes, they aren't from the same crop.

Pygmalion

how can roger be 25, if he had a deal with G R 40 years previous

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Originally posted by corrupt how can roger be 25, if he had a deal with G R 40 years previous

Wow, good question ....

that wasnt rodger...

that was andriod rodger(and the rest of the tomatoes) got his memories from.

ok, wow ur smart

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Originally posted by corrupt how can roger be 25, if he had a deal with G R 40 years previous

Gordon said his agreement was with "a Roger Smith." Perhaps there's been more than one.

Pygmalion

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Originally posted by samirsouleyman But Roger said that 15 years ago Gordon R. operated kids. And Alex was a kid.

Actually, in the Japanese version Roger states "around 10 or 20" years. For what every reason the dub just changed it to exactly "15 years".

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Originally posted by Naojiro [quote]Originally posted by samirsouleyman But Roger said that 15 years ago Gordon R. operated kids. And Alex was a kid.

I believe the actual phrase used was 'approximately 15 years ago', the use of the word approximate makes it a little more of a 'loose' time frame, however it’s a part that's easy to miss.

That being said, we do know that there are at least two 'crops' of tomatoes; Alex was probably part of the earlier crop, the one that spawned the union.

What I want to know is why the heck Roger was remembering Alexs serial number, and why both Big O and Fau scrolled that number across their screens at two different points in the series.

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Originally posted by Pygmalion According to the Big O art book, Alex is 43 (Roger is 25). This means he was born three years before "the events of 40 years ago," and so if he and Roger are both tomatoes, they aren't from the same crop.

The only evidence of his age in the actual show comes in Act 20, where Angel says he "was born in this age of lost memories". A sign of a conflict between different writers' grand plans?

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Originally posted by corrupt how can roger be 25, if he had a deal with G R 40 years previous

There's clearly reincarnation in Paradigm. Dan Dastun runs into himself as a child in the theater showing "Winter Night Phantom." Outside the theater, there's a poster giving the stars as "Dan Dastun" and "Sybil Rowan."

R. Dorothy has achieved reincarnation by other means. The same is clearly true of R. Instro.

There are plenty of hints that there have been more than one Roger Smith, including the one we see in the flashback in HYDRA and the one in Gordon Smith's photo.

Roger's dream in Act 14 isn't really admissible as evidence because it's a dream, but it's set about 40 years ago, when the human Dorothy was alive, and we see many of the characters about the same age they are in real life, though Timothy Wayneright is about 40 years younger.

Another vision shows Angel directing the creation of her own false memories, designing R. Dorothy, and yearning for Roger Smith. This implies that Roger and Angel either live practically forever without aging or are reincarnated from time to time.

The flashbacks to Gordon's memory experiments show one child who is much taller than the others. It's made clear in Act 21? that this is Alex. He can't be more than, say, 6-8 years older than the other kids, I guess. He also claims to have been born after the Reset, so I'd say he's 40 at the outside and maybe as young as his early thirties. He looks older, though.

I think that everyone in paradigm has a kind of clone, so each time it resets, there is a new version of the person. You don't know how many times paradigm has been reset (think matrix and the 6 ones before neo) it could just be stuck in a loop, and no one knows

Actually, there were only five Ones. Just FYI.

The Cloning concept is interesting.
It has been discussed that each of the characters is actually
a child-clone of a certain individual.
With Paradigm as an artificial environment of sorts,
it would need an infinite supply of actors.
Certain people have been selected for their personas to be cloned
and reborn from time to time in order to keep the Great Production going.

But of course, I've just awoken and am probably forgetting something.

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Originally posted by Rekkoha Actually, there were only five Ones. Just FYI. EDIT: I stand corrected... The Cloning concept is interesting. It has been discussed that each of the characters is actually a child-clone of a certain individual. With Paradigm as an artificial environment of sorts, it would need an infinite supply of actors. Certain people have been selected for their personas to be cloned and reborn from time to time in order to keep the Great Production going. But of course, I've just awoken and am probably forgetting something.

Yeah, I think maybe its a kind of "big brother" style TV show, just a thought

In those Gordon R. flashbacks, you must remember all the children are about the same size except for one child, which is proven later to be Alex Rosewater, justifying that he truly could be older than Roger Smith, a child in the younger group.

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Originally posted by Document Oosha quote: Originally posted by Pygmalion According to the Big O art book, Alex is 43 (Roger is 25). This means he was born three years before "the events of 40 years ago," and so if he and Roger are both tomatoes, they aren't from the same crop. The only evidence of his age in the actual show comes in Act 20, where Angel says he "was born in this age of lost memories". A sign of a conflict between different writers' grand plans?

Rodger learned the truth that he was being called to duty(like the Andriod Rodger smith) to be the dominuce of Big O.This truth caused him the remember who's memories he had (a rodger smith dominuce).

Big O showed him that he was the dominuce of Big O when it reads the barcode it read his memory as an andriod dominuce of Big O.When the Megaduece chooses his its dominuce it reads the barcode and they start to remember the original's memories.

Alex was in the same boat as rodger smith.After Big Duo crashed into the superdome alex came to one truth.After he came to one truth the dominuce read the memory to Alex and accepted him. Alex then starts to remember who his original was (gordon when he was doing all the tyrant like stuff earlier in his life/a roger smith andriod)he even starts negotiating with Fau from time to time.

The first time Alex was right Big Fau's(like Big O) core memory was in Alex.Too bad that his memory told it to destroy paradigm City like 40 years ago(andriod rodger smith memory).

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Originally posted by Xylem quote: Originally posted by Document Oosha quote: Originally posted by Pygmalion According to the Big O art book, Alex is 43 (Roger is 25). This means he was born three years before "the events of 40 years ago," and so if he and Roger are both tomatoes, they aren't from the same crop. The only evidence of his age in the actual show comes in Act 20, where Angel says he "was born in this age of lost memories". A sign of a conflict between different writers' grand plans? Rodger learned the truth that he was being called to duty(like the Andriod Rodger smith) to be the dominuce of Big O.This truth caused him the remember who's memories he had (a rodger smith dominuce). Big O showed him that he was the dominuce of Big O when it reads the barcode it read his memory as an andriod dominuce of Big O.When the Megaduece chooses his its dominuce it reads the barcode and they start to remember the original's memories. Alex was in the same boat as rodger smith.After Big Duo crashed into the superdome alex came to one truth.After he came to one truth the dominuce read the memory to Alex and accepted him. Alex then starts to remember who his original was (gordon when he was doing all the tyrant like stuff earlier in his life/a roger smith andriod)he even starts negotiating with Fau from time to time. The first time Alex was right Big Fau's(like Big O) core memory was in Alex.Too bad that his memory told it to destroy paradigm City like 40 years ago(andriod rodger smith memory).

This is a very ingenious theory. However, there seems to be an important point people here seem to be forgetting...Alex embedded Dorothy's memories into Big Fau. If that's the case...then Big Fau couldn't be telling Alex Rosewater the truth...remember it's possible that Dorothy's core memories are REJECTING Alex Rosewater to be the true dominus of Big Fau. Recall that in the episode "The Third Big" Union Agent 12 Vera Ronstadt was seen screaming "That's impossible! It's not ready yet!" when Big Fau emerged from its dome. She was clearly referring to the fact that Big Fau hadn't been programmed yet to properly accept Alex Rosewater. This could only be the case IF Alex wasn't the true Dominus of Big Fau.

And remember, it's still not clear why it was necessary for Big Fau to be powered up using Dorothy's memory core if Alex was the true Dominus of Big Fau. He wouldn't have had to do this trickery with Dorothy's memory core if Alex Rosewater was the true Dominus. Therefore any speculation on Alex's memories could be fake...therefore his memories may not be geniune. Remember...Angel was revealed to be Angel ROSEWATER...so why doesn't Alex have memories of a sister?

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This is a very ingenious theory. However, there seems to be an important point people here seem to be forgetting...Alex embedded Dorothy's memories into Big Fau. If that's the case...then Big Fau couldn't be telling Alex Rosewater the truth...remember it's possible that Dorothy's core memories are REJECTING Alex Rosewater to be the true dominus of Big Fau. Recall that in the episode "The Third Big" Union Agent 12 Vera Ronstadt was seen screaming "That's impossible! It's not ready yet!" when Big Fau emerged from its dome. She was clearly referring to the fact that Big Fau hadn't been programmed yet to properly accept Alex Rosewater. This could only be the case IF Alex wasn't the true Dominus of Big Fau.

Um, that's interesting, DorothyFan1. If Alex Rosewater truly had the real memories of Paradigm City, then why couldn't he remember his own memories about having a sister (Angel)? That's a damn good point. We all know Roger didn't have to power up and control Big O with any foriegn power source and I guess the same can be said as Big Duo and Schwartzwold.

But still, if we go with the show, then Alex can't be more than 40 years old right? But Pygmalion made a point in the art book that Alex is 43 years old. Damn, I just know that Alex looks a lot older than both ages. Like a tired, got his a** kicked by father time old.
Peace.

This is very powerful evidence that since Alex doesn't remember Angel is his sister in the memories he's getting...that Big Fau is tricking him. Remember...Dorothy's memories are controlling Big Fau...so it stands to reason what if ANY reason would it be for the REAL true dominus of Big Fau tinkering with the Megadeus with Dorothy's memories for?

One last point...notice what Alex Rosewater says after emerging from the sea after throwing Big O into it in Act 26...

"So...you're trying to absorb me into your systems, Big Fau? I'm not like that cowardly reporter...or that sniveling cyborg...I am A true Dominus. The one and only." And right after he says this...we switch back to the sea...and hear Dorothy's voice calling out under the seas..."Roger, Roger" the implication is quite clear that the true Dominus here was Roger Smith.

Interesting wording, no? Alex Rosewater doesn't say "I am YOUR true Dominus." He simply said he was a true dominus...meaning Alex felt he was Dominus class...but apparently he's not the true pilot of Big Fau. I think this is yet further evidence that Big Fau's true pilot is still out there waiting to claim it. And I think the evidence is pointing to Dorothy.