Silent Hill general discussion

Sharpshooter005 01-02-2006 04:06 AM
I realize we've had a couple of threads on Silent Hill (the search reveals only some on either 4 or 2. And there are some mentions of the movie in a different subforum). But I've decided we need one on the entire quadrilogy. And even the movie if you want.

So yeah. Questions or comments about the storyline (yes, SH2 DOES contain some allusions to the "cult" storyline of the other 3). Theories about Silent Hill 5. Opinions or explanations about Silent Hill 4 since I haven't played it yet. Everything related to our favorite psychological survival horror series can go here.

I'll start off with something about the movie. It looks like they're closely integrating the first and second games. Pre-production shots as well as the flash teaser show shots of the hospital and alyssa. The plot seems to follow the first game. Yet in the teaser it clearly shows pyramid head, and what looks very much like a straightjacket/patient demon (which were exclusive to SH2, as they related to James's subconcious guilt.)

And...yeah. Continue if you want, since I assume this will be kosher.

edit: Wait heres another thing. Anyone ever play/read translations of the "play novel" for...I think the GBA? Apparently it somehow ties into the first game.
X Prime 01-02-2006 04:58 AM
There were a number of Japan-only sourcebooks (despite SH being more popular in the West...). They explain some things, like why you found a gun in a shopping cart. Here is the premiere site for their translation:

http://translatedmemories.com/index.html

The site's index is currently broken due to moving hosts, but the content lives:

http://translatedmemories.com/news.html

I heartily recommend the (incomplete) Book of Lost Memories.

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SH2's Rebirth ending was connected with the cult... The items that are retrieved is a pretty big hint, and, in fact, you summon forth one of the cult gods, namely Xuchilbara, with that ritual. Said god is briefly mentioned in a file in SH3.

If you have a question I'll try to answer it.
David Ryder 01-02-2006 07:31 AM
great thread sharp. As far as SH goes I like SH2 the best, I liked James story about facing his personal demons. While I like all of them, the 4th one was decent but the over use of elements from the Ring (no folks it's not Ringu, that's just engrish) was kinda weak i.e "OMG one of the victims has long black hair that cover's her face, scarey!" however the 11th victim AKA Walter Sullivan AKA the man in the green coat was pretty darn cool.

I hope the 5th one actually takes place in Silent Hill, and i'd also like to see the return of some actual scarey stuff, 3rd one had alot of those moments like that one room in the hospital O_O.
Patsai 01-02-2006 09:04 AM
I've played the 2nd and 3rd game, the 3rd game I enjoyed a lot more, particularly how scared I was in the "alternative" hospital.
Sharpshooter005 01-02-2006 11:21 PM
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SH2's Rebirth ending was connected with the cult


So is pyramid head. Apparently the robes he wears are the robes of...I think valitel..one of the various deities.

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I hope the 5th one actually takes place in Silent Hill, and i'd also like to see the return of some actual scarey stuff, 3rd one had alot of those moments like that one room in the hospital O_O.


Theres a number of rumors. One was it would be released on the ps2 (this was pretty much disproven). One of the speculated storylines is the main character will be in an institution, and the story will play out through flashbacks as to what put him there.

Whatever it is about, I'm pretty sure it'll take place in the town. Silent Hill 4 originally wasn't even going to be a game in the series, they were trying to design a new one but eventually decided to just merge in some story aspects of the other 3.

2 is my favorite, probably since...it's the only one I've finished. I stopped playing 1 after I got to the elementary school (and now can never find a copy to either rent or buy). And 3..I can't get past the final boss. Or not with the amount of ammo and health I had left, so I started over.
Travis Bickle 01-02-2006 11:32 PM
I played and beat all four (except the special edition one of SH2for the XBOX).

Supposedly, SH5 will be entirely in first person, according to an old interview I read in EGM when SH4 first came out. If that's so, then there's so much they could do with it, like, keep you from knowing who the main charachter is and make that a big detail later on in the plot.
Sharpshooter005 01-02-2006 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo
I played and beat all four (except the special edition one of SH2for the XBOX).

Supposedly, SH5 will be entirely in first person, according to an old interview I read in EGM when SH4 first came out. If that's so, then there's so much they could do with it, like, keep you from knowing who the main charachter is and make that a big detail later on in the plot.


I don't know how much I like that idea..then again I'm just so used to the way it's been in the past 3 games.

Supposedly they're even factoring in the stuff the isometric camera does into the movie, basing a few shots around how the camera behaved in the games (and theres a couple of camera positions in the game that would work really well if done properly)
Xel 01-05-2006 04:18 PM
I've got this really distant, halfhearted idea that SH5 might have something to do with Stanley Coleman... if SH4 and the movie are forming any pattern for placing greater importance in very minor characters.

Also WOO THREAD.
Travis Bickle 01-05-2006 07:30 PM
Um...who's Stanley Coleman again?
Xel 01-05-2006 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo
Um...who's Stanley Coleman again?


Stanley Coleman was Heather's creepyf*ck stalker-- er, "stalker" in Brookhaven. He died long before Heather ever got there, but he followed her around with dolls and diary pages and stuff. I hear you can hear him say her name in the morgue when you walk by his corpse, but I've never actually had that happen. Maybe if I had a decent sound system...
Sharpshooter005 01-05-2006 09:36 PM
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Stanley Coleman was Heather's creepyf*ck stalker-- er, "stalker" in Brookhaven. He died long before Heather ever got there, but he followed her around with dolls and diary pages and stuff. I hear you can hear him say her name in the morgue when you walk by his corpse, but I've never actually had that happen. Maybe if I had a decent sound system...


Is he the voice on the phone that tells you about the "birthday present"?
Raven 01-06-2006 03:13 AM
Hmm.. I just finished Silent Hill 3 actually. It reintroduced me to the series after a looooooong break. I haven't really played a game since I beat Silent Hill back when it first came out. I must say, Silent Hill wasn’t all that bad of a game. I thought the story and characters could use some work as compared to the first game though. (BTW, Vincent was a really awesome character.) Anyway, if I can ever find Silent Hill 2 around, I might try that out.

Oh and yes, Stanley Coleman creeped me out as well. I really wasn’t looking forward to meeting him. He was quite as frightening as that guy who calls you up and sings Happy Birthday though.
X Prime 01-06-2006 03:52 AM
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Originally posted by Sharpshooter005
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Stanley Coleman was Heather's creepyf*ck stalker-- er, "stalker" in Brookhaven. He died long before Heather ever got there, but he followed her around with dolls and diary pages and stuff. I hear you can hear him say her name in the morgue when you walk by his corpse, but I've never actually had that happen. Maybe if I had a decent sound system...


Is he the voice on the phone that tells you about the "birthday present"?


I believe so, but I'm not sure.
David Ryder 01-06-2006 10:22 AM
I believe the phone voice was stanley Coleman. I will give the 4th one one thing...Walter Sullivan was pretty cool. Not only that he was pretty creepy too. I hope the 5th one brings back the flashlight and oh I don't know some actually scarey stuff.
X Prime 01-06-2006 11:22 AM
Yeah, unfortunately 4 was weak in the fright department compared to, say, 1 or 2. The new battle system was the scariest part, there's a problem when a damn pipe does more damage than a damn gun. And the damn dogs, only because of HOW DAMN ANNOYING THEY ARE.
Sharpshooter005 01-06-2006 12:02 PM
I keep wanting to rent 4. But...isn't the last part of the game basically one giant escort mission? Because really that entire gameplay device just needs to unilaterally stop being used.
X Prime 01-06-2006 12:15 PM
Unfortunately, yes. It is.
David Ryder 01-06-2006 01:30 PM
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I keep wanting to rent 4. But...isn't the last part of the game basically one giant escort mission? Because really that entire gameplay device just needs to unilaterally stop being used.


Like X said, the last part of the game is just one huge escort mission. I forget her name but while she can't be killed, if she takes to much damage, you basically get the worst ending even if you had a perfect game going. And heath Items are almost nonexistent.

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there's a problem when a damn pipe does more damage than a damn gun.


Gotta agree there. that and ammo was also almost nonexistent. And the dog's....oi, it was worthless fighting them, then again Henry ran so slow it was tough getting away without taking damage.
Xel 01-06-2006 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Sharpshooter005
I keep wanting to rent 4. But...isn't the last part of the game basically one giant escort mission? Because really that entire gameplay device just needs to unilaterally stop being used.


Kind of, but depending on where you are, there are ways around it. Like for example, in the Forest World, you can just leave Eileen in the central safe area and go about your business. Sometimes leaving her is the best idea. Just don't do it in dangerous places...

I for one loved SH4, and did find it scary, albeit in a different way. I think they did quite a good job during the second half of the game slowly stripping you of anywhere that you would feel safe. Actually, it got to the point where I feared going back to my room more than I feared running around in the various worlds. And I think that's a really interesting thing that it does to you.

I thought the soundtrack was one of the best of the games as well, when you factor in all the extra tracks that Yamaoka made for it. I think SH2 still wins, but only by a hair. SH4 still has my favorite cast of characters, though (seconded by SH the first).
Travis Bickle 01-25-2006 04:36 PM
So yeah, I beat 1-4 again. Is it me, or is grown up, blue coated gun (and sometimes chainsaw) toting Walter Sullivan the most f***ing badass video game charachter ever? Or at least one of them...