"..Its the day gods son was born"

Happy Heavens day everybody


May all you megadei be white

Now was he talking about his own birthday? or jesus.... or both.

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Originally posted by Zopwx2 Now was he talking about his own birthday? or jesus.... or both.

I remember the episode correctly, which I kind of don't, Alex said to the officer that Heaven's Day is the day the son of God was born. Since Gordon is known as the 'man who built the stage' and known as God is some degree or another, I would think that Alex is the son.

So, to answer your question, I think he was talking about his own birthday.
Peace.

Hmm... thats fishy if ya think about it...

Unless Alex was born on December the 25th, which WOULD kinda conflict Christmas joy with Birthday joy.

Trust me, I know. My birthday is the 21st, 4 days before.

4 days before eh?
Try the day before. v_v

On topic: I'm pretty sure he ment Jesus, but he was terse, kind of as if he was annoyed that there was someone more powerful/important than him.

personaly i think it provides a great deal of forshadowing for the "This world has a new order now ,it has a new god." line and since he was an "edipus"(one who intends too replace ones father by klling him) he was refering too himself .

I've always figured it's both, which only fuels his god complex even more.

he thinks he's his dad.

Alex is a clone of gordon.He thinks he is what his dad was.

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Originally posted by Xylem he thinks he's his dad. Alex is a clone of gordon.He thinks he is what his dad was.

Um, that's true. Since Alex is Gordon's clone and his most beloved tomato, Heaven's Day could be both of their birthdays?...

Hell, I just know it's Dorothy's birthday on that day and Roger got her a nice, cute dress.
Peace.

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Originally posted by Nine XXVI quote: Originally posted by Xylem he thinks he's his dad. Alex is a clone of gordon.He thinks he is what his dad was. Um, that's true. Since Alex is Gordon's clone and his most beloved tomato, Heaven's Day could be both of their birthdays?... Hell, I just know it's Dorothy's birthday on that day and Roger got her a nice, cute dress.

No, it isn't Dorothy's birthday. Norman lied to Roger (gasp!) so he would buy her a present despite his anti-Heaven's Day stance. Norman, of course, knew that Dorothy had already bought Roger a new tie.

Pygmalion

GO NORMAN!!!

The soldier-ninja-pirate

The way I understood it, there is no set religious ideals in Paradigm, but people probably have memories of christianity, and of there being a son of G-d who was a reason behind Heaven's Day.

So right there, Alex is making a religious reference.

I think that it's also his bday.

So not only is he making a religious reference, but he's calling himself the son of G-d (referenced to Gordon, the Creator of paradigm). i don't 100% understand christianity.. but would that not say he believes everyone is supposed to consider him their saviour?

And then, in The Third Big, he tries to but fails to live up to that idea..

I always figuered that Alex was a bit full of him self and when he said It was the day god's son wasborn he was bascially calling himself the son of god. At least thats my opnion I always think of Alex being really full of himself. ^_^"

-Beth

Nah, it's a reference to Christmas, and Alex is the only one who'd know. He cites the book of Revelation at some point in that episode too, so it's pretty clear that he isn't talking about himself. I think the whole idea of Heaven's Day was constructed to cover up Christmas, in case anyone had any loose memories about some type of celebration on that day, kinda like the old men who sang at the church, but couldn't explain why. It's Alex's way of keeping religion out of the hands of the common people.

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Originally posted by Xero-Hour personaly i think it provides a great deal of forshadowing for the "This world has a new order now ,it has a new god." line and since he was an "edipus"(one who intends too replace ones father by klling him) he was refering too himself .

Alex cannot have an Oedipus complex . . . since he doesn't have a mom.

You can't just pick and choose aspects of Freudian psychology.

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Originally posted by aeternus_flammus quote: Originally posted by Xero-Hour personaly i think it provides a great deal of forshadowing for the "This world has a new order now ,it has a new god." line and since he was an "edipus"(one who intends too replace ones father by klling him) he was refering too himself . Alex cannot have an Oedipus complex . . . since he doesn't have a mom. You can't just pick and choose aspects of Freudian psychology.

Let's don't confuse psychology with mythology. Vera called Alex an Oedipus, but is he?

King Laius of Thebes was told by an oracle that his son would grow up to kill him. To prevent this, the child was given to a servant to be left outside to die. The servant disobeyed, and Oedipus was raised by childless King Polybus as his son.

Accused of not being Polybus's son, he visited an oracle to learn his parentage. The oracle told him that he would kill his father and marry his mother; to prevent that, he went in the opposite direction from Corinth and inadvertantly met up with Laius. A quarrel over right-of-way lead to fighting, and Laius and his attendant were killed.

Oedipus went on to Thebes, solving the riddle of the Sphinx that had lain siege to the city. In gratitude, the regent Creon made him king of Thebes and gave him Jocasta's hand in marriage. Now the prophecy was complete.

They had several children, but when a plague befell the city (despite the self-sacrifice of Jocasta's father), yet another oracle decreed that the man who was a native of Thebes, who had killed his father and fathered children on his mother, was the source of the troubles. Oedipus vowed to kill the fellow himself.

Surprise! Turns out he was it.

His abdication, self-blinding, and exile wasn't enough, though. Thebes was shaken by civil war between Oedipus's sons, and eventually attacked by the Seven Against Thebes (one of the seven was the exiled son). Ten years later, the Epigoni conquered Thebes and the whole sordid mess was over.

So -- does Alex Rosewater fit this story? Not particularly well. Oedipus was clever, brave (even foolhardy), and obviously a man of great loyalty to those he considered his parents. I don't think the same can be said of Alex Rosewater. If he is modelled on any character in Greek mythology, I'd say it was Phaeton, whose hubris and inability to control the chariot of the sun nearly destroyed the earth.

Pygmalion

I assume you've read Sophocles, but I should add that Oedipus is more than just clever. He is a man of devout reason and genius. He wouldn't stop til he found the truth, even when those around him tried to stop him.

Aristotle believed that Sophocles' Oedipus Tyrannus was the greatest play ever written because the realization and downfall happen exactly at the same time.