Serenity and Firefly

Mugiwara Luffy 10-01-2005 09:37 PM
I'm really surprised there's no thread about Serenity, or its grassroots TV series, Firefly. For those who do not know, Firefly was a quirky, yet excellent, little sci-fi/western TV show on FOX. However, like all excellent TV shows on FOX, it was cancelled. Due to a loyal fanbase (much like Big O's fanbase), the series was brought back to life, only in movie form. Thus, Serenity.

The movie itself was AWESOME. I recommend everyone go see it now, fan or not of the show. I plan on seeing it several more times. All the characters from the show are brought back, plus a few new ones. The action, comedy, romantic tension, and wild west gunfightin' makes a delightful debut on the big screen. The movie was simply amazing, and I can't really say more than that.

Talk about Serenity or Firefly here, I guess.
Mike 10-01-2005 09:42 PM
I never saw Firefly, but I always wanted to. It looked really good. Space: Above and Beyond was another kick-ass show that got canned.

Anyway, Serenity looks really cool. I want to see it. Strangely enough, my school newspaper gave it a really good review, and 2 stars. Must have been a typo.
David Ryder 10-01-2005 09:42 PM
aye. I remeber Firefly, it was a really cool show. although it was billed as an Outlaw Star rip off by many rabid anime fanboys. I always got this vibe everything they would say that. "OMG!?!11111 America is teh sux, how dare they do this?!!!111111" sorry my l33t isn't very good. ><
Sharpshooter005 10-01-2005 09:47 PM
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Space: Above and Beyond was another kick-ass show that got canned.


Pretty much anything Morgan and Wong had a hand in that wasn't the x-files or Millennium died shortly after getting off the ground.

If it ever got that far. Wonder Cabinet is still a pilot maybe ten people have seen.

edit: One thing I did like from the one episode I saw...there was some political backdrop that didn't involve a benevolent space U.N. without any form of internal dissent.

That plot device gets so old, so fast. Thats another reason I liked babylon 5. Everyone didn't just put their WILDLY glaring differences aside and hug.

Also the vorlons, I don't care if praising a canned show makes me the lowest rung on the ladder. I'll go down there long enough to say the vorlons were just awesome.
Big Money 10-01-2005 09:51 PM
The show pwned, and the movie pwned, especially Shepherd "Special Hell" Book... Just... Awesome. The whole old-west-in-space thing was executed really well. The fact that most episodes had a bar fight and a gun fight was awesome, and the whole "alliance is always meddlin' in my business" sentiment reminded me of "Union is always meddlin' in my business" or "war of northern agression!" kind of stuff. Fantastic.

And the movie... the movie was awesome, especially the Operative guy... who was very scary and 1337 as hell...
Mugiwara Luffy 10-01-2005 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by Big Money
especially Shepherd "Special Hell" Book


Hell yeah!

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And the movie... the movie was awesome, especially the Operative guy... who was very scary and 1337 as hell...


Hell yeah again!

River kicked ass in the movie. And Zoe. And Jayne. Hell, everyone kicked ass. But...
spoiler (highlight to read):
why oh why did Wash have to die?!?!


If Serenity does well in theaters, we may be looking forward to some sequels. And it definitely needs sequels. The show and the movie just aren't enough. I crave more!!
Dork 10-01-2005 10:36 PM
Aw, Babylon 5 didn't get canned. No, wait, it did once, then it came back. Then they did a spin-off which got canned. But to be fair that was all a 'change of management' problem over at TNN. Anybody remember just how smutty 'Crusade' was? The new execs thought that was mild. Nobody wants to see a Pak'Ma'Ra in a porno I don't care how seedy your underbelly.

Oh! And they were working on a B5 movie earlier this year. . . that got canned. Oh, well in any case Babylon 5 is a kick ass classic. Don't feel bad for priasing it. Though you may continue to feel mild shame at praising Star Trek. ::coughcough::

I borrowed a Firefly DVD from the library a few months ago, it was all right. If I can't get around to seeing Serenity in theatres (as I so desperately wish to do) I'll rent or buy it depending on how much money I want to burn.


muchlove
-Dork
Sharpshooter005 10-01-2005 10:38 PM
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Aw, Babylon 5 didn't get canned. No, wait, it did once, then it came back.


Well it was designed to run 5 years from the getgo...wait it was canned? I can't remember now.

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Though you may continue to feel mild shame at praising Star Trek. ::coughcough::


It's less shame and more...I enjoy mainly the original series, but it does give me some degree of joy to just point out flaws in it.

Then again I do that alot, with nearly everything.
Dork 10-01-2005 11:23 PM
This post contains Absolutely nothing about Firefly or Serenity. Nope, it's just one big B5 TV history lesson. . . and a little Trek bashing near the end.

Come for the history, stay for the cheap laughs!

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Originally posted by Sharpshooter005
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Aw, Babylon 5 didn't get canned. No, wait, it did once, then it came back.


Well it was designed to run 5 years from the getgo...wait it was canned? I can't remember now.


You ever noticed how fast season four seems to go? and how season five feels like it's dragging? The show was always in danger of cancellation from season one but at the beginning of season four JMS was told that season four was going to be, for absolute sure, the last season of the show. So JMS went about compacting the rest of the story so that he could finish it up in a season. Some story lines were shortened some were dropped entirely.
spoiler (highlight to read):
The fourth season was originally suppose to end with Sheridan being betrayed by Garibaldi and captured by Clark-run Earthforce.


While JMS and company were finishing up filming on the series finale 'Sleeping in Light' one of the producers, John Copeland called up TNN, who were in the process of purchasing rerun rights for the series, and said 'You're already buying the first four seasons why not have the whole show?' And astonishingly enough TNN agreed to fund and air the fifth season of Babylon 5. For about two/two and a half years TNN was very good to Babylon 5. The show had a 9-month hiatus between seasons four and five long enough for TNN to fund two Babylon 5 TV movies -'In the Beginning' and 'Thirdspace' and for Mira Furlan (Delenn) to have and her husband to have their first child.

Since JMS had already covered the most essential stuff he had intended for season five in the condensed season four the show's last year was a markedly light one. The season five we know filled it's time with a lot of character work with very little plot in between. Lots of John/Delenn newlywed pillow talk, friendly G'Kar/Londo banter, and many unfortunate Captian Lockley/Garibaldi clashes. There was also that miserable rouge telepath arch. But there was some good stuff in season five; although Lennier was only in 9 episodes he had a wonderful storyarch and mini-career in the Anla'shok and G'Kar and Londo's relationship came full circle and a beautiful friendship almost developed between the two. The best part of the season by far was the conclusion of Londo's character arch. And finally at the end of the season the pilot they had filmed a year and a half earlier aired.

After that TNN funded three more TV movies -'River of Souls', and the 'Crusade' pilot 'A Call to Arms'. Unfortunately just before 'Crusade' aired the powers of be changed hands and the new management was none-too happy about supporting a series whose creator refussed to turn it into a sex farce. The 13-episode 'Crusade' was cancelled before it aired and that's that.

Loving the original Star Trek and the next gen is pretty much okay, those shows predated Star Trek's getting all like that old man down the street with the cool car that he hides under a grey plastic mesh and refushes to drive. Deep Space 9 was a ripoff of B5 and Voyager refused to try anything for fear of failure and ended up comfortable and dull while Enterprise took a full three years to get the hang of this 'story arch' thing. Which ironically Babylon 5 proved could not only work but thrive on television. Ha! Serves them right for plagerizing.


muchlove
-Dork
Mugiwara Luffy 10-02-2005 12:13 AM
Hey you guys, make your own thread. Tongue

Favorite characters in Firefly?

Mine's Wash.

"We shall rule over this land and we shall call it....This Land!"
*Roar!*
"Curse your sudden yet inevitable betrayal!"

"I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I fly."

Big Grin
Travis Bickle 12-25-2005 10:11 AM
Dumb question, since I'm convinced Serenity is one of the best Sci Fi movies to come out in a long time.

Does it tie in with Firefly, or is it like a retelling of the tv series?
Mike 12-25-2005 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo
Dumb question, since I'm convinced Serenity is one of the best Sci Fi movies to come out in a long time.

Does it tie in with Firefly, or is it like a retelling of the tv series?


I think it was one of those "what the director WANTED to do with the show but Fox wouldn't let him" deals.
Jim Starluck 12-25-2005 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by Mike
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Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo
Dumb question, since I'm convinced Serenity is one of the best Sci Fi movies to come out in a long time.

Does it tie in with Firefly, or is it like a retelling of the tv series?


I think it was one of those "what the director WANTED to do with the show but Fox wouldn't let him" deals.


It uses the same characters (mostly, a few new ones), is set in the same continuity. Takes place sometime after the end of the series (I've yet to see all of Firefly, though I just got the boxed set for Christmas so I'll be fixing that right quick. Big Grin ).