The Red Assassin

Somehow I managed to stumble upon this site almost two years after the last new episode of Big O aired. Now I feel like a total idiot, but I guess better late than never.Anyway, I'm glad to be a member of these awesome forums and I thought I'd kick off my first thread w/ a question.

In the episode R.D. the list of children who had memories implanted in them included R.D.. Was this an abbreviation of R. Dorothy when she was a human and received these memories, or is it a different android just modeled after her?

Just to let ya know I haven't seen the complete second season, so the whole plot is still unclear to me.

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Originally posted by Twisted Memoir Somehow I managed to stumble upon this site almost two years after the last new episode of Big O aired. Now I feel like a total idiot, but I guess better late than never.Anyway, I'm glad to be a member of these awesome forums and I thought I'd kick off my first thread w/ a question. In the episode R.D. the list of children who had memories implanted in them included R.D.. Was this an abbreviation of R. Dorothy when she was a human and received these memories, or is it a different android just modeled after her? Just to let ya know I haven't seen the complete second season, so the whole plot is still unclear to me.

She was an android. Pay close attention to when Big O crushes her into the roof of the tunnel, a moment later we see her broken head-tray surrounded by rubble.

Not much of Red Destiny is known for sure. She was likely a spare R. Dorothy built by Wayneright and Soldano, should the first (our Dorothy) have been damaged beyond repair. She was likely hidden away, either at Waynerights' house (seen in Act 15 as having been scoured over by Paradigm) or perhaps in the subway she was activated in. Either way, she was discovered and reprogrammed as an assassin by someone (presumably Paradigm, possibly outsiders working for Paradigm) and used to hunt down the memory children (affectionatly known as Tomatoes). What little we know of this nefarious plot comes from Act 13 itself and Act 15, Negotiations with the Dead.

Also, don't worry about not knowing the whole plot of Big O. None of us do either. No one except maybe the creators know (and even that's iffy) the whole plot.

even if you had seen the all the episodes it isnt that clear.

I'm not exactly sure what the R D on the list represented.

I'm still not exactly sure why roger though it was the abbreviation of the assasins name..... why would she be on her own list?

Technically we'll never know who it stood for, becuase she was destroyed by roger.

The reason it might not have been roger is she didn't kill him immediatly, she kind of interrogated him and decided wether or not she needed to kill him.

My (totally off the wall) theory about the R-D episode:

The people on the list were in their mid-20's and too young to have Memories of 40 years in the past.

Roger is in his mid-20's and supposedly too young to have memories of the past.

Each person had a barcode number listed by their name.

The barcode listed by R. D. is the same one Roger always flashes back to when he remembers being a 'tomato'.

The R-D android kills the list members after they let others know they've regained Memories.

R-D tried to kill Roger after he began regaining Memories and others started to notice how strange he was acting because of them.

R. D. = Roger D_______? Smith is a pretty generic last name. Maybe it's not his real family one? Maybe it's (gasp) Dastun! Hear me out...The Big O has a lot of Lupin III references. Inspector Zenigata turns out to be Lupin's dad. Major Dastun's the right age and coloring plus he treats Roger like an annoying but beloved son. He went out of his way to protect Roger and Big O from Big Fau, even throwing his badge at the police commissioner in defiance and telling Alex to stuff it. Maybe because he has buried Memories of Roger as his son?

I'm fairly certain act 25 reveals that Alex was behind the R-D murders.

He was attempting to eliminate all potential domini.

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The people on the list were in their mid-20's and too young to have Memories of 40 years in the past.

Disagree...if you recall, the people who were being killed were in their mid 20s, and they were killed because they were discovering memories of 40 years ago. Thats why R-D was killing them. The wrong people were unearthing memories and they werent supposed to be made public.

Remember also, that the "tomato experiment" was using children. These tomato children were implanted with memories from 40 years ago...so in essence, there could be people in their 20s with memories from 40 years ago. It happened, Gordon Rosewater explained it during Roger's trips to Ailesberry Farm. Also, it was explained when Dastun was briefing Roger on the R-D case in the episode...

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Originally posted by StevieV019 quote: The people on the list were in their mid-20's and too young to have Memories of 40 years in the past. Disagree...if you recall, the people who were being killed were in their mid 20s, and they were killed because they were discovering memories of 40 years ago. Thats why R-D was killing them. The wrong people were unearthing memories and they werent supposed to be made public. Remember also, that the "tomato experiment" was using children. These tomato children were implanted with memories from 40 years ago...so in essence, there could be people in their 20s with memories from 40 years ago. It happened, Gordon Rosewater explained it during Roger's trips to Ailesberry Farm. Also, it was explained when Dastun was briefing Roger on the R-D case in the episode...

And exactly how is this different than what I said?

(thinks) I don't know, I guess.
Anyway, I have one question of which I have scoured the entirety of the show to understand, and have hit brick walls.
WHY does RD write "Cast in the Name of God, Yet Not Guilty" around all her victims? How does she know about that phrase in Big O (and basically the other two Bigs in the series)?

I mean, I'm sorta stumped...

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Originally posted by Mattartist (thinks) I don't know, I guess. Anyway, I have one question of which I have scoured the entirety of the show to understand, and have hit brick walls. WHY does RD write "Cast in the Name of God, Yet Not Guilty" around all her victims? How does she know about that phrase in Big O (and basically the other two Bigs in the series)? I mean, I'm sorta stumped...

Very alert for noting that interesting point. Indeed, HOW did R.D. KNOW that phrase? If as the other posters suggested...Alex Rosewater reprogrammed R.D. to kill all the potential Dominii that lay in his path it does bring into question whether Alex Rosewater really WAS a Dominus. I'm guessing the answer was no. And R.D. WAS going to kill Roger Smith precisely because he WAS a Dominus.

But this brings up a fascinating clue about R.Dorothy...the good one. Why wasn't she killed? Because she was NEEDED by Alex Rosewater. This means that R.Dorothy was Dominus class as well since Alan Gabriel tried to kill her too. And since Alex Rosewater ultimately "stole" R.Dorothy's memory core to power up Big Fau...this is yet further evidence that Dorothy was the true Dominus for Big Fau.

Soooo, does that mean that Alex inserted the phrase into her memory? If so, did that mean that Alex wanted to FRAME Roger Smith for the killings of the tomato children?

O_o I think I got it!

Although I may just have delusions of grandeur... (thinks)

Adult Swim are decent and caring towards their Big O viewers!
WHAT AM I SAYING?!?

Whatever.

First off Happy Labor Day! Herm, ok. You guys really have made things clearer for me, and I think I understand the whole R.D. thing.

--She was another android Dorothy created in case, as someone said above, the Dorothy we know and love was destroyed.

--Someone eeeeeeeeeeeevil got a hold of her and somehow reprogrammed her to kill those with implanted memories.

Also, when she writes the whole 'Cast In the Name of God' thing I think that's also what all robots and androids do when they are programmed to destroy or kill. Since they're just 'Following orders' they are 'not guilty'.

But her name on the list still puzzles me. Is there any other human character with those initials?? Ah, so many questions!
Thanks again for the help.

Slightly off-topic here.

In the Japansese audio, and subtitles, Roger isn't sure who is talking to him when he has that "flashback/memory/hullicination" in the Library, he mentions Schwarzwald's name.




In the english audio, he just asks "Who are you? Answer me!".


Just something random (or maybe not so random) that I noticed out of chance.


Then again, it could be he's connecting the two because Schwarzwald had gone underground, and he found R.D in the subway.

Also, while it might be completely undrelated, in both Act 4, and 13, there is a scene with a puddle, and a drop of water falling into it.

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Originally posted by Twisted Memoir Somehow I managed to stumble upon this site almost two years after the last new episode of Big O aired. Now I feel like a total idiot, but I guess better late than never.Anyway, I'm glad to be a member of these awesome forums and I thought I'd kick off my first thread w/ a question. In the episode R.D. the list of children who had memories implanted in them included R.D.. Was this an abbreviation of R. Dorothy when she was a human and received these memories, or is it a different android just modeled after her? Just to let ya know I haven't seen the complete second season, so the whole plot is still unclear to me.

The list was inside the copy of METROPOLIS, right? And Gordon Rosewater had the book planted so Roger would find it and come to see him -- and said that the book was nothing but lies.

The list was planted, too, and it's just as suspect as the book.

The list consisted of the names of the tomatoes who were already dead, plus "R.D." It didn't list any tomatoes who were still alive.

It seems to me that the list was just a way to drag Roger to R.D.'s hiding place (there was apparently an address on the other side -- Roger mentions it in the scene where he enters the underground.)

And thus I walk into this thread totally late to reply...

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Originally posted by MultiMedea R. D. = Roger D_______? Smith is a pretty generic last name. Maybe it's not his real family one? Maybe it's (gasp) Dastun! Hear me out...The Big O has a lot of Lupin III references. Inspector Zenigata turns out to be Lupin's dad. Major Dastun's the right age and coloring plus he treats Roger like an annoying but beloved son. He went out of his way to protect Roger and Big O from Big Fau, even throwing his badge at the police commissioner in defiance and telling Alex to stuff it. Maybe because he has buried Memories of Roger as his son?

ZENIGATA IS NOT LUPIN'S DADDY O_o LupinIII's dad is LupinII o_O;;; Besides Zenigata is the decendant of Heiji Zenigata (Zenigata Heiji...whatever) who was also a crook-nabber. (Heiji Zenigata threw coins to knock out the crooks...kinda like how Inspector Zenigata throws his handcuffs)

The loyalty Dastun shows Roger is from his experience working with him as a Military Police officer and as a Negotiator. Dastun knows he can trust Roger and that Roger isn't up to miscreant (sp?) deeds...so when Bonaparte (and later, Big Fau) attacks the black megadeus (which Dastun somehow knows Roger is inside of) he orders the other Military Police units to give support fire.

And just to point out...if there is a possible father/son connection in the series (between two different characters..not counting the Rosewaters) it might possibly be between that officer killed in Act10 and the Beck. To me it looks like the officer's kid looks like a young Beck. *shrugs* but that's just my opinion

[quote]Originally posted by R.Smith
Slightly off-topic here.

In the Japansese audio, and subtitles, Roger isn't sure who is talking to him when he has that "flashback/memory/hullicination" in the Library, he mentions Schwarzwald's name.

In the english audio, he just asks "Who are you? Answer me!".

Just something random (or maybe not so random) that I noticed out of chance.

Then again, it could be he's connecting the two because Schwarzwald had gone underground, and he found R.D in the subway.

Also, while it might be completely undrelated, in both Act 4, and 13, there is a scene with a puddle, and a drop of water falling into it.

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You know, I was just about to say that...
But I didn't know it was in the Japanese subtitles! Jeez, Roger the PI..
(Private Investigator) Anyway, the "RD" voice as heard in the tunnels in Roger's dreams, its SCHWARTZWALD's voice! Sure, its tweeked a bit to make it sound more like a machine, but I swear that was Schwartzwald! I wonder... Maybe RD was luring Roger into her trap by using Schwartzwald's voice? I mean, she's an android, she can manipulate sound waves and create a identical representation of the voice itself, like a parrot.
CRAWCK! Okay, I'm done ranting...