New Extra Info on the Behemoth

I discovered this the other day, it may not be a direct connection to Big O but it's good background, and could possibly be a help in the future, should a Season 3 be made, and concern this...

One of my new internet hobbies is surfing random things on Wikipedia. I was looking through The Big O page, and decided to click on the religious references it had there concerning Behemoth and Leviathan, so I could read up on their background.

Under Behemoth, it had said that there were connections to stories and such told in the Torah. I'm no expert on my religion, but I do seem to have alot of general knowledge on Judaism, and this surprised me, so I read up on it as well.

Apparantly, according to bibilcal scriptures stemming from both Judaism and Christianity, G-d created the Behemoth (the largest and most powerful land animal), the Leviathan (same for the sea), and maybe this bird thing, which would be served together as a meal at the end of the world.

Behemoth was translated from Hebrew as a plural of 'animal.' Curious, I went to my parents, who lived half their lives in Israel, and are fluent (while I know like..nothing... how did I not pick up on more than 20 words?)

I put an Israeli accent on it and asked what behemoth meant..my mom turned to be and asked 'beheMUH?'

apparantly, in hebrew, this does translate to animal, but in a sort of insulting way. a vulgar person, maybe someone who eats alot..basically some idiot we'd call a 'pig' or worse here, in Israel, would be called the hebrew word for 'pig,' or 'behemuh', with the stress on the last sylibal (sp?)

Possible connections, then: Behemoth is supposedly the largest and most powerful thing there is, and it's destruction signifies the ending of the world. While Big O easily lifted it and it just disappeared (crushed, fell, vanished?), it was insanely huge. At the same time, the following episode appeared to be the end of Paradigm, and one thing I just thought of now, is that we hear Vera calling the large machine the Behemoth.. was Vera herself not an evil, vulgar, and just messed up human being?

So, those are the small connections I have made. Their relevance is up to you to decide, but I believe that it could be of some use to us.

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Originally posted by NVWC2006 Apparantly, according to bibilcal scriptures stemming from both Judaism and Christianity, G-d created the Behemoth (the largest and most powerful land animal), the Leviathan (same for the sea), and maybe this bird thing, which would be served together as a meal at the end of the world.

The bird, Ziz(or the Roc, whatever... It was mentioned in the Arabian Nights I think).


Wow...talk about a subtle cue on the shows creators... probably the most immense megadeus is nothing more than a beerbottle for Big Fau to shoot as the signal for the end of Paradigm.

Nice.

I always thought the lizard and giant beast archetypes were just there to throw us off.

The bigs were the real beasts.

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Edited O: Land Duo: Air Fau: Water O: Behemoth (Land best) Duo: Ziz (air beast) Fau: Leviathan (water beast) quote: There is another religious hymn recited on the festival of Shavuot (celebrating the giving of the Torah), known as Akdamut, wherein it says: "...The sport with the Leviathan and the ox [Behemoth]...When they will interlock with one another and engage in combat, with his horns the Behemoth will gore with strength, the fish [Leviathan] will leap to meet him with his fins, with power. Their Creator will approach them with his mighty sword [and slay them both]." In the end times the Behemoth of the land and Leviathan of the sea will battle and both be destroyed by the creator. O v. Fau -> owned by Venus. quote: According to midrash recording traditions, it is impossible for anyone to kill a behemoth except for the person who created it, in this case YHWH. [God] Venus again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behemoth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan

Don't forget that Vera calls roger the behemoth before she blows herself up. I also believe fau was refered to as the leviathan at one point.

Interesting speculations, everyone. But I doubt you can read too much into the symbolism since most Japanese are a Buddist/Shinto mix and a more vague Christianity is a runner-up religion. It's kinda like saying Disney's Aladdin is about devout Islam. They borrowed a few mythical archetypes to tell a more interesting story. Remember, the Big O creators started off everything with a mecha toy line. Then they came up with a story to fit it almost on the fly.

Interesting thoughts, everyone. I'm beginning to suspect Big Fau wasn't just the "third big", but perhaps the real deal. That's why the last episode was titled "The Show Must Go On". It was the climatic confrontation between the two bigs who could legitimately be called the "true God" of Paradigm City.

And it's interesting to note nobody has made the connection that Big Fau's controller...Alex Rosewater is Angel's brother. Now, if we believe Big Fau's true Dominus is NOT Alex Rosewater...then it leaves Angel and Dorothy. We desperately need a Season 3 to learn who is Big Fau's true Dominus. This more than anything else is what's causing the confusion and debates.

If we assume Big Venus is Angel's Big...then this leaves Dorothy to be Big Fau's Dominus. Her memories powered up Big Fau...and considering Dorothy's importance to the series...it's abundantly clear she's Dominus class material. The ultimate question we may never have answered is whether they'll ever give us a Season 3.

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Originally posted by MultiMedea Interesting speculations, everyone. But I doubt you can read too much into the symbolism since most Japanese are a Buddist/Shinto mix and a more vague Christianity is a runner-up religion. It's kinda like saying Disney's Aladdin is about devout Islam. They borrowed a few mythical archetypes to tell a more interesting story. Remember, the Big O creators started off everything with a mecha toy line. Then they came up with a story to fit it almost on the fly.

In Japan, Christian religion/mythology is a cultural fad, much like Buddhism etc. is here in the states. (At least according to what I've heard). The story works on basic archetypes, and uses Christian motifs to give it an exotic flavor, in my opinion.

That's fascinating! Do you know someone in Japan that described their view of Christianity to you? How funny is that though? People from the west are intrigued by eastern thought, while people from the east are intrigued by western thought.

I was just thinking about this the other day;

We all know that the Big O creators and writers like to drive us insane with all the religious themes, and that in Jewish tradition, Behemoth was the strongest beast the land that fights with Leviathan at the end of the world.

But, and this is a big but, what about Christian tradition? What if Behemoth was to be the Beast that raises during the Apocalypse with the seven crowns on its ten heads with the mark '666' being its sign?

In the Book of Revelations, the beast emerges from the bottomless pit fromt the earth and starts to rally people to believe and worship the false prophet, Satan's son I believe.

In Episode 25, Behemoth emerges from the underground and from what we see in this episode and Episode 26, it seems pretty damn deep, near bottomless to me, stretching as far down to B666. And Gordon Rosewater said that its a monster that craves for memories. Memories, in Paradigm City, are valuable and people go to great lengths to try and obtain them to gain not only information and knowledge of what happened in the past, but for power has well.

I can't say what Behemoth would have done if it had acquired the neccassary amount of memories needed because it only lasted for arounf 30 seconds (tops), but I just wanted to get this out there and probably hear your reactions to it.

Peace.

Since no one's talking on this piece, I'll say another thing about the Behemoth.

I watching "The War On Paradigm City" yet again (this has become one of my favorite episodes. Take that, The Show Must Go On!) and I paused it and noticed something... Behemoth is huge. I mean, crazy, macked out huge. It's bigger than all the buildings and is just gigantic. I and you guys out there have already noticed this but another thing that puzzles me is that Big O was able to lift this monster and it seemed, without any trouble at all.

But the thing that gets me is that when the ?ghost of Vera? says that the city is cursed and she'll place a curse on Roger Smith, parts of the Superdome fall apart, crashing on the city and a huge smoke screen appears and... Behemoth disappears. Now I know that Big O is pretty damn strong but do you think he could have destroyed such a huge megaduse like that in that short amount of time. Also, as Big O has its arms raised up still, in its hands it looks like it has pieces of the Superdome and not that of Behemoth. So, in a way it seems like it just vanished. I'm kind of just talking here but I just wanted to get this out and see what you guys thought of it.

Also, when Alex Rosewater sees Roger and the Behemoth emerge from the underground and says he doesn't believe that Roger is the only dominuse, I jumped up and said; dude that's all you can really say?! What about that giant, yellow thing Big O has? What the f**^! is that!!
Peace.

Man oh man, a vanishing megadeus! You never see debree of that dude either! Dude, that is righteous, you've got a keen eye, Mr. Paradigm City Hustla!

Also, theres no need for cursing in amongst jolly folk like we!

Some random guy: Yay varily!

Erm, what? Nevermind. Also, to explain why Big O could easily lift that giant megadeus, its simple: the Behemoth is hollow. Thats how Big O could pump iron using Behemoth as its bar bell. HEY-YA!

To add on your vanishing idea, that is yet ANOTHER reason as to why we DARM IT NEED A SEASON THREE! Okay, feeoww... Just wanted to -- get that -- out -- yeah...

Finally, yeah. Alex is one darn screwed up tomato. Blech, wouldn't want him on my salad...

Damn, Mattartist. That's good...
A hollow megaduse. Why didn't I see that?