Big Fau's color scheme...a clue?!

Hi everyone. It's been a while since I last posted. But what the heck...there really isn't THAT much to talk about anymore. But...

I was looking at Act 26 "The Show Must Go On", yet again last night and I was struck by the color scheme of Big Fau for the first time. Look at it if you have the DVD. Look carefully and you'll be surprised at what you see.

The color of Big Fau is mostly white. But it's the color PINK that had my sitting up straight when I looked more carefully. Notice the lining of Big Fau's face, body armor and legs are pink. Now why the heck is Big Fau's complimentary color pink? Clearly, if you want to build a Big that inspires fear...you'd choose colors more likely than not to inspire dread than curiosity. And it was curiosity that gets me about Big Fau's color scheme. It's feminine!

And I thought of something. Notice that Big Fau's eye color is green. This may be yet another clue as to who really is the Dominus of Big Fau. Dorothy. Why? Remember, Dorothy is a redhead. Now most red heads have green eye color. We usually don't see Dorothy's eye color clearly...but we've assumed them to be black. But when you think about it...it makes more sense that she have green eyes. Now add to the effect of Big Fau having pink and green as its color scheme. With the creamy white as the dominant color...I think we have a winner here...the Dominus of Big Fau is Dorothy.

Anyway...cheers. Any news about a Big O season 3 yet. Take care everybody.

i remember people saying before that dorothy's eye color is green

but maybe the pink is supposed to be red?
agh
i'm horrible with colors

Hm, I was always under the assumption that it was a very light red, not pink.


Besides colors, what are you basing your claim on, that Dorothy is the true Dominus of Fau?


In the manga (which is diffrent from the anime),

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Angel

is the Dominus of Fau, but from the cover it has the same color scheme.


Plus, as we saw from the glimpse of Fau's head in Act 14, Alex had made a few "cosmetic" modifications to Fau.

Look carefully at my signature. You can see what I'm referring to about Big Fau's complimentary color scheme. The image of Big Fau clearly shows signs of pink on the face and shoulder pads, etc.

Nice call about "faded red". However, keep in mind that pink IS faded red. Pink is a subset of the color red. There was really no need to show Big Fau with "faded red" if you want to call it that. The producers and color artists could have flat out chosen red as the complimentary color for Big Fau. But they chose pink instead. You could argue its "coral"...but c'mon, it's pink no matter how you qualify the description.

As to how I've come to the conclusion that Dorothy is Big Fau's Dominus...I'm too tired to search for my previous posts on this matter. But I've argued in past posts that Big Fau is Dorothy's Big. Nice call about reminding posters here that Dorothy DOES have green eyes. I wish the writers and artists had made this clearer during the Big O two season run. This point makes the revelation about Big Fau having "green" eyes all the more relevant to my argument about Dorothy being Big Fau's Dominus.

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Originally posted by R.Smith Hm, I was always under the assumption that it was a very light red, not pink. Besides colors, what are you basing your claim on, that Dorothy is the true Dominus of Fau? In the manga (which is diffrent from the anime), spoiler (highlight to read): Angel is the Dominus of Fau, but from the cover it has the same color scheme. Plus, as we saw from the glimpse of Fau's head in Act 14, Alex had made a few "cosmetic" modifications to Fau.

I too was going to say

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Angel

. I'm not convinced on the whole Dorthy is a Dominus thing.

Also remember that it was Dorothy's MEMORIES that finally made Big Fau operational! And Alex says he's the only dominus of megadeus. Peeshaw.

Dorothy, the human Dorothy anyway, had violet eyes. You can see that in Act 14, but since the whole of Act 14 is a head trip you can make of it what you will.

Personally, I think Dorothy's memories would have completed any megadeus. That's why the Archetype and the Leviathan were after her. Even Big Duo seemed to reach out to her after Big O ripped him a new one.

I don't know about Dorothy as a Dominus, but then, I wasn't ready for Angel as a Dominus either. *shrugs*

You see? This is one of the most fascinating questions that has been left open ended since Season 2. The "is Dorothy a Dominus" question is left hanging in the air. From the hints and clues strewn throughout the series as it currently stands...the answer appears to be a qualified "yes".

Qualified because it's NOT definitively answered to our satisfaction. However, there is another problem I've thought about regarding Dorothy...and that's Norman's response to Beck saying Memories are things found within humans in Act 26. I sat up and paid attention to this comment last night...after finally letting Norman's remark really REALLY sink in.

It means that Dorothy IS human. Now...I'm not sure if it's been answered definitively that the Bigs HAVE to have "human" pilots for it to be taken for granted that they have "legit" Dominuses. This is yet another reason why I think a Season 3 is definitely in order. To say the least...Schwartzwald's existence and comments in "Enemy is Another Big" from Season 1 raises the fascinating possiblity that the Dominuses are chosen prior by the "Director" who controls Paradigm City.

This raises the knotty issue of Angel and her complicity in the whole Paradigm City scheme. If we accept that Angel is the "Director" of Paradigm City...she bears a direct responsibility for all that occurred in that "illusion"...including all the horrible carnage and destruction that happened in the "Event" that occured 40 "years ago".

Big Fau's true Dominus is a really fascinating question left hanging. Because if we surmise that Alex WASN'T the true Dominus of Big Fau...then who was? It's not Angel because she powers Big Venus. That rules out one person. Clearly...based on my new speculation on Big Fau's color scheme and references to Dorothy seems to make clear that the implication of Dorothy being the Dominus of Big Fau has to be taken more seriously at this point.

An intriuging idea I've just thought of raises this possibility...that Angel programmed Dorothy Waynewright to be the Dominus of Big Fau...forcing Roger Smith to decide whther or not he can love someone who is the controller of the rival Big.

Alex Rosewater uses the same color combination as Big Fau:



Alex used this color scheme long before he acquired Big Fau, and Big Fau was delivered with this color scheme already in place -- from which I'm guessing that this was Big Fau's original color.

I figure that Alex really was Big Fau's true Dominus, just as Angel really is Big Venus' Dominus (Big Venus is pink and black when not being shown in negative, and Angel's colors are pink and black.)

Mind you we really don't know 100% that Angel piloted or controlled Big Venus. I don't even think she knew about it personally...I just think Roger assumed it was Angel. But that's an entirely different topic.

Big Fau has always been white, black, and red...I think the same is true in the manga

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even though Angel pilots it as "Big Four"

. I put it up to nothing more than coincidence that Big Fau is white and red...

Human Dorothy's shown to have violet eyes in the anime, so I don't know where the green part comes in. You gotta remember in Japan the manga can bear only the most passing resemblance to the anime and no one thinks a thing about it. It's almost expected. Android Dorothy's eyes are matte black except when someone zaps her or tries to control her.

All the Megadeuses' color schemes are a black/white/red combo with some accessories painted differently. Its more the 'Power Rangers-mecha syndrome' typical of most anine. A way for the animators (and audience) to easily tell one mecha from the other. If the Megadeuses choose their Dominus by color scheme, how do you explain Schwartzwald? If its by eye color, why are Roger's eyes black (along with 98% of the rest of the cast) while Big O's are red?

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Originally posted by MultiMedea If the Megadeuses choose their Dominus by color scheme, how do you explain Schwartzwald?

Ah, Schwarzwald. In THE UNDERGROUND TERROR, he manages to become just as much of a physical wreck as the Archetype. In ENEMY IS ANOTHER BIG, he dresses up Big Duo in bandages just like his.

Also, in the two-episode sequence of R.D./ROGER THE WANDERER, Roger loses the use of an arm when R.D. shoots him, and, later on, Big O also loses an arm.

I get the feeling that the Dominus and Megadeus are avatars of each other, and each tends to bear the stigmata of the other's wounds.

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Originally posted by A Clockwork Tomato quote: Originally posted by MultiMedea If the Megadeuses choose their Dominus by color scheme, how do you explain Schwartzwald? Ah, Schwarzwald. In THE UNDERGROUND TERROR, he manages to become just as much of a physical wreck as the Archetype. In ENEMY IS ANOTHER BIG, he dresses up Big Duo in bandages just like his. Also, in the two-episode sequence of R.D./ROGER THE WANDERER, Roger loses the use of an arm when R.D. shoots him, and, later on, Big O also loses an arm. I get the feeling that the Dominus and Megadeus are avatars of each other, and each tends to bear the stigmata of the other's wounds.

But Archetype rejected Schwartzy; that's why he's scarred. Duo completely absorbed him and left his body in the desert. And the color schemes still didn't match for either. He might have tried to impose his look on Duo but there's nothing that shows Duo overly identified with him.

That the Megadeuses choose human avatars the same way we might choose robot ones in a video game is a valid premise. One that I've been working on for a fic. Venus has an Angel avatar, O a Roger one, Fau an Alex one, and Duo a Michael one. But the avatars no longer have a physical existence. They are only Memories now. The sound stage/virtual reality of Paradigm is the place where the Bigs play reality games to keep the semblance of humanity alive. Perhaps to asuage the guilt for causing its destruction? For a Memory to become self-aware enough to realize it's only a Memory must be very traumatic. Its a truth that Angel runs from, that drives Michael nuts, that Alex completely tries to ignore. Only Roger was capable (after much soul-searching) of saying life is life. Being is being no matter what shape it takes. He's also the only one to choose being an independant fragment of Big O instead of letting it completely incorporate to save him the shock of drowning to death.

*QUOTE*That the Megadeuses choose human avatars the same way we might choose robot ones in a video game is a valid premise. One that I've been working on for a fic. Venus has an Angel avatar, O a Roger one, Fau an Alex one, and Duo a Michael one. But the avatars no longer have a physical existence. They are only Memories now. The sound stage/virtual reality of Paradigm is the place where the Bigs play reality games to keep the semblance of humanity alive. Perhaps to asuage the guilt for causing its destruction? For a Memory to become self-aware enough to realize it's only a Memory must be very traumatic. Its a truth that Angel runs from, that drives Michael nuts, that Alex completely tries to ignore. Only Roger was capable (after much soul-searching) of saying life is life.*QUOTE*

That's an excellent point. And quite possibly the best explanation of what Paradigm City is all about. However, it's NOT clear whether the pilots of the Bigs HAVE to be human. Dorothy is not human...UNLESS we're going to argue the point suggested by Norman in Act 26 that memories are things found in human form. Which implies very strongly that Dorothy is human. If that's the case, then we have to revisit the theory of who is the true Dominus of Big Fau once again.

Now, let's keep in mind that curious scene in Act 25 "The War for Paradigm City" where Alex Rosewater sees the barcodes appear on his viewscreen. This is the first indication that Alex Rosewater isn't the true Dominus of Big Fau...because he's a "defective tomato". Notice that in Act 26...Big Fau doesn't even ask for Gordon's permission and went right ahead and plugged itself into Alex. I doubt a true Dominus would have gotten that reception if a true pilot was in Big Fau. So this makes me very interested in knowing what Gordon Rosewater would have said about Dorothy had she been underground along with Angel, Vera and Roger in that fascinating confrontation in Act 25. Sorry, but Dorothy STILL isn't out of the running for being the true Dominus of Big Fau.

Let's face it. We're going to need a Season 3, if ever, to solve this and other lingering questions to our satisfaction to let us bring Paradigm City and Big O to a worthy end.

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Originally posted by MultiMedea quote: Originally posted by A Clockwork Tomato I get the feeling that the Dominus and Megadeus are avatars of each other, and each tends to bear the stigmata of the other's wounds. But Archetype rejected Schwartzy; that's why he's scarred. Duo completely absorbed him and left his body in the desert. And the color schemes still didn't match for either. He might have tried to impose his look on Duo but there's nothing that shows Duo overly identified with him.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt he aquire the burns BEFORE he reached the Archetype? And that thing was clearly incomplete and/or psychotic.

Duo was his Big. The facial duality: The dark maniac/black and the left eye of truth(glassed one)/light. For colorschemes...really try looking at his clothes under the coat. That fits the bill. True Dominuses[sic] are not rejected. And I doubt Schwarz would have had the same level of control had he not been a true one.

We sure do spend a lot of time arguing over this Dominus thing.

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Correct me if I'm wrong,...

OK.

I can't tell you what the English dub version of Underground Terror says since I only listen to the Japanese version. But this is the subtitle quote of the Archetype scene:

Schwartzwald: These Megadeuses were nothing special, Negotiator. If I could regain those Memories, even I could possess such power!

Roger: Is it still operational?

S: It was buried here! I released the lock. And for my trouble, I became as you see me now. (holds up his bandaged hand) It's too bad you didn't end up the same way.

So, clearly Schwartzy was damaged after he tried to operate Archetype and was rejected. We know he was rejected because Archetype doesn't become operational again until it interfaces with Dorothy. And Schwartzwald has yet to discover Big Duo. Also, he wears brown, tan, and black under his overcoat; which still isn't a match for Duo.

By-the-by, the [sic] designation is used to point out misspellings in quoted material. If you misspell something yourself, you just misspelled it. If one is unsure of a spelling the common usage is (sp?).

Hi everyone. Before I get on with this post...I wanted to wish everyone a safe and happy Labor Day weekend.

Now, back to the regularly scheduled programming. I was thinking over the posts so far in this thread and thought of something. And this may be crucial.

What if Alex Rosewater didn't know who was Big Fau's true Dominus prior to having the Megadeus rebuilt? As far as I can tell...Alex glosses over this important fact and simply declares himself ONLY because he's the SON of Gordon Rosewater, the "director" until Angel is revealed to be the true one. Now, if Alex knew the truth about Angel...he would have done in his power to ELIMINATE her to prevent any rivals from arriving onto the scene.

The pink scheme on Big Fau cannot be dismissed as simply either faulty coloring by the artists or even "faded red". It's pink and it's highly doubtful Alex Rosewater thought to himself "Hmmm...yes, I'll take white and pink as the colors for my Big." If as this thread seems to imply...then colors don't have a meaninglessness to them. There's a reason for the colors being utilized in the first place.

I was struck by the similarity of Angel's injuries that "lighted up" while Alex Rosewater was physically attacked by Big Fau's neural net plugins into his back. In fact they're IDENTICAL. The location are exactly the same...but why? Notice that Angel's injuries light up in PINK. And I was struck by this thought: WHAT IF DOROTHY WAS THE TRUE DOMINUS OF BIG FAU before the "Event" and the actions of the current cycle were simply redoing the same fight over WITH DIFFERENT ACTORS. This jibes into what Gordon Rosewater says to Roger Smith "I wonder why people couldn't CHANGE their actions." in Act 25.

The events of Paradigm City happen over and over again...but with DIFFERENT actors and results. The color pink is a female motiff...and Big Fau was using the memories of DOROTHY...to fight. This means that the real Dorothy Waynewright was a Dominus class pilot and she was killed in the "Event" and her consciousness was transferred over to an android body...this fits with Norman's comment about memories being in human form.