Why so much Roger <3 Dorothy?

Roger loves Dorothy, Dorothy Loves Roger?

I have always wondered why everyone supports this so much, there is hardly anything to indicate this minus a bit of mind control, a joke, and a parting "gift" I dont see it.

and I 'm not doing this to troll, I really want to know.

In one of the episodes Roger said "Dorothy, you asked me if things were different would we fall in love." He then goes on to say that he thinks that it could be possible.

Thats what I ment by a parting "gift",

and he was answering a question which applied to if they had lost their memories. Thats why I dont see it as "proof"

also there was far more pointing with angel, so I dont get why everyone endorses dorothy.

To me that clearly shows that he had feelings for her.

Also, Dorothy's jealousy towards Angel is a big sign.

ANother thing is that Roger held back on the kiss with Angel. Why would he do that?

I can't say for sure whether or not they were in love. But it's clear to me that Roger cared for Dorothy more than any other character in the show.

- He flips out and gets really protective whenever she is in trouble
- He picks her up and holds her after she is hurt despite the fact that she weighs a ton
- He gets her flowers
- He holds back because of Dorothy when a beautiful woman wants to kiss him

I'm sure there is a lot more...

Love for another person can come in many forms. In Roger's case with Dorothy, it is a hidden or special kind of love. Also let me ask you this, when was the last time you went up to someone you really cared about not including your family members and said plain and loud, "I love you!" It just doesn't happen that way. Another thing to remember is that love is defined as caring for another person almost to the point of giving up your life for their well-being. Now you mentioned hard "proof". Well my friend, it ain't gonna be announced if that is what you mean. It is quite clear to alot of people that Roger loves Dorothy and Dorothy loves Roger, but like I said, its a different and rather special kind of love.

To further that, you can't really say that there is one specific clue as to their feelings for each other because there isn't. It is suppose to be one of those loves that the writers write about to keep you going. I want to say forbidden love but that doesn't quite fit. It just can never happen...

Sorry if this is a tad confusing.

Actually, it is a good way to put it, Collateral. It's a type of forbidden love. Also one other thing I wanted to add was that Big O is alot different than most typical anime. Alot of anime has sex in it. As a matter of fact, there is a small amount of anime just dedicated to women getting raped by demons, or men, or what not else. Big O is a much better quality show. In fact, it represents what writers should be doing in these kind of cartoons. Taking the time to write a decent story with decent characters which interact with each other in the right way. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of good anime out there. I'm just saying that Big O has far surpassed most anime I've seen in terms of good story, good characters, and even moral values.

I hate this idea people have that a male main character and a female one always have to be in love. I mean, they can love each other without really being "In love," right? Dorothy is a robot too. If you just built her a body that looked like C3PO would everyone still support this so heavily? A man in love with C3PO probably wouldn't appeal to people as much as a man and a pretty girl robot (Although it would be more entertaining). Anyway, I don't like to think of it as anything more than the kind of relationship Roger has with Norman (Although the writers obviously want it to be more... I just like to pretend)

That's one of the only things that bugs me about Big O. That there MUST be this implied relationship. I don't like Batman having a romantic relationship with Catwoman either. Just because she's a female doesn't mean they have to have romance. I understand that some people find it interesting, but I'm really more into big robots and mysteries.

I don't wanna sound rude to you buddy, but that's always been the case in almost every story that is written. It makes the story line interesting and fun too. If you don't care for that kind of stuff, I suggest you find something else to suit your taste. I will shut up now before I say too much.

Hey If I was Roger I sure as heck I know I'd be in love with Dorothy. but I'm one of the many supporter's of Roger + Dorothy so I'm a little biased *^^*

It's true, it's not quite canon... yet. But it's suggested enough to tantalize the viewer, anyhow. This opens all sorts of doors for fanfics and art and doujinshi and stuff, and I think in the end that's the idea. That's the best case scenario in my view, anyway. Frankly, I'm glad they're not QUITE there. Getting rid of the tension would probably damage a lot of its appeal.

I really do like Wazpy's comment, though. Though there is some romantic tension between the two, that doesn't necessarily mean something needs to come of it. If there were a season three, I would expect Roger to have to do a looooot more thinking to make pursuing a relationship with an android okay in his mind. I do not believe for a second that he's completely over that. But even then? It's not the end of the world if they don't get together. I'd even prefer it, in some ways. Because, like he says? They can love one another without crossing the line of being in love. It is possible, believe it or not. And it might actually be really refreshing.

Plus, the romantic tension adds an interesting element for a certain few people---the romantics! Take it from a romantic. Once this love story started I think that is when I really got interested. That happens with a lot of shows I watch. Once you bring in romance and the possibilty of love I am instantly hooked. Love triangles aren't too bad either.

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Originally posted by Wazpy I hate this idea people have that a male main character and a female one always have to be in love. I mean, they can love each other without really being "In love," right? Dorothy is a robot too. If you just built her a body that looked like C3PO would everyone still support this so heavily? A man in love with C3PO probably wouldn't appeal to people as much as a man and a pretty girl robot (Although it would be more entertaining). Anyway, I don't like to think of it as anything more than the kind of relationship Roger has with Norman (Although the writers obviously want it to be more... I just like to pretend) That's one of the only things that bugs me about Big O. That there MUST be this implied relationship. I don't like Batman having a romantic relationship with Catwoman either. Just because she's a female doesn't mean they have to have romance. I understand that some people find it interesting, but I'm really more into big robots and mysteries.

I agree with most of what Wazpy said even though he put it in such a blunt way. Romance between a male protagonist and a female character is such a Hollywood chiche, especially at a time when so many people are fighting for gay right, but that's another issue. Even if we would like to stick to our overprotected heterosexual "dome," we would ask ourselves from time to time if there is no other relationship we can make an effort to depict in literature, films or TV shows than the conventional relationship between men and women. On the one hand I agree with the other fellow audience that romantic love constitutes a point of attraction in the show of The Big O, on the other hand I also see the legitimation in an oppositional voice like Wazpy's. Creators of a show should be more creative than just following a Hollywood cliche. That's a legitimate demand from the audience.

But let us do more justice to the show we are talking about here. I think what makes the romance of The Big O much more interesting than others is precisely the unconventional way the creators present it. Of course it doesn't go as far as Wazpy suggests to have Roger fall for a C3PO, but can't we see something similar already happen in the image of Dorothy? Dorothy's apathetic expression and awkward gestures was a great shock to anime fans when the show just came out, because she looks at the same time human and nonhuman. If you are familiar with Japanese anime, you will find yourself overwhelmed by hundreds of shows featuring sexy, fully humanized and femininzed androids who fall in love with (or sometimes even do explicit sexual service for) their male human masters. Male audience seem to always fantasize a beautiful and sexy girl who is at the same time as docile and obedient as a servant, a slave or still better, a machine. These rotten male-centered animes have unfortunately dominated the landscape of Japanese anime production. Their male fantasies always disguise themselves as normal "romance," but once you realize its vicious connotation about male desire, you will feel sick of it.

The Big O obviously works within this tradition but subverses it by introducing a much less humanized and femininized Dorothy who is anything but a docile female. It's not the ordinary romance between man and woman that generates the attraction of the show, but the odd intimacy and ticklish distance between a man and a not too human adroid with "her" irreduciable WEIGHT cautiously balanced throughout The Big O that makes the show stick out from others.

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Originally posted by Collateral Plus, the romantic tension adds an interesting element for a certain few people---the romantics! Take it from a romantic. Once this love story started I think that is when I really got interested. That happens with a lot of shows I watch. Once you bring in romance and the possibilty of love I am instantly hooked. Love triangles aren't too bad either.

That point is the one I always applied to Roger and Angel.

Because you want to seem them get together, because you know they never will.

I'll agree. As a writer myself, it always sort of bothers me when a perfect little fairy-tale type romantic setting comes to pass. Life isn't like that, though. Strife and suffering is much more common than perfect love, which is why people find romances so compelling, I guess. It's because they're really so rare.

Personally, I love the fact that Roger and Dorothy are hanging on the edge, and I hope they never quite get there, even if there is a season three. As many people have already said, the tension between the two of thewm, the impossibility of that relationship really working out, is what drives a very large part of the character interaction. Without it, I think the story would really suffer.

I believe the message is largely non-verbal. But that doesn't mean that there isn't proof. The proof is just subjective. Scenes like when Roger decided to leave Dorothy with her core memory in the Beck Comes Back episode is a good example.

thanks to all, this helps me see it. I still like the idea of Angel better but now I understand why everyones behind Dorothy

Thanks

I hope I'm not too late to get in on this discussion 'cause it's very interesting. Yes, there are definite clues for a Roger/Dorothy romance seeded throughout the entire series. It's not just wishful thinking on the fans' part. Anyone's who's seen a goodly amount of anime can pick up on it right away. A few examples:

*the whole 'protector/damsel-in-distress' dynamic -- yeah, it's a stereotype, but if it works it works. But anyone in less need of protection than R. Dorothy I don't know...

*Roger and Dorothy's ability to 'humanize' the other -- they each bring qualities to the relationship that the other lacks, making them a very effective team. Roger is emotionally distant by choice, and Dorothy by design. They're both the opposite and a reflection of each other. Duality (yin/yang) is a big subtheme in nearly all Japanese art. Roger and Angel are too often at cross-purposes to really reflect that philosophy.

*the constant bickering between the two -- now, this is something the Japanese creators might have picked up from their American counterparts, but the show was designed to appeal to Western audiences. Roger and Dorothy rarely relate on the physical, so their verbal sparring says a lot about the state of their feelings.

*enemies and rivals taunt them about it -- c'mon, even clueless Beck had a clue. And Alan Gabriel knew for a fact how much it would wound Roger to see Dorothy destroyed.

*all the little characterizing flourishes -- the flowers/the music/the O. Henry-like Heaven's Day gift exchange/the rare but meaningful touches/how pleased Roger was when Dorothy brought him a spare tie and watch after his kidnapping. That sort of thing.

No it's not some mad, passionate Romeo & Juliet thing. It's far more subtle, which I think is a good thing. Roger might not get the hormonal kick from her that he obviously does from Angel the femme fatale, but I 've always seen that as the more stereotypical reaction. Roger and Dorothy seem to subliminally know the other provides what they lack. That each fills the empty spaces in the other. Which makes for a far more intriguing relationship.