Stunning clues from the Gordon Rosewater photograph

I've come across some stunning new clues after watching Act 26 a few more times and it's something that's been hiding in plain sight. I'm surprised nobody on this forum has mentioned this. But I think it's only fair we get the chance to debate the merits of it and see what it really means. So let's get to it.

Let's start with the photograph of Roger Smith shaking hands with Gordon Rosewater. Until a few days ago…I thought the photograph was just a throwaway plotline to help Roger Smith find the man who was in the picture. But it turns out to be so much more…especially if you pay close attention to the details. I'm grateful for the arrival of DVD so one can review things over and over until you nail down theories or find new ones.

In this case, I may have uncovered some really huge ones. Let's start with images of Gordon Rosewater and Roger Smith. Notice that the photo shows Gordon Rosewater in the bloom of health and he's in his prime, young and having a commanding presence. Now think back to the images of Gordon Rosewater throughout Season 2 and up and including Act 26…he looks old, frail and losing his memory. Okay that seems pretty obvious, right? But the devil is in the details, people. Look at Roger Smith. He, too, looks young, handsome and has a commanding presence as well. Now look at the photograph showing them together. You can see point blank that the Roger Smith in the photograph is as young as the Roger Smith we see throughout the entire series…up until Act 26.

Unless one chooses to be blind to the obvious…it's clear that Roger Smith is not an ordinary human to say the least. He doesn't age. Now the simplest answer to this discrepancy is to realize it's becoming very clear at this point that Roger Smith is definitely an android. Think back to Gordon Rosewater's comment about Roger when they first meet in the series…Gordon says of Roger Smith "You're not one of my precious tomatoes". We can only assume this to mean that Roger Smith may be a more advanced strain of androids who merit the title of Dominus. If that's the case, because I can't see evidence to the contrary…then it hints at the possibility that Dorothy comes from that same strain that Roger does which also puts Dorothy in the same class of Dominus. I say this because we never see Gordon Rosewater meet Dorothy. It would have been very interesting to hear his comment about her.

Now getting back to the photograph. There are even more clues to the photograph's meaning when we consider the scene when Roger Smith was drowning after Big Fau threw him into the sea. Now here's where I uncovered even more startling clues. If you have the episode on DVD…I suggest you watch through this carefully to see what I'm getting at…but even if you don't have the DVD set but know what happens…you should be able to "see" what it all means. While Roger Smith was drowning…the Memory came alive and flashed images through Roger Smith's mind. Now this is where I had to use the DVD player extensively…I watched this montage of images very carefully to see why the images played out the way they did.

In the montage of images…you see the photograph of Roger Smith and Gordon Rosewater being shown TWICE. I was puzzled as to why it was necessary to show the image of the photograph twice for…because in terms of storytelling…it wouldn't have been necessary to do this, since in this case we already know about the photograph. But then I decided to look at it from a different angle…and I was stunned to realize what it meant to show the picture twice. The first time we see the photograph…it's followed immediately with images of raw and violent destruction via the Megadeus of Big O, Big Duo and possibly Fau and Venus. It ended by showing the image of a Roger Smith dead in his cockpit of a Big O. Roger Smith voices out the word "No". Okay, so far so good. But then we see the same photograph of Roger Smith and Gordon Rosewater. But why the second time? In this image…we are followed immediately to visages of people milling around the streets of Paradigm City…or should I say they start to "magically" appear on the streets of Paradigm City. The significance of this will be apparent in a moment. This version of images of Roger Smith with Gordon Rosewater ends with the image of Roger the "Wanderer" that we see from the first episode of Season 2. Roger Smith says "No" again.

So what's the significance of the photo being shown twice? Well, since we know Paradigm City had a "reset" 40 years ago…who's to say how many "forty years ago" were there between resets? When I thought of this possibility…then the necessity of showing the Gordon Rosewater image with Roger Smith TWICE suddenly made sense. It meant there was a RESET prior to the beginning of Season 2. Since we know Season 1 implies there was a reset to Paradigm City "forty years ago", there's nothing to disprove the possibility there had been another reset after Season 1 ended. In fact, the images of Roger "wandering" around dazed proves it very strongly that a reset actually happened. But even more significant…it means that 40 years have passed between resets. Think of the photograph. If we assume each reset of Paradigm City is a little different from the last time…then certain events happen over again until the "desired" results occur. In this case, the showing of the photograph TWICE…strongly suggests the meeting that Roger Smith has with Gordon Rosewater happened twice in two prior resets of Paradigm City each with a different result. The first reset was a disaster…ending with total destruction of Paradigm City with that huge war with the Megadei. But the second reset things start to look even better…Paradigm City has found a form of peace and equilibrium with the Megadeus that has lasted since. That's why we don't see the photograph of Gordon Rosewater and Roger Smith three times. We're in the second cycle of that reset that happened after Season 1..if this theory stands up.

But there's one more revelation about the photograph. In the montage of Paradigm City…look at the skies. There are REAL clouds hanging in the sky in that image of Paradigm City. There was NO DOME. Paradigm City really existed that way…long ago. And if you factor in the sunken images of parts of Paradigm City that we see in Act 26…then the Paradigm City that we're seeing now is a remnant of that vibrant city that existed for generations before the Reset happened.

Ive been reading your posts and it seems yours make the most sense of anyones.. Although I registed just to post this one thing.

In another topic, Act 26: Big O vs Big Fau.. This guy had something to say..

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Originally posted by Zopwx2 DEUS EX MACHINA: An unexpected, artificial, or improbable character, device, or event introduced suddenly in a work of fiction or drama to resolve a situation or untangle a plot. Roger was going to lose, everything was screwed up, and pop out of nowhere comes big venus to clean everything up.

Obviously thats Latin and I had this book on Latin phrases I checked out not even days before that. Literally translated it means "a god out of a machine" and obtained its origin out of ancient greek theater. When things of the plot seemed impossible for resolution, or something tragic were to befall, a "god" would be lowered from a crane to set everything right, via making the events up to that point not have happened or otherwise. And in ancient Greece, Gods could do anything.

What does everyone ramble about the Megadei being? The weapons of God. How does Big Venus look and appear? Godly. Makes quite perfect sense. Whenever a big issue would occour with evil bots and megadei, Big O would come crashing to save the day out of an unexplainable way. True, the subways were used.. But what about the times it just appeared without the subway use? When it saved Roger and Dorothy as well? This rather supports the whole "Angel is the writer" theory.

Anyway.. About that picture. I never thought about that. I thought the other man was Alex since he looks to be that age, but the background always struck me as odd because of the sky, but also the domes looked as if they were in the process of being built at the time of the picture being taken. This further supports your theory as well.

Damned good work. You and the one who proposed the Angel theory have made my nights less sleepless. I love this show and im glad that theres something that makes sense to this story. It just takes alot of thinking to bring it out.

I still want the backstory though on the renegade and how the megadei were mass produced.. That would be rather neat.

No, I don't think so. The photograph shows the domes being constructed in the background and Gordon much younger.

The domes are new (post-Event), and Gordon was in charge when they were being built. So a picture with a younger Gordon in the foreground and domes under construction in the background is not surprising. The only surprise is the presence of Roger Smith, who presumably hadn't been born yet.

Now, in R-D, Gordon told Roger that he had hired "a Roger Smith" and asked if Roger had forgotten this. So even before the pieces of the photo are fitted together, we have a hint that Roger has lived more than one life.

This is also implied in "Roger the Wanderer" and in the flashback in "Hydra."

We have seen this multiple-lives thing before. We saw it with Dan Dastun and Sybil Rowan in "Winter Night Phantom" and in Season 2, when Dan discovered little Dan and little Sybil in the theatre.

I don't think there was an Event between the one 40 years ago and the one in Act 26. There certainly wasn't one between Season 1 and Season 2, since there is no gap in time between the two seasons. Act 13 and Act 14 overlap in time.

Besides, we've seen the mechanism of the Events in action; it involves Big Venus starting the world up again, with Angel at the controls. Angel wasn't at the controls in Acts 13/14; she was watching the Megadeus battle.

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[i]I don't think there was an Event between the one 40 years ago and the one in Act 26. There certainly wasn't one between Season 1 and Season 2, since there is no gap in time between the two seasons. Act 13 and Act 14 overlap in time.

That was my biggest problem with the theory. The events in Act 14 depict the end of the battle of the megadei.

It's an interesting idea. I suppose if you wanna play around with the idea of history repeating itself almost exactly, then the part about an event taking place between episodes 13 and 14 could possibly work.

The trouble with that theory is that if the stage just keeps resetting itself exactly, why is it different at the end of the series? If you're going to claim that Angel is the driving force behind everything in paradigm, and she probably is, then at some point after episode 14, she had to become conscious of everything that was going on and make an controlled effort to change it.

Fair enough. That pretty much happened in episode 26, when she entered basement 666 with Gordon Rosewater and got her wings back. The second problem is, if Gordon was the one who led her there, how did HE get out of the causality loop? The world would have had to repeat itself almost exactly, for this theory to fit. Otherwise, why would Roger be fighting the same megadei in episode 14 as in episode 13, if 40 years had passed between the two moments? Why, then, would Gordon suddenly be able to break the loop, if no one (not even Angel, who is the author of the whole thing) could before then?

This all leads to my theory of Paradigm being a huge program.

Whoever created it must have some form of entertainment in mind, so this world that everyone is in is nothing more than a simulation with bugs. Whenever a failure goes out of control a Dominus must show up and correct the error. Sort of how a server admin checks over the server he watches and ensures it's proper functioning. Angel is probably the head admin, so she has the priveledges of advanced server commands to reset the entire simulation if she so desires.

If you look past the symbolism, which does well hide the true nature of things, you realize that all of this is a more advanced version of Hackers vs Sysops. Complete with calling Admins "Gods" and programs "Devils".

Why you think Big Venus (Lucifer) is stored in level 666? Because Venus is her "Demon" program. A suite of commands and small programs used for one true purpose, to regulate the server and wipe out if necessary any viral code or malfunctioning software.

The Union is a prime example of a hacker invasion.

The references to Megadei as gods is similar to the god complex early Sysops had.

This whole world and story... it's about a simulated reality. I think the scenes from "Roger the Wanderer" was actually Roger in the real, after he had lost against the 3 union megadei at the end of season one. He got logged out, and he had what could be called in a cyberpunk world: Dumpshock. He still thought he was supposed to be in that universe and had no memories of who he truely was. Only untill Angel had found him, masquerading as a military official, that he remembered who he truely was.

As for the end... That'd take too much time to post. All I have to say, is wow.

Wow thats a amazing find! And I do agree that photograph does have a lot of evidence behind it and its so cool that you pointed it out too! ^_^" Thanks a bunch and keep up with your amazing thoeires!

-Beth

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Originally posted by Ensign Minneapolis This all leads to my theory of Paradigm being a huge program. Whoever created it must have some form of entertainment in mind, so this world that everyone is in is nothing more than a simulation with bugs. Whenever a failure goes out of control a Dominus must show up and correct the error. Sort of how a server admin checks over the server he watches and ensures it's proper functioning. Angel is probably the head admin, so she has the priveledges of advanced server commands to reset the entire simulation if she so desires. If you look past the symbolism, which does well hide the true nature of things, you realize that all of this is a more advanced version of Hackers vs Sysops. Complete with calling Admins "Gods" and programs "Devils". Why you think Big Venus (Lucifer) is stored in level 666? Because Venus is her "Demon" program. A suite of commands and small programs used for one true purpose, to regulate the server and wipe out if necessary any viral code or malfunctioning software. The Union is a prime example of a hacker invasion. The references to Megadei as gods is similar to the god complex early Sysops had. This whole world and story... it's about a simulated reality. I think the scenes from "Roger the Wanderer" was actually Roger in the real, after he had lost against the 3 union megadei at the end of season one. He got logged out, and he had what could be called in a cyberpunk world: Dumpshock. He still thought he was supposed to be in that universe and had no memories of who he truely was. Only untill Angel had found him, masquerading as a military official, that he remembered who he truely was. As for the end... That'd take too much time to post. All I have to say, is wow.

Ensign Minneapolis...this was brilliant! Wonderful analysis of the entire scenario. But there is one thing your analysis seems to point up to...that Angel was NOT the one controlling events in the Paradigm City scenario. Gordon Rosewater brings her into the basement of Room B666...heh...I wonder if people understand why THAT number was used. It's a Satanic number.

Getting back to your analysis. Since Gordon Rosewater announces that Angel is nothing more than a Memory...then she CAN'T be the System Administrator. Gordon has to bring her down to the Control Room for her to "regain her wings" so to speak. But Angel doesn't do this herself. And it's Gordon who urgers her to "care" about the past otherwise there wouldn't be one. Once again..I'm reminded of Big Ear's revelation..."this world was built to be a stage with no memories prior to 40 years ago.". If this is true...than Angel is not the one calling the shots. She simply can't be, She herself is a byproduct of the very simulation we're seeing played over and over again.

To answer some of the others who posited the counter theory that if each Reset happens over and over again...how can it be that characters can break out of the loop such as Gordon Rosewater telling Angel these things, etc? Well, here's my answer...there's no way for us to KNOW one way or another that what Gordon does in Act 26 is "original" enough to count as being not part of the simulation. For all we know...it still may be part of the original programming. I still believe the Reset happens because Roger Smith decided not to merge with Big O...and Dorothy makes that very strange remark..."Roger Smith has made his decision." It seems to me that what Roger Smith did was NOT part of the simulation program...in effect he did something "new" enough to justify the program resetting or advancing to a new stage...something else we haven't theoriezed yet.

If that part stands the test of arguments pro and con...then it stands to reason that if Angel is the System Administrator...then Dorothy is the Head System Administrator. She's the one above Angel. Think about all the strange coincidences that has Dorothy have strong connections to the Megadei that appear in Paradigm City. I truely believe Dorothy has the power to control or destroy any of the Megadeuses...including Big O. She's the one who is controlling the Paradigm City simulation. Notice the early episodes where Dorothy is having "flashbacks" of her "memories" of the real Dorothy Waynewright. Why did this occur? Because I believe the real Dorothy's consciousness has been transferred to the AI...via R.Dorothy. She's "alive" via the simulation that is Paradigm City and this is where she's allowed to live. Forever in the endless world of Paradigm City. Dorothy resets the simulation when she feels things have gone wrong or need tweaking. And since we have no proof of Angel "knowing" about the Control Room B666...there's no way we can assume Angel was the one who did the Reset prior to Season 2 opening. It was Dorothy once again. She "protected" Roger from certain "death" from the three Megadeuses. Notice the similarity...she was with Roger in the pilot's seat with Roger while in Big O...just like at the end of Act 26 in Season 2's finale.

I'm not quite sure if I'm willing to give Dorothy the role of "head system administrator." I'll admit that she plays an incredibly significant role in mediating the final conflict, but I'm more apt to believe that she knew about Roger's choice because of a connection with Big-O. I've said it before, but I think Dorothy somehow embodies the "power of God," as it's described in the series.

She has an ability to communicate with almost all of the megadei, and a comprehension of other machines as well. Take the scene in "twisted memories," where she remarks on the function of the scorpion robots. She has a very strong connection to the mechanical world, but I've never seen anything to really suggest that it was her calling the shots. The final scene with Roger, Angel and Dorothy in the control room suggests that she's significant, like I said, but at the moment I still think Angel is running the show.

Angel is running the show now, since she's the new director, but every director must answer to the producer to even have the production go on. Perhaps either Roger Smith and/or R.Dorothy Wayneright are the "Producers".

After all, the book that was Gordon's was changed to Angel's ownership.

Also, the Angel of the simulation was the real Angel's Deus ex Machina. Her representative in the simulation, just as the other Dominii are. That's why Gordon said she was a fragment of memory. Because the Angel in the simulation was in fact just an AI. Once she regained her wings, pretty much the real Angel took over, as the creature that had become what it once was before it was a bird had it's feathers replaced. In other words, the mere program became the avatar of a user. Angel Rosewater. So now the new director of the simulation replaces the old. Her tears over things in ep. 26 were not only for Roger's speech, but for Gordon Rosewater. Most likely the reason why she was given the power of the director was because of Gordon's death in the real.

I almost want to slip back to my MMORPG theory, where Paradigm City is one big game on a server and the Dominii are the players.

Paradigm isn't just a stage, perhaps it's an arena?

I've made yet another stunning discovery. I was watching Act 26 yet again…and I noticed something I missed all this time until now. At the very beginning of the episode…we see Big Ear make his shocking announcement. Then at the next shot shows…there is a newspaper showing the result of the big showdown between Big O and Big Fau. But this I've noticed before BUT I've never taken in its significance until I made the new discovery. Because it's the very next shot that took me by surprise. Just before Big Ear's final comment is heard…you see a wide angle shot of the room Big Ear is in.

It's in this shot that we can see he's dead. His neck is broken, sitting in a room virtually collapsing as he is speaking. No surprise there because I already knew this. Now the NEW clue comes when you look at the upper left corner of the scene. You see there is part of a building appearing there. After Big Ear finishes his monologue, the building he's sitting at totally collapses and after the dust clears…you are seeing the setting of Big O's showdown with Big Fau. But notice…the building is still in the upper left hand corner. We're actually seeing an event that ALREADY happened…thanks to the clue left just before Big Ear's establishment collapsed. In other words, Big Ear was revealing something to an event that already happened in Paradigm City's history and after his room collapsed…we're witnessing the "event" that already happened "in real time" and the result CANNOT be changed. It already occurred. This ties into my theory that the resets that happen cause the program to redo the same crucial events over again until something new happens…or a different branch is taken by important actors in the hologram. Like when Roger Smith decided NOT to merge with Big O. It's right after this that Dorothy makes her strange announcement and the hologram starts going into a reset mode. This is a strong hint that Dorothy is the one who starts the reset…not Angel. In fact, the reset starts to happen BEFORE Angel even reaches the B666 Control Room, something nobody has mentioned before.

Since we've pretty much established thanks to the writers decision to end Season 2 this way…and if there is NO Season 3 ever to hit the airwaves, that Paradigm City is a sophisticated hologram simulation. Now someone else made the brilliant observation that what we may be seeing in Paradigm City are bits and pieces of both the past and the future floating around the city because since it's just a simulation…then it's entirely possible that there are bits of stray code that survives the "resets" that occur in the program…just like in the movie The Matrix Reloaded…with the Albino Twins…who are "ghosts" of code previously written into the Matrix.

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Originally posted by DorothyFan1 Since we've pretty much established thanks to the writers decision to end Season 2 this way…and if there is NO Season 3 ever to hit the airwaves, that Paradigm City is a sophisticated hologram simulation. Now someone else made the brilliant observation that what we may be seeing in Paradigm City are bits and pieces of both the past and the future floating around the city because since it's just a simulation…then it's entirely possible that there are bits of stray code that survives the "resets" that occur in the program…just like in the movie The Matrix Reloaded…with the Albino Twins…who are "ghosts" of code previously written into the Matrix.

I was never aware that we affirmatively established Paradigm as a hologram simulation.

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Originally posted by saladdays quote: Originally posted by DorothyFan1 Since we've pretty much established thanks to the writers decision to end Season 2 this way…and if there is NO Season 3 ever to hit the airwaves, that Paradigm City is a sophisticated hologram simulation. Now someone else made the brilliant observation that what we may be seeing in Paradigm City are bits and pieces of both the past and the future floating around the city because since it's just a simulation…then it's entirely possible that there are bits of stray code that survives the "resets" that occur in the program…just like in the movie The Matrix Reloaded…with the Albino Twins…who are "ghosts" of code previously written into the Matrix. I was never aware that we affirmatively established Paradigm as a hologram simulation.

As far as we can tell...it's pretty obvious everything that happened in Paradigm City was based on a sophisticated holgram program. Looking at the events and results of Act 26 is so point blank you can't possibly miss the significance.

The only person Paradigm City's hologram program seems to benefit the most is R.Dorothy. It's her quest to become more human-like and she's learning from the experiences she gets from the program via working alongside "Roger Smith".

Now, I have a hunch...because there's no evidence to support my theory on this...but I believe R.Dorothy is Roger Smith's wife but Roger Smith doesn't know this...yet. Not according to the Paradigm City hologram programming. I'm theorizing that Roger Smith "died"...possibly the one we see in the Memory fragment from Act 26...but his consciousness has been transferred to the Paradigm City simulation core and R.Dorothy is using the program to "rehabilitate" the real Roger Smith via the constant simulations. She's doing this to ensure Roger Smith can accept his programming otherwise if he rejects it...he'll die. This might explain why R.Dorothy is the real System Administrator. Angel is simply the decoy to prevent Roger Smith from finding out the truth about himself and R.Dorothy. She's the one who plays decoy to make Roger Smith not put R.Dorothy under suspicion. Otherwise had the memory fragments Roger saw underwater had been proof it had all been R.Dorothy...he would have been shocked and possibly rejected the knowledge. Had that happened...Roger Smith would have died. So, R.Dorothy's purpose is to ensure her husband learns to accept his new surroundings so once he fully understands it all..he'll be willing to accept his new environment and lead a new life with R.Dorothy in the AI.

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Originally posted by DorothyFan1As far as we can tell...it's pretty obvious everything that happened in Paradigm City was based on a sophisticated holgram program. Looking at the events and results of Act 26 is so point blank you can't possibly miss the significance.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, and I don't have a good answer myself, but if it was that clear, then there would be no debate around the internet on this.

It is possible that this Roger smith is a clone or decendent of the Roger Smith seen in the Hydra flashback. he does have a moment of seeing his Ma in Underground Terror (where are our giant robots any way?! it's like 2005 already.)

The Megadecues seem to either want their masters, or are trying to look for a new one after they have been activated. Thsi means that if Big O lost Roger, and the memory of Roger was disturbed or robbed perhaps, Big O would come out the depths of the ocean.

Both Montage prophesies indicate that without Big O, roger would wonder the streets of Paradigm and without Roger, Big O would become another one of the 4 harbingers of the apocolypse like the Bonaparte Trio was to Big Fau.

It took the willpower of Dorothy acting indepently of her memories to save roger and Big O from the fates of others that resulted in the situaitons that Roger had to 'negotiate.'

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Originally posted by paradoxx It is possible that this Roger smith is a clone or decendent of the Roger Smith seen in the Hydra flashback. he does have a moment of seeing his Ma in Underground Terror (where are our giant robots any way?! it's like 2005 already.) The Megadecues seem to either want their masters, or are trying to look for a new one after they have been activated. Thsi means that if Big O lost Roger, and the memory of Roger was disturbed or robbed perhaps, Big O would come out the depths of the ocean. Both Montage prophesies indicate that without Big O, roger would wonder the streets of Paradigm and without Roger, Big O would become another one of the 4 harbingers of the apocolypse like the Bonaparte Trio was to Big Fau. It took the willpower of Dorothy acting indepently of her memories to save roger and Big O from the fates of others that resulted in the situaitons that Roger had to 'negotiate.'

Your answer is proof beyond a doubt that Dorothy is a Dominus and most definitely the pilot of one of the Big 3. I say it's Big Fau.

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Originally posted by DorothyFan1 quote: Originally posted by paradoxx It is possible that this Roger smith is a clone or decendent of the Roger Smith seen in the Hydra flashback. he does have a moment of seeing his Ma in Underground Terror (where are our giant robots any way?! it's like 2005 already.) The Megadecues seem to either want their masters, or are trying to look for a new one after they have been activated. Thsi means that if Big O lost Roger, and the memory of Roger was disturbed or robbed perhaps, Big O would come out the depths of the ocean. Both Montage prophesies indicate that without Big O, roger would wonder the streets of Paradigm and without Roger, Big O would become another one of the 4 harbingers of the apocolypse like the Bonaparte Trio was to Big Fau. It took the willpower of Dorothy acting indepently of her memories to save roger and Big O from the fates of others that resulted in the situaitons that Roger had to 'negotiate.' Your answer is proof beyond a doubt that Dorothy is a Dominus and most definitely the pilot of one of the Big 3. I say it's Big Fau.

I don't know how it is proof beyond a doubt. And if Dorothy was truly a dominus, then I don't see how she could be any of the other Big 3 besides Big Fau, as Roger, from this theory, is definitely Big O's dominus, and it seems as Schwarzwald is Big Duo's dominus.

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I don't know how it is proof beyond a doubt. And if Dorothy was truly a dominus, then I don't see how she could be any of the other Big 3 besides Big Fau, as Roger, from this theory, is definitely Big O's dominus, and it seems as Schwarzwald is Big Duo's dominus.

Dorothy then is Big Fau's Dominus. Because it definitely can't be Alex Rosewater. He had to STEAL Dorothy's memory core. That's an extremely big hint right there. I hope Bandai Entertainment takes this route for Season 3. *Ahem* Excuse me...IF there ever IS a Season 3.

I do not believe Dorothy was Big Fau's Dominus . Dorothy was an andriod, a machine, who possess the truth of machines ,that being servitude too man . Megadeus's also possess the truth of machines and serve man in kind ,when a megadeus starts running amok ,it is in search of a dominous ,or because it has overstepped its boundties as a machine (i.e sentience , a defiance of the truth of machies) or it has been comanded to do so by a human .

A dominus must know both the truth of man and machine to be a true dominus (thus speaks Schwarzwald) the truth of man is that he is falable ,anything beyond that is a personal truth (such as Rogers "I dont know who i am but i dont realy care" thing ). Dorothy while knowing both truths could not be the dominous as she is machine .

Alan Gabriel was both man and machine and could not conform too either truth that is why Big Duo killed him .
Big duo chose Seebach because he abided by all thr truths of the world though he sought many of them .

but im getting off topic ...when ive built up enough courage ill post my theory on dominus's , megadeus's , and their relation too the world around them ...prolly in the form of a fan fic

until then
"Think, you humans who are split into two worlds! Unless you want the gulf between humans to expant into oblivion, you must THINK! - -Schwarzwald

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Originally posted by Xero-Hour I do not believe Dorothy was Big Fau's Dominus . Dorothy was an andriod, a machine, who possess the truth of machines ,that being servitude too man . Megadeus's also possess the truth of machines and serve man in kind ,when a megadeus starts running amok ,it is in search of a dominous ,or because it has overstepped its boundties as a machine (i.e sentience , a defiance of the truth of machies) or it has been comanded to do so by a human . A dominus must know both the truth of man and machine to be a true dominus (thus speaks Schwarzwald) the truth of man is that he is falable ,anything beyond that is a personal truth (such as Rogers "I dont know who i am but i dont realy care" thing ). Dorothy while knowing both truths could not be the dominous as she is machine . Alan Gabriel was both man and machine and could not conform too either truth that is why Big Duo killed him . Big duo chose Seebach because he abided by all thr truths of the world though he sought many of them .

I'm inclined to agree. Dorothy had a "special" connection to Dorothy I as well, but obviously wasn't a dominus.

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but im getting off topic ...when ive built up enough courage ill post my theory on dominus's , megadeus's , and their relation too the world around them ...prolly in the form of a fan fic

Yeah, we have gone a lot off topic.