Act 26: Big O vs. Big Fau

If the Final Stage was jettisoned from the chassis after use, isn't there reason to believe that its power source was self-contained? I don't think that the Big O's systems (Final Stage aside) used every ounce of energy from a power core that could vaporize everything in a 10 mile line. The Final Stage could have had its own fuel cell, designed to be discarded after one use.

After all, it wouldn't make much sense to have a devastating weapon that drains the power core completely, which once spent leaves the rest of the robot obsolete.

it doesnt make sense if you look at it like that

but it does make sense if it comes to a really desparate measure to use every possible available resource

Big O was designed to be a land superiority robot. It would be quite a waste if the thing was nothing more than a useless shell after blowing its Final Stage. The attack is powerful and all, but it DID miss. The Final Stage was probably designed to be a last-ditch effort, but as a weapons platform, The Big O should still be able to work after firing it.

Look at the Death Star. That laser is a thousand times more powerful than the Final Stage, yet it doesn't drain the reactor completely.

But the Death Star's only purpose is to fire the super laser and blow stuff up with it,Big O's purpose is more prolonged combot oriented .Also the DeathStar's laser had its own power generators seperate from the rest of the station ,and the station was big enough too have room for these generators ,Big O while huge, isent big enough (in my opinion) to hold 2 power generators in its torso ...gotta have room for the missile racks and Big O (What Rosewatter called the final stage weapon)

If the weapon dident burn out or if Big O moved at all (not counting the reality bending crap with Big Venus) then Id think diffirent

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Originally posted by Spoderman Big O was designed to be a land superiority robot. It would be quite a waste if the thing was nothing more than a useless shell after blowing its Final Stage. The attack is powerful and all, but it DID miss. The Final Stage was probably designed to be a last-ditch effort, but as a weapons platform, The Big O should still be able to work after firing it. Look at the Death Star. That laser is a thousand times more powerful than the Final Stage, yet it doesn't drain the reactor completely.

Well, I hardly see Big O comparable to the Death Star since the Death star is much larger and I assume has a larger power source.

But if Big O still had power left, and could therefore beat Big Fau most likely, why did Roger look freaked out when he saw Big Fau still half-there? Did he think he was going to lose or was he just so surprised at how bad a shot he is?

definately Big O.

he probably had a hip anchor left so he would use that to fly out of the way then charge up for a piston punch and blast rosewater to smithereenies.

there's also the chance that if big o had a malfunction and could move out of the way, Big Fau, who didn't want alex as his dominuce, could have self destructed. either way, alex would have lost if big venus was there or not.

he had one cannon left. and Rodger after the blast got caught off guard. Alex had him in his firing range and could have shot him right there. Just Big Venus came can surprized both of them so Alex didn't fire.

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Originally posted by saladdays quote: Originally posted by Xero-Hour You all forget that Big Fau had 1 cannon left and was ready too fire ...wich would have been the finishing shot Im pretty sure Big O's "final stage" is an attack that depleats its power completely.This conclusion is supported by the fact tat the knolege of the weapons existance was provided by Beck who said "I hate them both ,the black guy and the wite guy Buuuut .....hehe" this ,I believe, means he hoped they would destroy each other and as a side not I gotta say Rogers bad aim suprises me in this fight . When you have only 1 shot you try not too miss I'm not sure how that line makes it clear that Beck knew of the final stage of Big O.

Before Roger uses the Final Stage, he asked Dorothy how she knew and she said that she was informed by a baffoon with curly hair and guady clothing.

Big Fau wasn't able to move because after Big Venus appears it looks like he is trying to scramble away, but nothing happens. I think it would have been Big O.

Big O's power problems are besides the point. Could that one shot have even destroyed Big O?

I mean, the Final Stage didn't even completely obliterate Fau. How could a single shot from Fau's chest cannon destroy Big O?



Like I said before. To destroy Big O, Big Fau would have to hit the cockpit area, that little hole in Big O's chest. I refuse to believe that an off-kilter Big Fau with half of its left side missing could have nailed this shot.

After reading this thread...I've come to this conclusion: Big O did NOT miss when the Final Stage was initiated. People on this thread are making the claim that Big O missed?! and that's why Big Fau has ONLY the left side of its armor blown away.

I have a different take on this...remember that Big Fau had its force field in place. Big O was NEVER able to land a physical blow onto Big Fau. Not once. The only time Big O was able to surprise Big Fau was when its hip anchors shot out and wrapped around its neck and dragged him overboard into the sea along with Big O.

Somebody posted a beautiful speculation/theory that Big O was the Earth element, while Big Fau was the Water element leaving Big Duo being the Air element. Now, if we remember there is more water mass than land mass on Earth...this means that Big Fau could have won this duel with Big O. The ending notwithstanding, of course.

This brings up the speculation on whether the Big O was depleted after expending all that energy into this massive discharge. I think the answer to this is a qualified yes...BUT...it's possible Big O had something left as Big Fau clearly had to rely on that last shot to take out Roger Smith.

I'm still mystified why the Big O had to use the Final Stage against Big Fau. Was it because Roger had no choice in that Big Fau was that strong? Or was it because Dorothy offered him the option to use the Final Stage thanks to her help by plugging into Big O?

Final thought: were any people in that dome when Roger and Dorothy leveled it? If so...that makes Roger Smith and R.Dorothy murderers and perhaps this is why Big Venus shows up to do the reset? Because Roger and Dorothy would have been arrested for mass homicide? Big Venus saves Big O from incarceration?

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Originally posted by DorothyFan1 After reading this thread...I've come to this conclusion: Big O did NOT miss when the Final Stage was initiated. People on this thread are making the claim that Big O missed?! and that's why Big Fau has ONLY the left side of its armor blown away. I have a different take on this...remember that Big Fau had its force field in place. Big O was NEVER able to land a physical blow onto Big Fau. Not once. The only time Big O was able to surprise Big Fau was when its hip anchors shot out and wrapped around its neck and dragged him overboard into the sea along with Big O. Somebody posted a beautiful speculation/theory that Big O was the Earth element, while Big Fau was the Water element leaving Big Duo being the Air element. Now, if we remember there is more water mass than land mass on Earth...this means that Big Fau could have won this duel with Big O. The ending notwithstanding, of course. This brings up the speculation on whether the Big O was depleted after expending all that energy into this massive discharge. I think the answer to this is a qualified yes...BUT...it's possible Big O had something left as Big Fau clearly had to rely on that last shot to take out Roger Smith. I'm still mystified why the Big O had to use the Final Stage against Big Fau. Was it because Roger had no choice in that Big Fau was that strong? Or was it because Dorothy offered him the option to use the Final Stage thanks to her help by plugging into Big O? Final thought: were any people in that dome when Roger and Dorothy leveled it? If so...that makes Roger Smith and R.Dorothy murderers and perhaps this is why Big Venus shows up to do the reset? Because Roger and Dorothy would have been arrested for mass homicide? Big Venus saves Big O from incarceration?

Well, you never actually see anyone die from anything Big O does, but the destruction caused by Big Fau would have been even greater if Big O (and later Big Venus) intervenes. I don't see how Roger and Dorothy could ever be considered murderers even if lives were lost by their hands, as there was nothing else to do to defend against Big Fau.

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After reading this thread...I've come to this conclusion: Big O did NOT miss when the Final Stage was initiated. People on this thread are making the claim that Big O missed?! and that's why Big Fau has ONLY the left side of its armor blown away.

Then why was Roger shocked when the dust cleared?

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Now, if we remember there is more water mass than land mass on Earth...this means that Big Fau could have won this duel with Big O. The ending notwithstanding, of course.

Land accounts for 99% of the mass of earth. I think you're forgetting about what's 60 miles beneath your feet. Its not water, I assure you. Furthermore, according to your view here, wouldn't Big Duo have been the best of the three?

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I'm still mystified why the Big O had to use the Final Stage against Big Fau. Was it because Roger had no choice in that Big Fau was that strong? Or was it because Dorothy offered him the option to use the Final Stage thanks to her help by plugging into Big O?

I don't think it was Roger's choice. He looked pretty surprised to me when the control panel changed.

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Final thought: were any people in that dome when Roger and Dorothy leveled it?

Considering they survived Big Fau's rampage, probably. In order to make an omelette, you need to crack some eggs. Casualties are an inevitability, and when the cause is morally sound, they are justified.

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If so...that makes Roger Smith and R.Dorothy murderers and perhaps this is why Big Venus shows up to do the reset? Because Roger and Dorothy would have been arrested for mass homicide? Big Venus saves Big O from incarceration?

No, it makes them warriors. And who's going to arrest Roger? You want to argue with a megadeus?

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Originally posted by Spoderman [quote]After reading this thread...I've come to this conclusion: Big O did NOT miss when the Final Stage was initiated. People on this thread are making the claim that Big O missed?! and that's why Big Fau has ONLY the left side of its armor blown away.

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Then why was Roger shocked when the dust cleared?

Because Big Fau survived the Final Stage assault and is still standing.

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Now, if we remember there is more water mass than land mass on Earth...this means that Big Fau could have won this duel with Big O. The ending notwithstanding, of course.

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Land accounts for 99% of the mass of earth. I think you're forgetting about what's 60 miles beneath your feet. Its not water, I assure you. Furthermore, according to your view here, wouldn't Big Duo have been the best of the three?

That's an interesting theory...the one about Big Duo. It's too bad there won't be a Season 3 to solve that quandary...which of the Big 3 Megadeuses is the strongest. Big O can't fly, Big Fau can...but only underwater...which explains the reasoning given that Big Fau is the Water element. So this leaves Big Duo. Big Duo would have finished off Big O if it hadn't rejected Alan Gabriel for its Dominus. So for the time being I have to say Big O and Duo are tied. Big Fau may be the strongest though.

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I'm still mystified why the Big O had to use the Final Stage against Big Fau. Was it because Roger had no choice in that Big Fau was that strong? Or was it because Dorothy offered him the option to use the Final Stage thanks to her help by plugging into Big O?

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I don't think it was Roger's choice. He looked pretty surprised to me when the control panel changed.

Are you saying Roger Smith didn't know Big O had this capability? Or are you suggesting he didn't know that Dorothy was aware of this "Final Stage" of Big O?

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Final thought: were any people in that dome when Roger and Dorothy leveled it?

Considering they survived Big Fau's rampage, probably. In order to make an omelette, you need to crack some eggs. Casualties are an inevitability, and when the cause is morally sound, they are justified.

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If so...that makes Roger Smith and R.Dorothy murderers and perhaps this is why Big Venus shows up to do the reset? Because Roger and Dorothy would have been arrested for mass homicide? Big Venus saves Big O from incarceration?

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No, it makes them warriors. And who's going to arrest Roger? You want to argue with a megadeus?

No problem here. Just thought of something...I think Beck should be Big Duo's Dominus while Dorothy should be awarded Big Fau...her memory core is powering the White Megadeus...so...hmmm...something I'm thinking about for a fan fiction story as alas, Cartoon Network doesn't seem interested in encouraging Bandai Network to go ahead and do a Season 3.

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[i] Final thought: were any people in that dome when Roger and Dorothy leveled it? If so...that makes Roger Smith and R.Dorothy murderers and perhaps this is why Big Venus shows up to do the reset? Because Roger and Dorothy would have been arrested for mass homicide? Big Venus saves Big O from incarceration?

Frankly one of the things I never underdstood about Big O but loved anyway was that Roger never had any concern for any of the buildings he was destroying or people he was possibly killing during his fighting with other megadeuses.

Also, while I'm sure Roger has killed some people in the past, he has never gotten in trouble. I guess whatever you have to do to save the city...

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Originally posted by Full Metal Megadeus quote: [i] Final thought: were any people in that dome when Roger and Dorothy leveled it? If so...that makes Roger Smith and R.Dorothy murderers and perhaps this is why Big Venus shows up to do the reset? Because Roger and Dorothy would have been arrested for mass homicide? Big Venus saves Big O from incarceration? Frankly one of the things I never underdstood about Big O but loved anyway was that Roger never had any concern for any of the buildings he was destroying or people he was possibly killing during his fighting with other megadeuses. Also, while I'm sure Roger has killed some people in the past, he has never gotten in trouble. I guess whatever you have to do to save the city...

I've thought of that before too. But if Roger had to worry about every single person, he never could save the city.

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Originally posted by saladdays I've thought of that before too. But if Roger had to worry about every single person, he never could save the city.

That doesn't work, though. All the people in the show who take the attitude, "You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs" are villains. The heroes all believe that everyonematters.

Frankly, I think that much of the collateral damage is the result of sloppy thinking on the part of the animators, who have blindly accepted too much of their "giant robot show" tradition.

In every case I can think of, the acts that presumably killed large numbers of people through collateral damage were visually spectacular but not really relevant to the plot. For example, when Big O bursts through the skyscraper in Act 12, presumably killing the surviving partygoers plus all the catering staff and other innocents. Bursting through the skyscraper was pointless and physically implausible, but it looked good.

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Originally posted by A Clockwork Tomato That doesn't work, though. All the people in the show who take the attitude, "You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs" are villains. The heroes all believe that everyonematters.

Then how do you explain it?

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Frankly, I think that much of the collateral damage is the result of sloppy thinking on the part of the animators, who have blindly accepted too much of their "giant robot show" tradition. In every case I can think of, the acts that presumably killed large numbers of people through collateral damage were visually spectacular but not really relevant to the plot. For example, when Big O bursts through the skyscraper in Act 12, presumably killing the surviving partygoers plus all the catering staff and other innocents. Bursting through the skyscraper was pointless and physically implausible, but it looked good.

I think that point is simply a cop-out. Perhaps the animators were just "sloppy," but the point is that it's in the show.

If we're going on the assumption that most of the city is abandoned, as we're told over and over again, then alot of the wanton destruction of the buildings is just that; destruction of empty buildings. Also, every time the megadei fight, Dastun and the military police show up to clear as many of the people out as they can.

Besides, common sense clearly indicates that when a giant robot that is as large or larger than a sky-scraper comes bursting up out of the ground, you run like hell.

There obviously were casualties throughout the series, but I think the main dome was pretty much empty after the Bonaparte incident in "The Third Big." Once the scaffolding sharts crashing down around you, I can't imagine wanting to stick around.

You'll also notice that, throughout the series, (barring the last few episodes,) most of the structural damage takes place outside the domes. When Roger fights inside the residential domes, like during "Negotiations with the Dead" and "The Greatest Villain," there is some damage, but the fights are really pretty brief.

I think alot of Roger's seeming carelessness about the fights outside the domes come from the fact that he really can't know which buildings are populated and which aren't, and he just has to trust that the military police are doing their job. At least, that's how I see it.

I think Big O would have won to be sure. I think the reason we didn't see Roger go through with it was because Roger never kills anyone. Did anyone else notice that? Roger never killed anyone in the entire series that I can remember.

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Originally posted by Spacehog I think Big O would have won to be sure. I think the reason we didn't see Roger go through with it was because Roger never kills anyone. Did anyone else notice that? Roger never killed anyone in the entire series that I can remember.

No, I don't believe he did. That would have been awful for the last episode to be the only time he did! Good point!

I voted for Big-O as well. It just seemed like in the end Big-O would have destroyed Big-Fau. Plus, he is the hero of the story and they rarely ever die!