Anyone notice this?

In episode 26, has anyone noticed that the memory core unit from Dorothy in Big Fau twists to an up and down position (after being side to side), to an hourglass shape?

yeah, the motif's of the hourglass, related with roger. also when the hourglass dips, it disagrees, especially when it turns red.

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Originally posted by Captain Maw yeah, the motif's of the hourglass, related with roger. also when the hourglass dips, it disagrees, especially when it turns red.

Yeah, that's true. Like at the end of that episode, it is red. I can't remember the exact action that Alex Rosewater was doing, but Big Fau disagreed with whatever it was.

Yeah I always thought that part was cool if you look throught out sometimes there are other symbols of the hour glass I'll have to find some again.

-Beth

I beleive Alex was saying that he was the true dominus which Big Fau disagreed with since Alex is just a tomato.

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Originally posted by Full Metal Megadeus I beleive Alex was saying that he was the true dominus which Big Fau disagreed with since Alex is just a tomato.

Yeah, I think you are right.

then rodger is not the dominuce of big o because he is a tomatoe.

Big Fau never "hated" Alex it just didn't choose him. Not until the Alex's Bar code went through its systems. When Alex was the dominuce of big fau.

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Originally posted by Full Metal Megadeus I beleive Alex was saying that he was the true dominus which Big Fau disagreed with since Alex is just a tomato.

I think you're getting two episodes confused. In Act 21, Fau punishes Alex after Alex says, in effect, "I didn't need a core memory after all. I am the core memory! I am the great Dominus of Megadeus!" That's when Fau starts ignoring all the controls and starts destorying Paradigm Main Dome, including Paradigm HQ. He's punishing Alex for dissing him.

In Act 26, the hourglass spins and turns red after Fau stabs Alex in the back. I got the impression that when the sands ran out, Alex would be dead, absorbed into Big Fau.

Iv always though of it as being more like scales weighing each decision being pulled left or right decideing on wether or not Fau should devote itself to Alex Rosewater's cause ....The only reson I think this is because of the way Alex talks too Fau asking it question as to wether or not the lives of people matter ....Alex was negotiating with Big Fau

Ultimatly the scales dident turn until Alex offered Fau something in return himself...and they came too terms hehe

This leads me to believe that a dominous is only a dominous when he /she wins fights thusly proving him/herself worthy too wield the power of god

Id lik too know what you think of this as Iv spent alot of time thinking about it (lota sparetime)

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Originally posted by Xylem then rodger is not the dominuce of big o because he is a tomatoe. .

No, Gordon Rosewater told Roger Smith he was not a tomato in Act 25. I may be wrong but i'm pretty sure they showed pretty clearly in Acts 25 and 26 that the Roger Smith we know is an Android replica of the real Roger Smith (Roger the Wanderer) who lived previous to 40 years ago and was given permision by Gordon to pilot Big O so he could negotiate with Angel before another reset happened.

I'm getting the impression that if the Memory Core was Dorothy...that Dorothy's memory core was realizing what Gordon Rosewater did with her and is revolting against Gordon from being the Dominus.

I'm also beginning to believe that Gordon was rejected by Big Fau when he tried to blast Big O with the shoulder weapon. I don't believe Angel via Big Venus was the cause of Big Fau's controls to stop working. It was Big Fau saying No to Gordon Rosewater.

I also believe that Dorothy could potentially be the Dominus for Big Fau. After all, her memory core was being used to pilot the big Megadeus. She is an android herself so absorbing herself into Big Fau wouldn't be possible because there is nothing to sychronize. This is why Dorothy was able to merge with Big O with Roger at the controls. She was an android who was capable of doing this...although I could be wrong. Someone has to either prove my thesis incorrect or theorize my comments to be within reason.

Big Fau was mad at Alex because he didn't want him as its dominuce. that's what i always thought since Big Fau rejected him in act 21.

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Originally posted by DorothyFan1 I'm getting the impression that if the Memory Core was Dorothy...that Dorothy's memory core was realizing what Gordon Rosewater did with her and is revolting against Gordon from being the Dominus. I'm also beginning to believe that Gordon was rejected by Big Fau when he tried to blast Big O with the shoulder weapon. I don't believe Angel via Big Venus was the cause of Big Fau's controls to stop working. It was Big Fau saying No to Gordon Rosewater.

No offense intended Dorothy fabn but I don't want anyone getting confused.I'm sure it was an honest mistake but...

Alex Rosewater is the tomato who pilots Big Fau. Gordon Rosewater is the man Alex beleives is his father and the one who reveals to Angel her true self (the guy with the tomato farm).

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Originally posted by Full Metal Megadeus quote: Originally posted by DorothyFan1 I'm getting the impression that if the Memory Core was Dorothy...that Dorothy's memory core was realizing what Gordon Rosewater did with her and is revolting against Gordon from being the Dominus. I'm also beginning to believe that Gordon was rejected by Big Fau when he tried to blast Big O with the shoulder weapon. I don't believe Angel via Big Venus was the cause of Big Fau's controls to stop working. It was Big Fau saying No to Gordon Rosewater. No offense intended Dorothy fabn but I don't want anyone getting confused.I'm sure it was an honest mistake but... Alex Rosewater is the tomato who pilots Big Fau. Gordon Rosewater is the man Alex beleives is his father and the one who reveals to Angel her true self (the guy with the tomato farm).

My bad. Sorry about the mixup with the names. You're right.

I'm pretty sure that Roger isn't a tomato either, but from what Gordon Rosewater says, it's still almost anyone's call. He tells Roger that, "Of all my precious tomatos, you, negotiator, are not one of my beloved ones." Or at least something like that. It sounds at first like Roger isn't a tomato, but Gordon isn't all that clear. Maybe he means that Roger is like Vera and the Union, in that he was part of the inferior stock. I personally don't believe that, but you never know.

As far as the andriod theory goes, I personally disagree. Yes, we get the quick scene where Roger sees the assembly line of Roger andriods, but that's immediately following one of the scenes of the hundreds of Big O's marching side by side. Maybe Roger was mass-produced in the past, before the event. I just took that part to be symbollic, rather than literal, in that there will always be a negotiator when the city needs one - part of the tie-in to all of Roger's lines about playing "the role of Roger Smith."

Another point; none of the other andriods in the show bleed. Not even Big Ear, who was obviously the most advanced andriod around - even more advanced than Dorothy. Roger's bloody arm in "Roger the Wanderer" leads me to think that he's flesh and blood. If he's cybernetic, I suppose he could be something like Allen Gabriel, but Idon't think that's really right either. After all, Duo rejected Allen because he possessed the foolishness of both man and machine, according to Schwarzwald. Big O hasboth andriod and human parts in the form of Roger and Dorothy - two complete individuals, rather than halves of humanity and technology. I could be completely wrong on all of this, and I don't mean to bunk your theory because you could be totally right. I'm just trying to sound some things out. Feel free to disagree with me.

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Originally posted by Ollen70 As far as the andriod theory goes, I personally disagree. Yes, we get the quick scene where Roger sees the assembly line of Roger andriods, but that's immediately following one of the scenes of the hundreds of Big O's marching side by side. Maybe Roger was mass-produced in the past, before the event. I just took that part to be symbollic, rather than literal, in that there will always be a negotiator when the city needs one - part of the tie-in to all of Roger's lines about playing "the role of Roger Smith." Another point; none of the other andriods in the show bleed. Not even Big Ear, who was obviously the most advanced andriod around - even more advanced than Dorothy. Roger's bloody arm in "Roger the Wanderer" leads me to think that he's flesh and blood. If he's cybernetic, I suppose he could be something like Allen Gabriel, but Idon't think that's really right either. After all, Duo rejected Allen because he possessed the foolishness of both man and machine, according to Schwarzwald. Big O hasboth andriod and human parts in the form of Roger and Dorothy - two complete individuals, rather than halves of humanity and technology. I could be completely wrong on all of this, and I don't mean to bunk your theory because you could be totally right. I'm just trying to sound some things out. Feel free to disagree with me.

I forget when in that episode Roger was bleeding but i beleive its when he is in Big O fighting the megadeuses, in that case I have always had a little theory. I thought that maybe Roger was an extremely anvanced android, not that he was stronger or smarter or anything, but that he was made to look the most human. I think this means that Rpger could gotten reallistic looking skin with fake blood ungerneath and tiny mechanical nerve endings embedded in his skin. you would probably have to cut deep into his body to see anything mechanical with the naked eye.

This was brought to my attention when Gordon tells Roger "I hired you...no...a Roger Smith to be the negotiator of this city". Then later, when Roger is in the water with Big O he states, "I don't understand, if you cut me I bleed". Then we see the assembly line of Rogers.

Your explanation is more plausible and I could be wrong but I'm just throwing it out there.

how do you know it was mad? speculation taken as fact....

I may be wrong myself, since not too many people agree with me on this point, but I don't think the assembly line of Rogers was meant to be literal, like I said. It seems sort of symbolic, and a really mean plot twist to boot. I thought it sort of implied that our Roger is definitely not the first Roger Smith - he comes in a long line of them, and that there will always be someone to play the part of Roger.

But I guess it's possible for him to really be an android. We're set up to believe that anyway, since Big Ear turned out to be one, and he eplicitly states in the first episode that life-like androids are impossible to make. Maybe that was meant to be a set-up for the Roger/android assembly line thing. Who knows?

But you have to admit, if Roger actually was an android, then that whole Beck and Roger-bot thing in "The Greatest Villian" episode is about ten times creepier.

Maybe Roger was an android in a previous run of the simulation, but he isn't one now. Every time Paradigm City restarts, things could change a little so the outcome is different. The flashes he sees when he's drowning may be memories from previous sims.

Yeah, I think that's a definite possibility.