Did Schwarzwalds Help Roger in ''The Big Fight Act''?

Just Wondering, In the Big Fight ACT where it is Alan in Big Duo Vs Roger in Big O, Schwarzwald Spirit Continues Bothering Alan Into His Death, An Big Duo Just Flys away? Does Schwarzwalds Spirit Still Exist in Big Duo? Wasnt he the Dominus s of Big Duo Though?.


I Just keep thinking to myself, If Roger An Seebach was real Good Allies that Paradigm Would be Un Touchable by anyone..?

Well there are a few theories about it (who saw that one coming?)...

Some people think that Big Duo was using Schwarzwald's image and voice to communicate with Alan Gabriel...

Some people (myself included) believe that when Schwarzwald died, his ghost decided to continue his mission and that included revenge for Alan Gabriel's desecration of Big Duo.

And then some people think that "hey! He's Schwarzwald, the guy can do whatever hel pleases!"


But those are certainly not the only theories out there, I would imagine.

Big Duo never really had a true dominus. Schwartzwald was probably the closest thing it found to a dominus. If you recall from "Enemy is Another Big!" Big Duo clambered to its feet after being severely damage by Big O (to which Schwartzwald exclaimed, "It's happening again!". It outstretched its arm towards the Paradigm HQ building, possibly calling for its true dominus; possibly just malfunctioning. It doesn't matter anyway, because Big Duo is an incomplete Megadeus.

The reason it turned on Alan was because it judged Alan as unworthy of the power of God. Only a true dominus can pilot a Big, and Alan never possessed that quality.


Its totally conceivable that Schwartzwald helped Roger. The guy was never really against Roger; just Paradigm city. You're just forgetting that he's flipping insane.

I Also Believe that, Schwarzwald Admired roger alot, Remember when he somehow sent a letter to roger once he died ? at the end of the episode it happend.

What can i say i love Big O, Wish i could find the DVDs somewhere to buy, because i feel that Adultswim wont be showing it too much any more.. Since its Airtime is like 12:30 cst at night.. Seems to be bumping it up.

Here is at least one place you can buy them: DVD Pacific. You can also search for on Ebay.

yeah, he drowned Alan in that wire stuff... (i think?)
It's his ghost, well, i'm pretty sure, the AS summary says that Alan gets visited by Schwarzwald's ghost, so i'm gonna go with that.

I guess Schwarzwald was getting tic off at Alan because he delaying Roger from finding the truth. so somehow he took control of Big Duo and punished Alan.

That letter he sent him plus his appearence had always made me think that somehow they are tied together since we don't know what the letter said.

So Big Duo got stuck with Schwarzwald's ghost in its red shell.

Anyway, I think that Schwazwald became one with the reality that Paradigm City exists in and had a link with Big Duo. Alan went out of control and Duo/Schwarzwald rejected him, absorbing the body of the cyborg (probably for spare parts) and went ever upward (excelsior!) to the truth, which is that Paradigm City is a stage set for an animated television show.

All hail the truth, the new oppressor.

I think Angel makes a very important distinction at the end of LEVIATHAN. It's not Schwarzwald that died out there in the desert; it was Michael Seebach. I believe the specific quite is: "Schwarzwald—no, Michael Seebach—is no longer among the living". Although Seebach had a physical body, the spirit of Schwarzwald is indomitable. Roger himself even reflects, after reading the last letter of Michael Seebach (It's really a shame that we don't get to share in the knowledge of that letter, as it is possibly some of his greatest work) that it was ".. as if he were still wandering the city relentlessly in search of his own personal truth, even after his body had perished." So was Schwarzwald present in THE BIG FIGHT? I believe he was. But why would he help Roger? Well, the reason is simple. Schwarzwald himself reveals it to Alan: "It chooses one who controls the power of God created by Man, one who is able to arrive at one truth. That's not the case with you!" Schwarzwald knows that Roger, as a true dominus, is more likely to arrive at some meaningful truth through his piloting than Alan.

Agian I say schwartzwald was a ghost. remember what he said to rodger. "Michael Seebach has left this world" did he die? in the desert?

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Originally posted by Seebachs Supporter Just Wondering, In the Big Fight ACT where it is Alan in Big Duo Vs Roger in Big O, Schwarzwald Spirit Continues Bothering Alan Into His Death, An Big Duo Just Flys away? Does Schwarzwalds Spirit Still Exist in Big Duo? Wasnt he the Dominus s of Big Duo Though?. I Just keep thinking to myself, If Roger An Seebach was real Good Allies that Paradigm Would be Un Touchable by anyone..?

I think that the ghostly appearance of Schwarzwald was just Big Duo's way of talking to Alan Gabriel before killing him.

I also think that Schwarzwald really was the Dominus of Big Duo, even though Schwarzwald panicked and fled when Duo started operating himself in Act 12.

Some people have claimed that his means that Schwarzwald wasn't the true Dominus, but Big O has also been know to operate himself, ignoring Roger's instructions. In Act 21, for example, he shuts himself down as a way of forcing Roger to go rescue Dorothy.

(For that matter, I think that Alex is Big Fau's Dominus. Just because Big Fau stabs Alex in the back doesn't mean they aren't meant for each other.)

Anyway, I think that Schwarzwald wanted Roger to understand him, but was too crazy and incoherent to get much across. Although most of the "Truth" that Schwarzwald knew turned out to be delusional, he also knew some stuff that was real. Too bad he couldn't hold a conversation with Roger for more than about 30 seconds without someone catching on fire.

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Originally posted by Seebachs Supporter Just Wondering, In the Big Fight ACT where it is Alan in Big Duo Vs Roger in Big O, Schwarzwald Spirit Continues Bothering Alan Into His Death, An Big Duo Just Flys away? Does Schwarzwalds Spirit Still Exist in Big Duo? Wasnt he the Dominus s of Big Duo Though?. I Just keep thinking to myself, If Roger An Seebach was real Good Allies that Paradigm Would be Un Touchable by anyone..?

First off think about it.
Schwatrzvald went insane because he spent years looking at his old newspaper reports (And that would make anyone insane really) but I think he works alone......he didn't intend on helping Roger just doing what I call.......Delivering Alan his Laws.

Schwarzwald realized Roger had come closer to the truth than he had, and probably assisted in some way. He also needed more focus...then he could have brought Big Duo to the maximum.

Not to deviate much:

But in that one seen in The Big Fight where Datsun is passing by the Golden Maiyer Theatre, you see a bearded guy and a woman next to him. That guy resembles a manga scan of Schwarzwald pre-burn. Thought I'ld like to point it out.

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Originally posted by D-Boy But in that one seen in The Big Fight where Datsun is passing by the Golden Maiyer Theatre, you see a bearded guy and a woman next to him. That guy resembles a manga scan of Schwarzwald pre-burn. Thought I'ld like to point it out.

Nicely done I never even noticed this.

THANX

schwartzwald helped rodger to see the truth of paradigm by flying up and smashing the light above big fau. Everyone would be able to see the superdome and thus see the truth. Alex "I never knew thoses were up there".

I would defently have to say that on some level Schwardlz spirit did inded help Roger Smith. Schwardlz spirt's bothered Alan to death and for a good reason Alan was using his Megaduse with out his permission. ^_~" Thus since techncialy Alan was not that Megadus's Domanius it also rejected him but at the same time I think Big Duo also wanted to be re joined with his master and the only way to do that was through death. So in one sense Schwardlz did help Roger, then again thats just my opnion. ^_^"

-Beth

my theory is schwartzwald was never alive. Michael Seebach died in the desert.His ghost schwartzwald is what we see throughout the series. Schwartzwald was the dominuce of Big Duo so he had(almost) complete over Big Duo like Rodger over Big O. He stopped Big Duo at the piont in which Rodger would have died.He then smashed the megaduece into the superdome lights to show paradigm the truth.