The Tim Burton Thread.("Charlie")

I am amazed at Deep Roy for the same reason I am amazed at Hugo Weaving. But moreso. I just saw it. Pure genius. I also felt those machines that wrapped the chocolate in the intro were reminiscent of one piece of equipment in Edward Scissorhands cookie factory. But thats just me.

I think I felt a strong connection to Wonka, mostly because I too am a proud owner of an incomplete mentality. I honestly understood how the character work, and how it didnt. Truly, a pure show of Burtonian skill.

I recommend it.

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Originally posted by D-Boy I am amazed at Deep Roy for the same reason I am amazed at Hugo Weaving. But moreso. I just saw it. Pure genius. I also felt those machines that wrapped the chocolate in the intro were reminiscent of one piece of equipment in Edward Scissorhands cookie factory. But thats just me. I think I felt a strong connection to Wonka, mostly because I too am a proud owner of an incomplete mentality. I honestly understood how the character work, and how it didnt. Truly, a pure show of Burtonian skill. I recommend it.

The machines did feel strongly like the ones in Edward Scissorhands. Burton has this amazing ability to bring such life and enchanting energy to non-living things. Of course Danny Elfman's music also helps a lot.

The real power of this film -and Edward, now that I think of it- is in it's main character. In both Edward Scissorhands and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Tim Burton gives you all this time to spend with the characters. In both films there's about 50 minutes to an hour when not much is happening plot-wise. It's just Edward eating egg salad, cutting vegtables, and trimming bushes. Or Willy dancing to Oompa Loompa songs, and explaining his toys. Character development and plot points are saved for later. It's a formula that really endears the characters to the audience.

Wonka also says the most inappropriate things at absolutely the wrong time. You gotta love him for being awkward. Sometimes when I'm with people I think 'what's the worst thing I could say right now? What would ruin the mood soundly?' In some places it's like Wonka looks around and says 'the mood's already wrecked, what else can I do?' And he goes off quoting 70's hippy music ("Good morning starshine.The Earth says 'hello'!"), or tells the children he's eatable (but that's cannibalism, mind you), or asks a distraught parent which half of their child they'd choose if they had to. What more can you ask for than a crazed character who you can identify with so intimately?

I love 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' for the same reason you do, D Boy. I spent half my first viewing of the film analyzing Wonka. He's so easy to identify with. All of us, to one degree or another, like to retreat into our own worlds, where we are safe to do and be what we want without fear of intrusion. For Wonka his factory is his personal paradise and you want so much for these kids who are trying to break it down to get what's coming to him.

And that's why this film is going to turn into a cult classic.
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muchlove
-Dork

Dork, I have really enjoyed reading everything you have mentioned about Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Yes, this will be a classic.

Sunday, my boyfriend and I went to see this movie as a date. He wanted to see it because it was Tim Burton. I wanted to see it because of Johnny Depp (he knows of my infatuation) and because it was Tim Burton + Johnny + Danny Elfman = of course, a good time. I walked out loving the music. I WANT THAT SOUNDTRACK!

We laughed throughout the movie. I laughed when no one else did and when it was "appropriate." We LOVED IT. Wonka was such a GREAT creepy character. He certainly embodied a youth that people seem to loose touch with after a time. I also really felt for Charlie in the beginning because I forgot when he got the golden ticket. By the time he found it, you KNEW he deserved it. I also agree with the sentiment that the children were all little adults. Man, they were pains and when they had their various "accidents" (with Wonka going "oops") you were glad they had.

My fave part is the ending/epilogue bit. I won't give it away, but that ending is a lot better closure than the original movie. The moral is something that is for everyone.

His Opinion: better than the original.
Mine: Equal. Both are very great movies.

Tim Burton though does have his collection of things he CONSTANTLY uses from film to film. This is more my boyfriend's doing (we had a "If Tim Burton directed this musical, what would it have?" discussion), but we noticed that he likes to use snow, pale skin for the important characters, references to other movies (scissors), and extreme/unusual/bold colors.

I can't wait for Corpse Bride. We're SO SEEING THAT (I hope)! We're also, hopefully, going to do a Tim Burton Movie Watching Marathon thing...after the Kenneth Branagh one.

Later,
Pen1300

Okay, let me break it down. Ish loves Burton flims but someone needs to die for the sin against Wonka. I love Willy Wonka but when you change it I have problems. Depp as Wonka, the Oompa loompas are not orange with green hair and sliver eye brows, geese some how turned into skoos, thats just what I know is wrong from the previews. Then again it's a different movie and I have issuses I need to fix.

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Originally posted by Sano Okay, let me break it down. Ish loves Burton flims but someone needs to die for the sin against Wonka. I love Willy Wonka but when you change it I have problems. Depp as Wonka, the Oompa loompas are not orange with green hair and sliver eye brows, geese some how turned into skoos, thats just what I know is wrong from the previews. Then again it's a different movie and I have issuses I need to fix.

The first "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" took some creative license. This is not a remake. This is "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory", meant to be closer to the book. Please read this.

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He certainly embodied a youth that people seem to loose touch with after a time.

I've only seen the previews, but...if this is true. Can I have my "inner child" removed surgically. Most likely through the use of some form of drill.

I just came back from seeing it.

First off, Dork has my favorite quote ever in the history of movies in her signature...

Secondly, I loved it. I loved it more than the first one, and it is my favorite movie that I have seen this year. And that beats Batman, which is saying something.

Johnny Depp was perfect for the role, and did it great. I loved him in it, and it was a great character.

Would I see it again? In a heart beat.

Finnally seeing it, I must say it was awesome. I really liked Burtons Willy wonka, making him into a kind of creepy sheltered character. Danny Elfman+ Tim Burton movie = Awesome. Mike Teavee's song was probably my favorite.

Other then that I don't have much else to add, great movie but Batman:Begins is still my top favorite.

Just a side comment. I see that this thread is announcing the Corpse Bride. Could we just keep this thread focused on Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and start a new thread for the Corpse Bride? People who've seen Corpse Bride (when it comes out) or wish to talk about it can do so in a fresh thread.

Every other movie has it's own thread I don't see why Charlie and the Corpse Bride shouldn't.




muchlove
-Dork

yeah... i still am interested in Charlie and teh chocolate factory. even when corpse bride will be out....
stick to Charlie. or merge this into a different thread. ONE for Tim Burton. ONE for Corpse bride. ONE for Charlie. that would fix it

Uhh. This thread was about Burton. That is, all his stuffs. Movies included. But If you want, I'll start a Corpse Bride thread.

At this point creating another thread for Charlie would require a mod. But even from the beginning of this thread most of the talk has been about Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. The thing is when you have a thread like this where you could theoretically talk about two films at once some people are only going to be interested in talking about one movie or another, in fact most people are. Maybe they've only seen one, or they don't care to see the other for whatever reason. Then you have basically two threads of conversation potentially going on in the same thread which of course makes some people uneasy and they don't want to wade through so many posts to read a post about the topic they came in to read about.

That being said, I do plan to try to see the Corpse Bride if I can but keeping the topics seperate seems a lot cleaner to me.


muchlove
-Dork

Rumor has it (over at IMDB.com's CatCF message board) that the DVD's due out November 8th.

According to my watch's date calendar that's 98 days from now.



muchlove
-Dork

p.s. pen1300, I'm glad you enjoyed by ranting ^_^

I've been lurking around the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory board that IMDB.com has up lately. I can't help it, I love this movie.

I guess all the raving Wilder fans have cleared out a bit, the discussions over there seem a little better today. Anywho, I actually found a perfectly coherent (and quite interesting) discussion just now about Depp's demented potrayal of Wonka.

You have to register with IMDB to see the thread, but it only takes a few minutes.

That a look. 'Willy Wonka the Demented Chocolatier'


muchlove
-Dork

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Originally posted by Dork Rumor has it (over at IMDB.com's CatCF message board) that the DVD's due out November 8th. According to my watch's date calendar that's 98 days from now. muchlove -Dork p.s. pen1300, I'm glad you enjoyed by ranting ^_^

Gees, not closer to Christmas? I could get Johnny for Christmas again!!! (I got Pirates for Christmas...whenever that last one was). I want Johnny for Christmas.

Nonetheless, I MUST OWN THIS MOVIE!

Thanks, Dork!

Oh, and I agree, the quote Dork has is one of the best in the movie

Later,
Pen1300

While we're waiting for the DVD/someone to kidnap to take to see the movie again here's some fanfiction.

I've long since given up looking for fanfiction. Esspecially for movies. It's all Mary Sues, and so and so's estranged daughter, and really really bad slash pairings. I'm borderline afriad of fanfiction these days. But someone over at imdb.com posted links to a few fanfictions and they're actually good. They're quite good. Some of the prose is quite enchanting even. The characters are for the most part wonderfully in character and there isn't a Mary Sue in sight.

"I like Grapes" by oi-oi-oi

"In Camelot" by Telanu

"Sometimes I get Scared" by Super Lizard

"The Art of Seduction?" by Devilish Kurumi

"The Lesser of Four Evils" by tenshi-no-fushigi

Yeah, me again.

In case anyone's interested here's what a Japanese google search on Charlie and the Chocolate Factory pulled up. And since I have no means to input kana and my katakana is simply atrocious this took quite a while to find.

If I find any nice fanart I'll be sure to bug you.


muchlove
-Dork

hahahaha... just realized my favorite quote in CATC is:
"Good Morning Starshine!"

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Miyamoto and the Chocolate Factory

This is awesome. And terrifying.

I just thought it was a cool find.

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Originally posted by Captain Maw hahahaha... just realized my favorite quote in CATC is: "Good Morning Starshine!"

That line was the one that made me laugh the loudest.