| Tickle Tickle | 07-15-2005 09:57 PM |
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| Originally posted by thebravest1 I still can't believe that they're remaking the original film. |
It's a remake of the book, not the old musical.
The Tim Burton Thread.("Charlie")
A review, of sorts. ^_^
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Burton is right up my alley. I don't really go for horror flicks, so I've mostly only the the movies of his that fall under the twisted fairytale category.
I loved Edward Scissorhands and Nightmare Before Christmas. And after those two the Wonka movie certainly didn't disappoint.
The original Wonka movie is a true American classic. You can't go wrong with Oompa Loompas and Gene Wilder in a top hat. But it was exactly those elements of the original that had me a bit apprehensive going into the new movie.
Nothing and no one can top Gene Wilder, he's a classic in his own right, the most the Burton movie can hope for is a new interpretation of Willy Wonka. I like Deep's Wonka much better. I don't think he himself is better than the Wilder Wonka but I prefer him. I like his psychology. Wonka is a crazy or evil character, depending on how you look at it, to begin with. Wilder's Wonka was methodical and meticulous, consciously and constantly aware of his odditites. He was a sort of Angel of Death for self-ish children, he himself a tad evil but having been given the mandate from powers unseen to deal out justice.
Johnny Deep's Willy Wonka on the other hand is a notably disturbed man and detached, a bit apathetic towards the sufferings of others, and a bit flitty. For this he is much more frightening than Wilder's Wonka. There were times during the movie, when Wonka was all alone with his visitors that I was almost terrified for them. Of course, Deep's Wonka is a very childlike character, he opens his mouth wide when he speaks and enunciates his words in an almost exagerated way. He gives the tour like a five year old showing a visitor his room. The Willy Wonka character's logic is childlike to begin with -a waterfall to mix cholcolate, squirels to crack nuts- but Deep brings out the absurdity of this logic and the insanity it belies in a few choice moments. One scene near the end of the movie highlights Wonka's unstable mind in a deliciously chilling moment
The Oompa Loompas, however; Burton did an alright job with, Burton's Oompa Loompas themselves can never even come close to their 1971 counterparts, the Oompa Loompas' songs though come frightfully close. They were a real delight to listen to. They're less fairy tale-like and more sophisticated with a more modern feel. Sounds in the movie throughout were wonderful, Danny Elfman did the soundtrack, afterall. My favorite sound though was when someone would break or bite into a piece of chocolate, it was a dull, thick, snap sound. Just lovely.
It's so late I'm just going to end now.
Oh, and I'm SO buying this movie when it comes out
muchlove
-Dork
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Burton is right up my alley. I don't really go for horror flicks, so I've mostly only the the movies of his that fall under the twisted fairytale category.
I loved Edward Scissorhands and Nightmare Before Christmas. And after those two the Wonka movie certainly didn't disappoint.
The original Wonka movie is a true American classic. You can't go wrong with Oompa Loompas and Gene Wilder in a top hat. But it was exactly those elements of the original that had me a bit apprehensive going into the new movie.
Nothing and no one can top Gene Wilder, he's a classic in his own right, the most the Burton movie can hope for is a new interpretation of Willy Wonka. I like Deep's Wonka much better. I don't think he himself is better than the Wilder Wonka but I prefer him. I like his psychology. Wonka is a crazy or evil character, depending on how you look at it, to begin with. Wilder's Wonka was methodical and meticulous, consciously and constantly aware of his odditites. He was a sort of Angel of Death for self-ish children, he himself a tad evil but having been given the mandate from powers unseen to deal out justice.
Johnny Deep's Willy Wonka on the other hand is a notably disturbed man and detached, a bit apathetic towards the sufferings of others, and a bit flitty. For this he is much more frightening than Wilder's Wonka. There were times during the movie, when Wonka was all alone with his visitors that I was almost terrified for them. Of course, Deep's Wonka is a very childlike character, he opens his mouth wide when he speaks and enunciates his words in an almost exagerated way. He gives the tour like a five year old showing a visitor his room. The Willy Wonka character's logic is childlike to begin with -a waterfall to mix cholcolate, squirels to crack nuts- but Deep brings out the absurdity of this logic and the insanity it belies in a few choice moments. One scene near the end of the movie highlights Wonka's unstable mind in a deliciously chilling moment
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| after the last child falls victim to Willy's toy devices he looks around, dazed, and asks Charlie and his grandfather, with all sincerity and concern, 'Where have the other children gone?' Probably my favorite scene in the film |
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| Charlie eventually endears himself to Wonka by recognizing where Wonka's logic is coming from. He doesn't share the same logic but in a moment of awed revelation he realizes where Wonka's coming from, and perhaps even recognizes that he's dealing with a mad man. In Burton's film that may be what saves Charlie; that he knows not to contridict Willy in his territory. |
The Oompa Loompas, however; Burton did an alright job with, Burton's Oompa Loompas themselves can never even come close to their 1971 counterparts, the Oompa Loompas' songs though come frightfully close. They were a real delight to listen to. They're less fairy tale-like and more sophisticated with a more modern feel. Sounds in the movie throughout were wonderful, Danny Elfman did the soundtrack, afterall. My favorite sound though was when someone would break or bite into a piece of chocolate, it was a dull, thick, snap sound. Just lovely.
It's so late I'm just going to end now.
Oh, and I'm SO buying this movie when it comes out
muchlove
-Dork
Well, the guy who wrote this version never even saw the old Wonka movie. Both movies are based on a book by Roald Dahl. According to the booklet in the soundtract both Wonka's introduction song and the Oompa Loompa are adaptations of poems in the book. Besides the old songs are copyright whoever wrote the music for that movie. They wouldn't go with the attitude of Tim Burton's interpretation anyway.
There seems to be this attitude with remakes* that if the second can't possibly be any better than the first. The first is elevated to a near sacred position. And if the second is any good whatsoever that it takes away from the first. But it's flawed logic. These are two seperate interpretations of the same book, their respective writers, producers, actors and directors each had seperate visions of Willy Wonka's magical factory. Specfically nothing can take away from Gene Wilder's devilish Wonka.
And that being said:
I'm listening to the soundtract right now ^_^ Does Looking Depp as Willy Wonka dissolve anybody else into a fit of giggles? I thought he was a tad goofy when I first saw him, but now I love the character, so now he's totally cute (as in, 'aw, I wanna hug him' but I don't because he's nuts @_@ )
muchlove
-Dork
*I know this film isn't a remake but it follows the same principle
p.s. I like when Wonka walked into the elevator 'I gotta watch where I park this thing'
There seems to be this attitude with remakes* that if the second can't possibly be any better than the first. The first is elevated to a near sacred position. And if the second is any good whatsoever that it takes away from the first. But it's flawed logic. These are two seperate interpretations of the same book, their respective writers, producers, actors and directors each had seperate visions of Willy Wonka's magical factory. Specfically nothing can take away from Gene Wilder's devilish Wonka.
And that being said:
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| Depp's Willy Wonka is not trying to off the kids, even though Wilder's probably was. I talked to this woman at Suncoast (I FINALLY FOUND ONE! It rocked!) who was a bit disappointed in the new Wonka movie because Depp's mannerisms weren't as ominous as Wilder's. I couldn't seem to convince her they weren't the same Wonka. You also can't expect a carbon copy recreation with remakes. It's not practical. That's absolutely no fun for the writers and directors involved. |
I'm listening to the soundtract right now ^_^ Does Looking Depp as Willy Wonka dissolve anybody else into a fit of giggles? I thought he was a tad goofy when I first saw him, but now I love the character, so now he's totally cute (as in, 'aw, I wanna hug him' but I don't because he's nuts @_@ )
muchlove
-Dork
*I know this film isn't a remake but it follows the same principle
p.s. I like when Wonka walked into the elevator 'I gotta watch where I park this thing'
I've seen both version, they're quite different, and the ending to it is quite different and in fact more heart-warming than Wilder's version.
My friend and I have been pretty obsessed with the movie since we've seen it that we've gone out trying to intimidate Depp's Wonka character. We really think he's that awesome.
My friend and I have been pretty obsessed with the movie since we've seen it that we've gone out trying to intimidate Depp's Wonka character. We really think he's that awesome.
I applaud Tim Burton. He did a wonderful job.
I noticed that too. It made me laugh a bit.
When the little dolls in the beginning began singing, I thought, "OMG, Disneyland!"
I liked the fact that they actually went into Wonka's past to show why he was so out of touch. And the Oompa Loompas were great.
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| Originally posted by Madrona And did anyone see the size of those scissors? Callback I say! |
I noticed that too. It made me laugh a bit.
When the little dolls in the beginning began singing, I thought, "OMG, Disneyland!"
I liked the fact that they actually went into Wonka's past to show why he was so out of touch. And the Oompa Loompas were great.
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| A couple of my favorite things in the movie Whipped cream 
"Why do you need hair cream?" "To hold in moisture." 
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I bought the book at Target tonight. I'm four chapters in. It's surprising how much of the dialogue from the Burton movie was taken directly from the book. Mostly though, I bought it to give me something to do while waiting to go see it again hopefully tomorrow night.
My mom and I saw it the first time while my dad was out of town. Surprisingly neither of them had seen the Wilder version. So we finished that up tonight. Dad loved it, Mom -total Depp fangirl- ragged on it pretty hard. With any luck we'll see the Burton movie again tomorrow night. I haven't seen a movie twice in the theatres since. . . what was it? . . . probably, maybe, yes. . . Forest Gump. And we all remember how that one stayed in the theatres for a year.
muchlove
-Dork
"Oh, thank heavens, he's completely unharmed"
My mom and I saw it the first time while my dad was out of town. Surprisingly neither of them had seen the Wilder version. So we finished that up tonight. Dad loved it, Mom -total Depp fangirl- ragged on it pretty hard. With any luck we'll see the Burton movie again tomorrow night. I haven't seen a movie twice in the theatres since. . . what was it? . . . probably, maybe, yes. . . Forest Gump. And we all remember how that one stayed in the theatres for a year.
muchlove
-Dork
"Oh, thank heavens, he's completely unharmed"
Is it just me or does Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka look/act a lot like Count D from Pet Shop of Horrors....? 
Anyway, I saw it last weekend (i think..) and it was ok... I personally think the first movie was a lot better. I did like how they give Wonka's background and childhood... haha, I loved those braces. One of Charlie's grandmas was crazy. She was the best part of this movie. "I like grapes!" and "You smell like peanuts!" However, it did have a lot of flaws. I didn't like these oompa-loompas at all. It was only one guy, and they basically like, copied and pasted him over and over... I thought this wasn't a very good idea at all... 
The TV kid seemed a lot bitchier in this one too, and I didn't like the songs as much. Also, the first one exposed Charlie's flaws as a character, made him more realistic (like when he and his grandfather were in that bubble room place, and when he was considering the spy's offer of the Gobstoppers), but in this movie Willy Wonka basically said "wow, you're the last one left, you haven't screwed up so far, so you get my entire chocolate factory."
The best part about seeing this movie was the trailor for Corpse Bride. I can't wait for that one!
Anyway, I saw it last weekend (i think..) and it was ok... I personally think the first movie was a lot better. I did like how they give Wonka's background and childhood... haha, I loved those braces. One of Charlie's grandmas was crazy. She was the best part of this movie. "I like grapes!" and "You smell like peanuts!" However, it did have a lot of flaws. I didn't like these oompa-loompas at all. It was only one guy, and they basically like, copied and pasted him over and over... I thought this wasn't a very good idea at all...
The TV kid seemed a lot bitchier in this one too, and I didn't like the songs as much. Also, the first one exposed Charlie's flaws as a character, made him more realistic (like when he and his grandfather were in that bubble room place, and when he was considering the spy's offer of the Gobstoppers), but in this movie Willy Wonka basically said "wow, you're the last one left, you haven't screwed up so far, so you get my entire chocolate factory." The best part about seeing this movie was the trailor for Corpse Bride. I can't wait for that one!