What's the archetype's secret?

well to me the original archetype seemed very generic and non specialized, and the leviathan and behemoth archetypes both looked to me like they were best suited for digging.

Strange though in the flashbacks there were many O's fighting many Leviathan archetypes.

For whatever it may be worth, I think that there exists a certain subset of people/androids within the Paradigm scenario that have an innate desire to find out the mystery of the city. At the same time, however, everyone seems to have an innate fear of going underground to find out the truth.

Perhaps the reason for all the digging giant robots is that people in previous resets or prior to the loop sequence (if there existed such a time) built them to find out the truth.

But it is a forbidden truth and one which results in a reset of the world every time it is approached by any character. Thus, the fear of the underground may correspond somewhat to the idea of the dwarves' digging too deep in the Lord of the Rings books. Dorothy seems to have had an unconscious realization of this which is why she fears these older robots who dwell underground.

Ultimately, I don't think the creators of the show have decided what the grand scheme of things is yet. There are multiple directions it could take (as evidenced by the huge numbers of theories on this site). I just thought I'd chime in since I haven't been posting much on PC for a while.

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I would like to add a question to my post: there is something which was not mentionned by anybody in that forum. Even not by me. In the episode 4, the archetype works alone, I mean WITHOUT PILOT !!! How does he do? Big O works because Roger uses it. It is the same functionnality which hits the other megadeuses. HOWEVER, I remember the episode 12, when Big Duo was so damaged that it 'abandoned' Schwarzwald, and this one said 'Not again!! ( why did he say that? )You don't need a master [to control you]'

TO SUMMERIZE : HOW DO THE MEGADEUSES WORK ALONE, AND OTHER ONES WHICH WORK BY PILOTS ?

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Well, Divine Machines (The Bigs, Archetype, Leviathan and Behemoth) are surely "alive" and don't need really a pilot to move and operate. However, Bigs can allows someone to let him take control of theirselves. This someone was intended like "Dominus". WE DON'T KNOW if Roger is the Megadeuses Dominus or only Big O Dominus (quotes changes from act 21 to act 22!!) but he's indeed a man that can freely operate his Big. The others supposed to be are Alex and Schwtartzwald. In both cases, however, their megadeuses don't rembember past at all, so can't totally agree they at role of Dominus.
Schwartz say "not again" probably because it was not the first time that Duo goes out of control.
It seems that every Divine Machine tries to reach Dorothy because Dorothy has a memory key. This happens with Dorothy One, Archetype, Duo, Fau and Leviathan.

well aren't lone megadei considered incomplete and they search for a dominus.

So Archetype was looking for seomthing. (dorothy).

Dagon was also on its own looking for its master.

etc....

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Schwartz say "not again" probably because it was not the first time that Duo goes out of control.

Actually, I think he was just reffering to what happened with Archetype.

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Originally posted by Stagehand quote: Schwartz say "not again" probably because it was not the first time that Duo goes out of control. Actually, I think he was just reffering to what happened with Archetype.

...It can be

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Originally posted by Kappei Jin quote: Originally posted by Stagehand quote: Schwartz say "not again" probably because it was not the first time that Duo goes out of control. Actually, I think he was just reffering to what happened with Archetype. ...It can be

I really think he was reffering to the archetype because he acted so surprised when big duo did it. Was big duo just a restored form of the archetype?

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Originally posted by SmothPocket quote: Originally posted by Kappei Jin quote: Originally posted by Stagehand quote: Schwartz say "not again" probably because it was not the first time that Duo goes out of control. Actually, I think he was just reffering to what happened with Archetype. ...It can be I really think he was reffering to the archetype because he acted so surprised when big duo did it. Was big duo just a restored form of the archetype?

No, the Big-Archetype and true Bigs are actually fairly different in terms of structure. True Bigs are half again as large and have the oversized forearms that make them so distinct.

I think he was so surprised because for the second time in a very short period, a Megadeus he was observing/using went berserk. This made him wonder "do we control them or do they control us."

He began to wonder if he was in charge at all, or if he had simply been used by those two Megadeuses to complete some ancient, forgotten agenda of theirs (Duo's at least seems roughly the same as his own, destruction of Paradigm Central and the Domes, but it still got him wondering).

Also, I wonder if when Roger called Leviathan 17 another "Archetype" he was wondering less of its nature as a war machine (true combat unit or prototype) and more of its nature as a being. He was perhaps wondering "are you another one like that Archetype", as in a crazed machine that sought only to destroy and to rape Dorothy's mind for whatever it was looking for.

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Originally posted by BigPrime quote: Originally posted by SmothPocket quote: Originally posted by Kappei Jin quote: Originally posted by Stagehand quote: Schwartz say "not again" probably because it was not the first time that Duo goes out of control. Actually, I think he was just reffering to what happened with Archetype. ...It can be I really think he was reffering to the archetype because he acted so surprised when big duo did it. Was big duo just a restored form of the archetype? No, the Big-Archetype and true Bigs are actually fairly different in terms of structure. True Bigs are half again as large and have the oversized forearms that make them so distinct. I think he was so surprised because for the second time in a very short period, a Megadeus he was observing/using went berserk. This made him wonder "do we control them or do they control us." He began to wonder if he was in charge at all, or if he had simply been used by those two Megadeuses to complete some ancient, forgotten agenda of theirs (Duo's at least seems roughly the same as his own, destruction of Paradigm Central and the Domes, but it still got him wondering). Also, I wonder if when Roger called Leviathan 17 another "Archetype" he was wondering less of its nature as a war machine (true combat unit or prototype) and more of its nature as a being. He was perhaps wondering "are you another one like that Archetype", as in a crazed machine that sought only to destroy and to rape Dorothy's mind for whatever it was looking for.

I think that the archetype had the same had as duo. plus the forearems that make them so distinct could just be an outer shell type part.

I think that the archetype was a guard for whatever was down in the subway, i.e. the fear that roger experianced. The real secret was whatever was in the room, perhaps the buildings had some secret? and since it was just a guard, not a soldier megadeus, a pilot and un neccecary armor wasnt included. Does anyone follow me?

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Originally posted by cudailike I think that the archetype was a guard for whatever was down in the subway, i.e. the fear that roger experianced. The real secret was whatever was in the room, perhaps the buildings had some secret? and since it was just a guard, not a soldier megadeus, a pilot and un neccecary armor wasnt included. Does anyone follow me?

Well, that kinda makes me think ... whatelse was down there. The only thing that comes to mind was the set that we see later with Angel, Gordon, Vera and Roger. But is there something else down there?

And was it implied that there were buildings down there?

There was something else down there. Quite a lot of things actually. Basement 666, Big Venus, Behemoth, the cogs, who knows what else?

from www.dictionary.com

ar·che·type
n.

1. An original model or type after which other similar things are patterned; a prototype: “‘Frankenstein’... ‘Dracula’... ‘Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde’... the archetypes that have influenced all subsequent horror stories” (New York Times).
   
2. An ideal example of a type; quintessence: an archetype of the successful entrepreneur.
   
3. In Jungian psychology, an inherited pattern of thought or symbolic imagery derived from the past collective experience and present in the individual unconscious.
   

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