Rock music....is there such a thing anymore?

Green_Bird 11-13-2004 03:25 PM
Okay another discussion topic. Is there Rock music anymore? In that I mean accual rock music, Guitars, bass, drums......not like pop crap that they call rock but it is nothing more then posers?

Where has it gone? Where are the good bands like those of the 70s, 80s and early 90s? Why has it fadded away into an under ground or have sold out? There are many other questions about the topic....But why must Rock music be assoisated with stuff like Yellow Card or Other bands along those lines? (Sorry sorry sorry to people who like them....I'm trying to make a point here!!!)

All bands that have been coming out lately out of the woodwork if you will. ALL SOUND ALIKE! There is no indaviguality with them. the singing, guitar playing, and the bass and drums are all alike with these bands! Why? Because peoples minds are simple. Some people don't want to think....they basicly will take anyting. So basicly they come out with this prosessed garbage to please the masses....Or maybe just the deigraphic that they were trying to hook in the first place....

I'm not saying all people are like this.....I'm just saying the majority of people out there are. Music reprisents self in a way. But what I think is most of the people that are in to the prosessed stuff, are trying to hard to be what they are not....

I grew up on my parents lisioning to stuff like Deep Purple, Little Feet, Waren Zevon, Pink Floyd, Queen, The Doors, Van Hallen and the Beattles just to name a few. As I grew older I started liking stuff like Metallica, Iron Maden, Tool/APC, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Pearl jam, Rob zombie, Green day, Lacuna Coil, Colective soul, and Foo Fighters, to name a few there too. But I still am sticking to real rock. Now don't get me wrong...I have also started to like some rap, anime/J-pop, Countrey even! I'm Broding my harizions....but Rock music will always be my favorite....When some one like doesn't know the classic bands....it makes me hurt inside...espsualy the beattles and soundgarden!!!!

But I don't see how people can stand the new stuff, Every band sounding alike! Then there are the posers....trying to copy the formula of bands that came before them, like lets say Alter Bridge (Creed with a new lead singer) ripped off Soundgarden....How can they do that I mean I can go out and pick the songs that sound like them and compare them...they also fall into the cadigory of Crap rock.

It seems like Crap Rock as I like to call it...is the new Grunge...killing off the music that came before.....But no where anear the apeal that grunge had.....grunge was good...this is not.

What we basicly need now is some one that comes out....that is diffrent and not a poser band. But that might never come seeing as how the mighty have fallen....in that I mean U2....they're also clones now. Have you herd Vertigo....it sounds like every thing out there now! Then you have Ted Nugent doing Buger King ads, Ozzy doing reality and things that you wouldn't think of him doing! Metallica liking Avril of all people (Yeah I remembered it after I saw the least metal moments).....When will rock regain it's crown!? When some one who accualy is diffrent comes out....I hope that'll be soon.....

Sorry I got carried away...but what are your views on this topic? Please rant away, but no attacking people! Let's keep this a fair and clean disscussion topic. Thanks.

DISCLAMER: THE VIEWS EXSPRESSED IN THIS POST ARE THOSE OF GREEN_BIRD. THEY DO NOT REFLECT PARADIGM CITY OR IT'S MEMBERS. GREEN_BIRD MEANS NO OFFENCE WITH THIS POST AND HOPES THAT SHE OFFENDED NO ONE'S TASTES. SHE WAS ONLY TRYING TO MAKE A POINT. I WILL GIVE YOU A TON OF SORRIES....SORRY SORRY SORRY X10,000,000. PLEASE DON'T HATE ME....THIS SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME....
Exhale Saga 11-13-2004 04:49 PM
Yes, I agree with every point you made. I think the worst genere of music by far would be Nu-Metal. Some examples of Nu-Metal would be Slipknot, KoRn, P.O.D., ect.. It annoys me even more that people go around saying these bands are metal! No, Nu-Metal is a type of alternative rock! And it seems that it is nothing but a bunch of talentless monkies who know how to scream.

Next is punk-rock. Well, it was good (I'm not a fan of it, but at least I could call it true rock.) back in the 70's and 80's... Now it's teenagers who haven't let their voice fully develop, guitar players who probably only know one chord, and drummers who can meaninglessly pound away. I think the exaomle that I can set apart from this is Yellowcard. They can play the violin, at least. Tongue Oh, god... and I can't listen to their lyrics without crying.

Good Charlotte:
Christina wouldn't wanna meet her
She hates you Britney so you better run for cover
My girl's a hot girl
A riot girl and she's angry at the world

Emergency call 911,
She's pissed off at everyone
Police, Rescue, FBI she wants a riot, she wants a riot


Now let's look at some good lyrics.

Iron Maiden:

Unchain the colours before my eyes,
Yesterday's sorrows, tomorrow's white lies.
Scan the horizon, the clouds take me higher,
I shall return from out of fire.


See? Simple, but they struck an emotion.

Rap seems to be the most mainstream genere at my school. I can't tell you how annoyed I was when somebody asked me if Metallica was rap (I was wearing a Master of Puppets t-shirt.) As I've said before many, many times... Back in the 80's rap was meant to tell a story with a catchy beat in the background, but it evolved into something different. Now it seems to be guys talking a sex and drugs with people pounding on electric drums in the background.

Like you when I was younger I listened to bands like The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd. Bands from the 60's and 70's. Well, now I have about the same music tastes as you. Metallica, Iron Maiden, Dream Theater, and Deep Purple! Big Grin

About U2. Yes, I have heard Vertigo. It sucks that they've gone mainstream, too. They used to be a band that was constantly changing styles. They had this one album with a really, really wierd sound that critics hated. Another band who had their downfall was Metallica. Well, they were awsome during Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning, and Master of Puppets. ...And Justice For All was okay, but the only only song I loved was One. Then they began to sell out after The Black Albums. My guess is they were trying to create a huge scene like The Beatles did with The White Album. Well, they didn't. In my opnion at least. The critics seemed to love it, though. From then on they became worse and worse.

When will rock regain it's crown again? When a new rock band hits the scene and people realize what they're listening to is crap. I'd like to hear a band these days that sounds like 80's metal. The golden era of music...

See ya,
Exhale Saga
Mike 11-13-2004 04:56 PM
One of the very few memories I have of being really little was watching Bon Jovi on MTV with my mom when I was like 4 years old. So I love that kinda stuff.

But think about it, how many MASSIVELY crappy songs were there in past decades that were forgotten, just leaving us with the few shining gems we remember today?

...yeah, I can't stand Slipknot either. How about you SING instead of just making your throat bleed?
Asirt 11-13-2004 05:24 PM
quote:
How about you SING instead of just making your throat bleed?


Heh, some artists just scream so loud, that it's no longer listenable.
YZEtc 11-13-2004 06:39 PM
I basically feel similiarly to you about modern popular music, Green_Bird, at least up until the part where you wrote that you don't mind giving other categories of music like Country (*starts feeling neaseous*) and Rap (*puts hand over mouth and runs to the bathroom*) a try; I like rock from either my days as a youngster, the decade before that, or anything that might come out these days that does a good job of possessing those same qualities - period.
Unfortunately, there is no new stuff like that around that I'm really aware of, like you point out.
(For the record, I like stuff from 1965-1982-or-so. After that, guitar tones started changing for the worse and I really questioned the authenticity of the label Rock on most of the stuff coming out.)

The qualities that I enjoy are an honest-to-gosh catchy hook (that isn't a sample from somebody else's song), an actual melody, and a guitar tone that doesn't simply sound like either the fuzzy distortion is piled on to cover the fact that So-And-So from What's-Their-Name can't really play anything too complicated, or the guitar player's effects pedal broke just before they recorded the song and they ended up with something that wouldn't even turn anybody's head down at the Old Folk's Home.
And Rap/R&B?
Throw it all in the trash and haul it far, far away, please.

Although I'm picky on what I like, I also am willing to give a new song that is labeled Rock a go, and if I like what I hear, I'll immediately go buy the CD because I'll want to play it back over and over, learning this new song inside and out and basically enjoying it.
To me, that's the highest compliment I can give.
Unfortunately, I can't remember the last time I did that for (or even said that I wanted to hear for a second time) a song on today's radio.

Edit:
The White Stripes are good, I might add, at least on the CD of the same title Wink .
Dude Love 11-13-2004 08:48 PM
I'm of a similar opinion, Green_Bird. I, too, grew up on the "Classics" of Rock (Beatles, Eagles, Led Zep, Rolling Stones, Grateful Dead, Neil Young, Allman Brothers, Queen, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, Elton John, Billy Joel, and The Who, to name a few-- er, I mean many). Anyway, each of these artists is very distinct. It is quite difficult to confuse them for each other. Each provided his or her (wow, I can't find a single woman in that bunch, though. Perhaps Freddie Mercury...) own tastes, own methods, and overalll own sound. Nowadays in rock, I generally find conversations going like this:

A: Hey, man, is this Yellow Card?
B: No, man, it's the White Stripes.
A: Oh. Good stuff.

Yeah, that's sorta sad in my opinion.

Now, to ground my opinion, I'd like to point out that I enjoy Eminem (many of his tracks are quite clever, and his videos even more so). That's about it, though. He's the only rapper out there with his own style (And doesn't comprive solely of "Where are all my b---hes and hos?"). Yeah, so my main point is, I like individuality in music.

*Plays Soundtrack to OuaTiA (Which is a full orchestra sound track)*
Ace of Spades 11-13-2004 09:32 PM
You bring up a good topic Green Bird, since history is filled with cheap immitations we can't help but just watch. The punk rock of today such as Good Charlotte, Linkin' Park ETC. want me to forcefully eject bowel content on them and their fans. On the other hand people/groups such as Ozzy, Alice in Chains and Pantera. I can't view them selling out or becoming something phonie.
Pygmalion 11-13-2004 10:31 PM
I read an interview with "Weird" Al Yankovich, where he suggested that one of the things that keeps popular music fresh is the cross-fertilization between the different genres. By isolating musical genres on the radio, perhaps this crossover is not happening, and that is why the music seems so stale.

Pygmalion
Dude Love 11-13-2004 11:53 PM
Well, also, that there are basically only 3 forms of music out there right now, and they're hardly compatible. Those three genres would be Punk, Rap, and Rock (arguably, this is Punk Rock, making only 2 genres). And, I doubt that you're going to have a Punk Rap Ballad any time soon. (I'll certainly be impressed).
Travis Bickle 11-14-2004 12:21 AM
Rock has evolved, and for the worse. It has fallen down the stairway to heaven, rolled through strawberry fields, past aqualung, lucy in the sky, happy jack, Ruby Tues...aw, hell, you get the picture.

Somehow, Rock had protected sex with Lucifer and the condom broke, somehow spewing fourth rap metal, emo, hardcore, and other forms of crap that does not belong in this world. Who wants someone rapping, whining or screaming into a mic while rock music is going on in the background? It isn't music! It's pure garbage!

These days, I find myself listening to indie bands and/or lesser known bands (Ted Leo, Mars Volta, The New Pornographers, W.I.F.S., etc...), overseas bands (Blur, Him, Dimmu Borgir, Radiohead, The Pillows, etc...) and the classics (the beatles, the allman brothers, clapton, Velvet Underground, zepplin, rolling stones, and jethro tull). Anything else just plain sucks.
Zola 11-14-2004 12:31 AM
I have to admit that this thread is giving me a laugh.

We had *exactly* the same kinds of discussions as teens when I grew up about how rock was going to hell and how everything was just "too commercial" and so on.

It's really a simple thing. Most of us get "stuck" at a certain musical era, and we always prefer music like that. Hence the perennial popularity of "Oldies" stations Wink

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Next thing you know, you kids will be reminiscing about the "good old days" back when you had to take a bus to school first thing in the morning and how today's teens have it easy because they can get online for their lessons. Big Grin
Kittie heavenly6 11-14-2004 12:36 AM
And for the Record, someone said that "Nu Metal is Alternative"

No. Alternative is anything not mainstream. Nu Metal was very Main Stream. but it's now being called Metal Core for some reason. Labels are BS, and are made up by magazine writers, who generally know jack sh** as far as music is concerned anyways.
BethMcBeth 11-14-2004 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by Pygmalion
I read an interview with "Weird" Al Yankovich, where he suggested that one of the things that keeps popular music fresh is the cross-fertilization between the different genres. By isolating musical genres on the radio, perhaps this crossover is not happening, and that is why the music seems so stale.

Pygmalion



Yes I feel that this is probably the biggest problem if they make it more appercaitve to a wider range of listeners they could probably do better.
Spooky 11-14-2004 01:51 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zola
It's really a simple thing. Most of us get "stuck" at a certain musical era, and we always prefer music like that. Hence the perennial popularity of "Oldies" stations Wink



I think you've touched on a great point here. Simply because I find myself constantly flipping through radio stations, only to land on the "Classic Rock" station...and then mutter something how I'm "stuck in the early '90's" music-wise.

I haven't really like anything new, music-wise past 1995 or so, with a few exceptions (and only a very tiny percentage of those bands ever find their way onto mainstream radio). Although what I find disturbing is hearing music that I remember being new on an "old school" programming line-up. Makes me feel older than I am Crying


Latah Wink
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Kittie heavenly6 11-14-2004 02:01 AM
I definetley agree with that. Most of the music I listen to is 80s-to-Mid-90s just for the fact that that's what got me in to music. (That and the strong emotional connection to alot of that music)
Exhale Saga 11-14-2004 07:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Grunger Kittie Version 1
And for the Record, someone said that "Nu Metal is Alternative"

No. Alternative is anything not mainstream. Nu Metal was very Main Stream. but it's now being called Metal Core for some reason. Labels are BS, and are made up by magazine writers, who generally know jack sh** as far as music is concerned anyways.


That was me... Well, it isn't metal, anyway. How about I just call it rock, then?

See ya,
Exhale Saga
Kittie heavenly6 11-14-2004 07:47 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Exhale Saga
quote:
Originally posted by Grunger Kittie Version 1
And for the Record, someone said that "Nu Metal is Alternative"

No. Alternative is anything not mainstream. Nu Metal was very Main Stream. but it's now being called Metal Core for some reason. Labels are BS, and are made up by magazine writers, who generally know jack sh** as far as music is concerned anyways.


That was me... Well, it isn't metal, anyway. How about I just call it rock, then?

See ya,
Exhale Saga


I'd say it's Metal-Esque. But in my mind Thrash is what Metal is. Stuff like Anthrax, Slayer, Megadeth etc. But that's just me.

and as for that last part, don't make me quote Billy Joel on you Wink
evanASF27 11-14-2004 02:11 PM
this is why I don't like the vast majority of modern music or "popular music". There is no soul, no individuality in the songs. They sound so much alike that it ain't even funny Neutral

If you took an elvis song and compared it to a Beatles song...you know the difference between the two imediately...and even people in the 50's-60's-70's-etc that copied songs already done (like "California Dreamin")...you can tell the difference between the groups. When listening to music at a party, I hear one song after another and after 15 songs I STILL think it's only one band...but no it's 15 different bands!! O_O





(Like Green Bird, this is just my own opinion...just like my thread a while back here ranted about how kids nowadays don't know classics like Pink Panther, John Williams, etc)
Asirt 11-14-2004 02:25 PM
quote:
Originally posted by evanASF27
this is why I don't like the vast majority of modern music or "popular music". There is no soul, no individuality in the songs. They sound so much alike that it ain't even funny Neutral

If you took an elvis song and compared it to a Beatles song...you know the difference between the two imediately...and even people in the 50's-60's-70's-etc that copied songs already done (like "California Dreamin")...you can tell the difference between the groups. When listening to music at a party, I hear one song after another and after 15 songs I STILL think it's only one band...but no it's 15 different bands!! O_O


Sometimes, songs can be similar in terms of lyrics, or in the background music as well. It's quite upsetting to see music turn out like this. I'm sure there are groups out there that are very good, but are not mainstream. This happens a lot for some reason.
dtk91 10-29-2005 01:51 AM
Exhale Saga mentioned that KoRn is a screaming band.... When I've really never heard them scream.. Confused this bugs me... can anyone agree with me on this? and also I think Korn has a definite sound to them. They arnt a band that copied other bands and took their sound.... They have their own sound and write their own music. KoRn is completely differnet from Slipknot too... how dare you put them togther. (There's a big rivalry between Korn and Slipknot fans at our school.) forgive me for being so critical about this but it just bothers me.