Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith *warning, may contain spoilers*

Mike 04-27-2005 04:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Zopwx2
I don't claim to know alot about starwars but does it seem to anyone else that they are cramming too much history in too short a time?

People act like jedis are just myths in A new hope but we know they were all over the place like 20 years ago. (assuming luke is born at the end of sith)

Or that this whole clone war bussiness came up and went way too fast.

The originals didnt really have a super heavy plott: Good Guys vs Evil Empire.

I dunno....

Yeah, I noticed that, too. Then again, all the Jedi were eliminated quickly, and then the Empire probably changed history like the Soviet Union did. Propaganda can be powerful.

About Anakin starting older, sure there would be enough time for him to develop. Just shorten the time between TPM and AOTC.
Mugiwara Luffy 04-27-2005 05:32 PM
Just a presumption, but maybe the outer worlds, such as Tatooine, don't know much about Jedi or the Clone Wars because they are so far from the center of attention?

But then again, I don't remember where Geonosis was in the galaxy. I think it may have been on the outer regions too, which makes my whole theory debunked.

Wouldn't it be awesome if ROTS somehow made the first two movies fit perfectly and then everything makes sense and all is right with the world? Yeah, I know I'm dreaming...
Lupin IV 04-27-2005 05:33 PM
Jedi are thought to have been completely wiped out in ANH.
StevieV019 04-28-2005 08:32 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zopwx2
I don't claim to know alot about starwars but does it seem to anyone else that they are cramming too much history in too short a time?

People act like jedis are just myths in A new hope but we know they were all over the place like 20 years ago. (assuming luke is born at the end of sith)

Or that this whole clone war bussiness came up and went way too fast.

The originals didnt really have a super heavy plott: Good Guys vs Evil Empire.

I dunno....


Thats the thing....in the Star Wars original trilogy, there are no Jedi and the galaxy has been ruled by a malevolent empire. The "Golden Age" of greatness was a time when the Jedi did exist and were a noble order of knights, so to speak. They are, to some extent, mythological because they dont exist, they've been wiped out. Those that do remember the Jedi remember them as trustworthy, upstanding, and talented. Remember, the Jedi WERE juggernauts on the battlefield. They did hold wisdom and knowledge that the people appreciated and looked up to for guidance. They were the "Knights of the Round Table" of their galaxy.

The viewers know that the Jedi existed 20 years ago, the galaxy of Star Wars only knows of stories that happened "years ago" or 20 years ago. They havent seen a Jedi, but they know that a Jedi is this spectacularly impressive individual. Remember, only 4 force users exist in the galaxy in the original trilogy: The Emperor, Darth Vader, Yoda, and Obi-Wan Kenobi. And only 2 actually "exist"...Obi-Wan and Yoda are in hiding. And who actually has daily contact with the Emperor and Vader other than the Imperial Army and Navy? The galaxy inhabitants only really deal with the Stormtroopers and thus, they dont know what this mystical force is or the ones that use it, the Jedi.

The hard part about the movies is this: the storyline is very continuous and meshes well from movie to movie. But the viewer has to be aware of the years that do indeed pass between them. Remember, its 20 years between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope. Its 5 years between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith (I believe, but am not quite sure). And its almost 10 years between The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. You're forgetting that the Clone Wars is a long war that at the end of has
spoiler (highlight to read):
Palpatine established as the Emperor.


Lucas is cramming a lot of history into 6 movies, but its enough history to keep the series fresh and intriguing. We met Anakin when he was 8-10 years old in Phantom Menace...then in Attack of the Clones, he's 18-20, and then at the end of Revenge of the Sith he's around 25-27 or so. So, the first three movies take place over a 15 year period, and the Clone Wars are the majority of that period. So the Clone Wars is a long event that is prevalent in the Star Wars universe. As seen by Luke's reaction when Obi-Wan mentions he fought in them during A New Hope.

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Just a presumption, but maybe the outer worlds, such as Tatooine, don't know much about Jedi or the Clone Wars because they are so far from the center of attention?


This is a very good presumption. Remember, the heart of the Empire and Old Republic is Coruscant, said to be the "center of existence". The Jedi Temple was there, the Galactic Senate, the Emperor's residence, etc. etc. The rest of the "Inner Rim" worlds are close to the center, and they are more aware of the history of the Jedi and galaxy. Remember, Bespin (Cloud City) from Empire Strikes Back is way out in the Outer Rim, as is Hoth, Endor, Tatooine, etc. etc. These places are so far removed from Coruscant and the Inner Rim that they are pretty much outpost planets that govern themselves. These worlds are independent of the grip of the Empire, to some extent. After Han was frozen in carbonite, Lando Calrissian mentioned that the deal was being altered, and Vader mentioned leaving a garrison behind. Calrissian already realizes his facility is an outpost (explained during his conversation with Han, Leia, Chewie, etc. as Lando leads them to the dining hall wear Vader and Boba Fett ambush them), independent of the Empire. He wants to keep it that way, and thus does not fight or argue with Vader over the specifics of him handing over Han to the Empire.

Long winded, I know...but thats a basic explanation behind things...The Inner Rim is more enchanted with the history and the legacy of the Jedi. The Outer Rim is like the lawless west of the United States during the 1800's, its largely just a "territory" that the Empire possesses, but there isnt any governance going on out there.

I think Revenge of the Sith will make the first 2 prequel movies make sense. Wait for it to come out and then analyze it and it should make sense.
Zopwx2 05-01-2005 02:02 PM
Hey the way things are turning out, I may just see it midnight on the 18th/19th with some star wars nerd buddies of mine.

And We'll go all out nerd and wait in line all day playing star wars risk and watching the OT on dvd.
ravenlore 05-01-2005 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by GAT-X105
I was really hoping to not see Vader at all in Episode 3.
Because think about it. If we see Anakin turning into Vader, then the significance of "I am your father" is lost.

That, and, the first time we see Vader in ANH is friggin' badass. The door gets blown up, and out walks this positively evil looking 7 foot tall monster in armor whose voice could make you break down and cry for your mommy. It loses some of its effect when you've already seen his badassitude.


it also loses effect when Vader is now evil sexy.
i mean, come on, admit it...Hayden Christensen...gets evil...becomes Vader. hot. and wrong. and detracts from Vader being the ultimate in "crying for your mommy" evil he once was.

they sexed up Vader!!!
Mike 05-03-2005 11:47 PM
I got the Cross-Section book. Lots of cool spoilerific stuff in here.

spoiler (highlight to read):
The Invisible Hand, the Separatist flagship, looks really badass. It's a definite ass-kicker. And it was built by Quarren!

The Republic Star Destroyer in the book isn't a Victory, although Victory ships are mentioned.

There's a new Clone fighter that looks like a beefier X-Wing.

The new Jedi Fighters look like TIEs.

There's a few new droid fighters and the old kind from TPM are called Vultures.

The Separatist warships are really cool-looking. Mostly hollow because they're full of droids.

Juggernauts! Big honkin' 10-wheeled monstrosities from novels and stuff are in the battle on Kashyyyk. So are little things that are like early AT-STs.
Wingnut 05-04-2005 06:12 AM
quote:
Originally posted by GAT-X105
I got the Cross-Section book. Lots of cool spoilerific stuff in here.

spoiler (highlight to read):
Juggernauts! Big honkin' 10-wheeled monstrosities from novels and stuff are in the battle on Kashyyyk. So are little things that are like early AT-STs.

Both of which have been used/mentioned in the expanded universe of Star Wars. The little things are called AT-PTs All Terrain Personal Transport.
Mike 05-04-2005 10:36 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Wingnut
quote:
Originally posted by GAT-X105
I got the Cross-Section book. Lots of cool spoilerific stuff in here.

spoiler (highlight to read):
Juggernauts! Big honkin' 10-wheeled monstrosities from novels and stuff are in the battle on Kashyyyk. So are little things that are like early AT-STs.

Both of which have been used/mentioned in the expanded universe of Star Wars. The little things are called AT-PTs All Terrain Personal Transport.


spoiler (highlight to read):
No, these aren't AT-PTs. They're open and one-man. It's called an AT-RT. It doesn't say how big it is, but it looks like it's only 1.5 to 2 times the size of the guy riding it.
Captain Maw 05-04-2005 02:09 PM
uhhh, pics anyone? they look really similar, some of them are.
i know what the AT-AT, AT-PT, AT-ST are. i dunno about the AT-RT though. anyone got a pic?
Mike 05-04-2005 02:27 PM
Warning, big picture. Also a spoiler.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/r...girlywalker.jpg

Also, I watched Phantom Menace today. It's actually not all that bad. The only weak points are a bunch of little things with Jar-Jar which were supossed to be funny but come off as annoying. Jake Lloyd's acting, too, is awful. He shouldn't have been 9 years old, instead they should have made Anakin around the same age as Padme.

But aside from those, it's pretty good. I was trying to keep the mindset of "I've never seen any of the movies before" and it worked well.
Wingnut 05-04-2005 06:54 PM
Girly Walker? Anime Smile I suppose being exposed to small arms fire like that would suck rather badly. Give me a speeder bike like on Endor over that thing, at least those have speed as a defence.
Shaoblane 05-04-2005 07:12 PM
Okay, I need some help here.

I already got my ticket. (HA!)
No! Seriously!
Close-up, for those who dont believe it.

Notice it's a midnight premiere on a school night.

1) I need help getting my costume up...any costume. I dont have ep. 2 here and I dont remember too much, and Trefor is going as Vader, so he's out. (He who says Liea (sp?) gets shot!!! That hair looks f***ing painful!)

2) Some way to knock me out and still make up for the lack of sleep would be cool too, if possible.
Captain Maw 05-04-2005 09:23 PM
$6.75 for a movie ticket!!! wow... what a great place you live in.
$10.25 here, and for something like Star Wars Ep.III, it was probably sold out the minute they were selling due to the ppl camping outside theaters....Frown
Gummibear 05-06-2005 07:00 AM
Well my school was planning to take the whole tenth grade class to see a movie to reward us for doing the CAPT tests, my crush and I wanted to get tickets to go see Star Wars but of course the school dashed our hopes...again.I'm a little upset but we couldn't have seen it anyways since the school rented the theater for May 12. Anyways the good news is thanks to our loyalty to Star Wars, me and my crush might go see it...YES! Big Grin Of course this is going to be a casual outing. (wink,wink,nod,nod,say no more, say no more). In my area I really don't think it's going to be sold out...I haven't seen any tents outside but they could have ordered the tickets online. Which reminds me...I should too.

Edit- OMG! I was just on a Star Wars Fansite when I saw a link to this article. Lucas believes the film is going to bomb...but if that prediction is like the ones made when the movies first came out in 1977 than we can safely assume Star Wars ROTS is going to make a lot of money.
Lupin IV 05-09-2005 08:23 PM
10 days



Anime Smile Drooling Anime Smile
Mr. Fortnight 05-09-2005 10:00 PM
I am so waiting for this to come out. I so want this movie to rock my socks off, but there is this lingering fear, this doubt that creeps in my mind that tells me this will suck.

I first had it after thinking about the last two prequel movies. This movie... I'm actually scared for. Will it be worth the 8.50 I'm gonna be paying for it?
Mike 05-09-2005 10:02 PM
I got my tickets yesterday.

I went to Hot Topic and got a new shirt. Skull-and-crossbones with a Stormtrooper helmet instead of a skull.

Bring it on.
Zopwx2 05-09-2005 10:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by GAT-X105
I got my tickets yesterday.

I went to Hot Topic and got a new shirt. Skull-and-crossbones with a Stormtrooper helmet instead of a skull.

Bring it on.


haha I bought my tickets a week ago. I'm waiting in line with the nerds and seeing it at midnight. Big Grin
Mike 05-09-2005 10:03 PM
HELL YEAH! So am I.

When should I get there?