Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith *warning, may contain spoilers*

Actually the games are considered non-canon. They were based on the old RPG, which frequently contradicts the movies, and were also heavily biased to make fighters stronger. The game makes capital ships agonizingly slow, their weapons can only shoot like 2 km, and such. It appears some things have been put into the movies, like the Juggernaut wheeled assault vehicles. But it appears they decided to change the Victory, if that even IS the Victory. They may actually never show it.

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Originally posted by GAT-X105 Exactly. Vader was pretty much the most badass character ever. The prequels are taking away some of his badassitude, though. Maul could have been an awesome villain. But they just made him look mean and wasted him. Jango ruled. For about 10 minutes. Another waste of a wicked cool villain. Dooku was cool, too. But we all know where he's going. Grievous will probably appear for about 10 minutes, too. Palpatine isn't sinister/scary enough. Evil politicians have been done to death. Black armor wearing wizard samurai are always cool. The ships in the prequels suck, too. Nothing as imposing as a star destroyer, or the Executor, nothing as cool as an X-Wing or the Falcon. In fact...the prequels seem to suffer from the same thing that makes me hate Star Trek. Everything is too clean and perfect. In the old movies, R2 and 3PO are way grungy for most of the time. Luke's speeder is all banged up. Most of the ships, make that damn-near ALL of the non-Imperial ships, are worn, scratched, dented, and look used. Han punches the wall to make the Falcon work. Rebel fighters are all differently marked, with all these little individual repairs and stuff. Like real fighters have. Things break and can be fixed with a simple wrench. The entire universe feels lived-in, worn, it gives it a much more compelling atmosphere than the pristine places we see in the prequels. Sure, it's pretty, but it's so sterile, it has no personality.

Your last paragraph makes a very good point, and yes, I agree with that. But, also keep in mind that the prequals were made to show the "good times" of the "old" Republic, so naturally, things wouldent be worn, scratched, dented, and have personal markings, and people would'nt have to hit the dash board of a frighter to make it take off.
Keep in mind, the Republic army was a very uniformed army, while the Rebelion was a tightly nit, "poorly funded" group. By poorly funded, that means they werent able to replace the ships they lost and repair/update/repaint ect.

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The ships in the prequels suck, too. Nothing as imposing as a star destroyer, or the Executor, nothing as cool as an X-Wing or the Falcon.

I dissagree, the prequals have their own share of intresting and cool ships, just think of the Jedi Starfighter, or the first X-wings, the Rebublic Battle cruisers, N-1 Starfighters, Darth Mauls starfighter, that was cool.
I have to agree, my favorite bad dude, Jango barely had any airtime, ok...so we move on to Dooku, he was cool, but he didnt look coll fighting Yoda.

My 7-year old brother says I shouldnt pay attention to all the big/main badguys and concentrate on the "little guy" the guy actually doing the battle, the Clone trooper, the battle droid, those oh so loveable super battle doids, ect.

Not all of the prequal ships are bad. I've grown to love the Naboo starfighter and the Trade Federation capial ship in particular. The TF starships are meh. As for the jedi starfighter, it was an O.K. ship. It had a pretty neat design...actually, doesnt it become the TIE?


And in defense of Maul. Yes, he hardly spoke, and I too would have LoVeD to get to know the character more. But he was the only jedi/sith to use a 2x saber(so far anyway). And seeing that for the first time was, and still is totally badass.

Personally, I'd like to see some Y-Wings...weren't they supposed to be the standard starfighters of the era? Or at least, I'd imagine they would be...

But yes, I agree with what has been said about the NT villains; they're terrible. Jango and Maul were killed off far too soon, I think. And Dooku...sorry, but I found him rather boring. Dooku would have been a lot more interesting had he been developed over the course of the film, rather than have him thrown in at the end (which is the impression I received watching AotC).

Maul was boring, too. He had absolutely zero personality. His double-bladed lightsaber was awesome, but a weapon a villain does not make.

Palpatine has personality, yes, but...we know where he is going to end up.

That is certainly one of the problems with the NT in general; we already know what is going to happen before it happens. Everything is rather predictible, and I think that really hurts the viewer's emotional involvement...

I like the Naboo Starfighter and the Jedi Starfighter. I like the newer version of Slave I too.

Most of the podracers were worn/scratched/malfuntional. Ben Quadrinaros had to hit his to make it work, though it ultimately flew in four directions instead of one.

There's also a lot of interesting vehicles and ships in the clone battle at the end of AOTC. You gotta look closely though.

Another beef with the prequels: the love story between Anakin and Padme. I'm just not buying it. It seems so forced.

It would be neat to see a early Y-Wing, but they're mainly used for bomb raids. It was very cool to see Slave 1 back in action. Those sound-disrupting missiles were awesome.


Edit: Ah, now i remember. Seismic Charges.

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Originally posted by Lt. Smith Another beef with the prequels: the love story between Anakin and Padme. I'm just not buying it. It seems so forced.

I chalk most of that up to the terrible acting, but I will admit I had no idea what in God's name Padme saw in Anakin towards the end of AotC. The romantic development was terrible, in my opinion.

One thing I will say in the NT's defense is that I have enjoyed watching Obi-Wan's maturation over the course of the first two movies...it is always nice to see a character evolve, particularly over the long term. That brings us back to one of the problems everyone has with the NT; the lack of a consistent villain, one who can be developed and grow over the course of the series. Granted, Vader didn't grow persay in the OT, but we learned something new about him in every movie, and...well, Vader just kicked ass. End of story.

I guess the developing villain is supposed to be Palpatine, and Anakin to some extent.

In the original trilogy, Vader kinda developed from purely evil to good. Maybe it's just harder to do vice versa. Or maybe the acting and the writing sucks.

Speaking of Padme' and Anakin, I wonder why Lucas made an age gap? Why not have Anakin the same age of Amidala?


:pictres Hayden playing Anakin in EP1:



hmmmmm..... 0_o

Is it possible lucas has too much freedom?

When he made the first films he was constantly having budget and technical problems forcing him to be creative in order to figure out ways to solve them. And since then people have grown up with those films.

Now he has a limitless amount of special effects and complete creative control, basicly we're seeing everything exactly as it appears in his head.

Is that a bad thing? Only because all of us know star wars as the OT, flaws and all, while lucas has and possibly has always had a completely different vision.

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Originally posted by Lupin IV It would be neat to see a early Y-Wing, but they're mainly used for bomb raids. It was very cool to see Slave 1 back in action. Those sound-disrupting missiles were awesome. Edit: Ah, now i remember. Seismic Charges.

We would be more likely to see the Z-95 Headhunter before a return of the Y-Wing.

Technically Lt. Smith it is an older version of Slave I, not a newer version.

I believe Y-Wings were pretty old, too. Which is why they all looked like crap and exploded so nice.

Zopwx is right. I think Lucas lost the spirit of the old movies. The new ones, especially Phantom Menace, feel manufactured. It seemed like they only had Jar-Jar in it, and Anakin so young, to appeal to little kids. Darth Maul to sell action figures, Podracers just to sell toys, and whatnot. Yeah, the original movies had toys, but I'm pretty sure there weren't any around with the original movie because the studio thought it would bomb.

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Originally posted by GAT-X105 The new ones, especially Phantom Menace, feel manufactured. It seemed like they only had Jar-Jar in it

Jar-Jar actually played a very important part. It's been a long time since I've seen Episode II, but isn't Jar-Jar responsible for the enitre Clone Wars, the fall of the Republic, and the rise of the Empire?

Jar-Jar voted "Ok, Palpy! Lessa gets youssa thossa bombad troopssas". So, he gave Palpatine the power to rule the galaxy.

Hopefully that will get payed back in episode III, where it would oh-so-cool to see Anakin, or anybody for that matter, kill him.



In SWG, I believe there was an NPC named "Old Jar Jar". He was a Gungan. If you killed him, he would say "Youssa Bad people". That was pretty fun to do...

Yeah, I was glad Jar-Jar had much less screentime in AOTC. You could say that it's all HIS fault that the galaxy came to be ruled by the Empire. Jackass.

Although, Jar Jar is dumb as a brick. I think Palpatine used Jedi Mindtrick (Sith Mindtrick?) on him.

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Originally posted by Wingnut Technically Lt. Smith it is an older version of Slave I, not a newer version.

If you base the ship's age on the time period from the moment it was constructed, then the Slave I in the prequels is newer.

But this a REALLY stupid thing to debate over...

Basically, Im glad that punk Jar-Jar can, to some extent, be held responsible for giving Palpatine his political power. What an annoying character. Hopefully he'll bite the big one this time around...

On a spoilerific note...here are the fights that will go down in the movie:

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-Anakin & Obi-Wan vs. Dooku & Grievous (which splits off into Anakin vs Dooku and Obi-Wan vs Grievous) -Palpatine vs Mace and Jedi (Kit Fisto, etc.) (which splits off to Palpatine vs Mace...where Anakin interferes and fights Mace [more like kills Mace]) -Anakin storming the Jedi Temple -Palpatine vs Yoda -Anakin (Vader) vs Obi-Wan

Pretty much what everyone else has said, but just some clarification on some small details...Of course there's a huge scene where

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the clone troopers turn on their Jedi commanders and the Jedi must fight them to defend themselves (this is where supposedly Chewbacca and Yoda meet, as Yoda is the Jedi commander on the Wookiee world of Kashyyyk)

I wish they'd have more Y-Wings as well in the prequels. They were supposed to be the most advanced fighter of the era before the Empire.

There's one thing that pisses me off about Episode 3:

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from the looks of it, Kit Fisto dies. Kit Fisto, known to my sister and I as the smiling Jedi from the second film, was the "shizz" (or whatever you kids say today). They also made a big deal about him in the Clone Wars. I just wish he had a much bigger part

Yeah, the minor characters are always the best. Kit Fisto, Wedge, Boba Fett, Tarkin...the side characters end up being more popular than the major characters.

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Originally posted by GAT-X105 Yeah, the minor characters are always the best. Kit Fisto, Wedge, Boba Fett, Tarkin...the side characters end up being more popular than the major characters.

And aside from Wedge, all of them seem to croak by the time their respective trillogy is over.

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Pretty much what everyone else has said, but just some clarification on some small details...Of course there's a huge scene where

spoiler (highlight to read):

the clone troopers turn on their Jedi commanders and the Jedi must fight them to defend themselves (this is where supposedly Chewbacca and Yoda meet, as Yoda is the Jedi commander on the Wookiee world of Kashyyyk)

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Ya, remember that blue lady jedi from the trailer...that's gonna be a big one I think.