| Ano Hito | 03-12-2005 01:11 PM |
The special effects are bound to make up for the pitable acting.
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Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith *warning, may contain spoilers*
| Zopwx2 | 03-12-2005 01:57 PM |
I saw the trailer after the OC (ewwww) and It did look pretty damn awesome.
There is definatey potential in this movie to be one action packed ass kicking film that could possibly redeem the entire prequel series.
Although I'm skeptical about yoda fights, the one with dooku lost its cool factor pretty fast. I know palaptine will rule, but could a cgi yoda flipping around be cool?
Anyway lets list the fights we know:
Greivous vs. Someone (obi wan?)
Palaptine vs. Mace
Palaptine vs. Yoda
Anakin vs. Dooku
Anakin (Vader?) vs. Obi Wan
Not to mention a space battle over courscant (sp?)
Something with wookies
anything else?
There is definatey potential in this movie to be one action packed ass kicking film that could possibly redeem the entire prequel series.
Although I'm skeptical about yoda fights, the one with dooku lost its cool factor pretty fast. I know palaptine will rule, but could a cgi yoda flipping around be cool?
Anyway lets list the fights we know:
Greivous vs. Someone (obi wan?)
Palaptine vs. Mace
Palaptine vs. Yoda
Anakin vs. Dooku
Anakin (Vader?) vs. Obi Wan
Not to mention a space battle over courscant (sp?)
Something with wookies
anything else?
| Mike | 03-12-2005 03:21 PM |
Some big ground battle somewhere...probably Kashyyyk, aka Wookieland. Although it looked snowy...
I have a feeling it's Grievous vs. Anakin and Obi-Wan.
Yeah...re-watching AOTC, the Yoda fight was goofy. Yoda jumping around all crazylike was cool at first but it's actually pretty weird.
I have a feeling it's Grievous vs. Anakin and Obi-Wan.
Yeah...re-watching AOTC, the Yoda fight was goofy. Yoda jumping around all crazylike was cool at first but it's actually pretty weird.
| The Fallen Phoenix | 03-12-2005 03:44 PM |
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| Originally posted by GAT-X105 Some big ground battle somewhere...probably Kashyyyk, aka Wookieland. Although it looked snowy... I have a feeling it's Grievous vs. Anakin and Obi-Wan. Yeah...re-watching AOTC, the Yoda fight was goofy. Yoda jumping around all crazylike was cool at first but it's actually pretty weird. |
It's weird, yes, but I still find it rather exciting--and it is not all that surprising to think that Yoda would have a unique fighting style. I'd love to see Palpatine's fighting style: I cannot recall reading about what his lightsaber fighting form is, however. Nevertheless, while a Palpatine-Yoda lightsaber duel really does sound awesome, I will admit I would much rather see a force power-duel as both are supposed to be Jedi (or, in the case of Palpatine, Sith) Masters.
As for the battles in the movie, Zop pretty much has all the known/confirmed ones down (I'll repeat the list for convenience):
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| Mike | 03-12-2005 04:00 PM |
Well from the trailer, it seemed like Palpatine lunged forward towards the Jedi...I would guess his style is very heavy and methodical.
| Zopwx2 | 03-12-2005 04:44 PM |
Technically its not the suit that makes him vader, I think.
I would think its when Anakin turns to the dark side and becomes palaptine's apprentice he becomes vader.
(which is why I think its lame for hayden to be in Retrun of the jedi as the ghost)
I would think its when Anakin turns to the dark side and becomes palaptine's apprentice he becomes vader.
(which is why I think its lame for hayden to be in Retrun of the jedi as the ghost)
| President Alex Rosewater | 03-12-2005 11:11 PM |
I know for sure there is a fight between:
What do you mean massive dissapointment in Episode one!? That one was the best one yet...Episode II sucked because the flowing, and the overall storytelling (except the Battle Of Geonosis which was utterly superb) so... please add some details to your statement.
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| Anikan and Mace Windu. On the Star Wars Ep.III game trailer (comeing out May 5th) I saw Anikan and Mace dukeing it out and ripping the shreds out of Mace... |
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GAT-X105: MOTHER OF GOD! This movie looks like it's going to finally make up for the massive dissapointment in Phantom Menace, and the kinda dissapointment in Attack of the Clones. At least it better... |
What do you mean massive dissapointment in Episode one!? That one was the best one yet...Episode II sucked because the flowing, and the overall storytelling (except the Battle Of Geonosis which was utterly superb) so... please add some details to your statement.
| Mugiwara Luffy | 03-13-2005 09:30 AM |
Yeah, I agree that Phantom Menace was better than AOTC. Hayden Christensen is just such a bad actor...and man, the dialogue in that movie puts me to sleep in about 2 minutes. It only gets good in the end, when they reach Geonosis.
| Mike | 03-13-2005 10:00 AM |
Phantom Menace, compared to the original trilogy...ugh. Maybe it's just because I watched the original movies until I knew them practically by heart.
First, it's boring. Second, it's overly complicated. Trade barriers? Tarriffs? Whatever happened to THE GALAXY IS IN A PERIOD OF CIVIL WAR.
VERY little action compared to the old movies. The podrace was cool, but too long and the space battle at the end blew. Watch the Death Star attack in A New Hope. Kinda similar to the battle here, an all-or-nothing last ditch attack against a fangoriously more powerful foe. And it was done so much better in the old movie. First off, why the hell is the ship's main reactor in the hangar? Secondly, Naboo is saved because a 7 year old accidentally started a fighter, flew around randomly for awhile, and then accidentally shot the ridiculously vulnerable reactor on accident. At least in ANH they shot down the Death Star's tailpipe.
Midichlorians. The mystical, mysterious Force brought down to a misspelled version of mitochondria. Sucked the awesomeness out of the Force.
Anakin is friggin' annoying. I hate him, he should never have been a 7 year old kid, he should have been 12 or something. Oh and the whole "he didn't have a father" thing. WTF?
Darth Maul could have been an amazing villain. They gave him nearly zero dialogue and killed him off. Good job.
The Nemoidians' lip-synch is so off it looks like Power Rangers.
(this is true for AOTC too) Excessive use of CG. It looks fake. Just build a set for once, it'll look much better.
Apparently, the backwater, middle-of-nowhere Tatooine is the most important planet in the galaxy.
Very few things exploded. Watch, say, The Empire Strikes Back. Almost non-stop action for the entire movie. The same goes for Return of the Jedi. Phantom Menace just seems incredibly slow and plodding by comparison. Attack of the Clones is a little better but still not as good as Empire.
Jar-Jar Binks. That's all I'm going to say.
I agree, the acting in AOTC was crappy. Hayden is a pretty weak actor, but I thought the action was a lot better than TPM. Hell, you could skip Phantom Menace completely and just start with AOTC and you wouldn't miss out on much.
My favorite is still a toss-up between Empire and Jedi.
First, it's boring. Second, it's overly complicated. Trade barriers? Tarriffs? Whatever happened to THE GALAXY IS IN A PERIOD OF CIVIL WAR.
VERY little action compared to the old movies. The podrace was cool, but too long and the space battle at the end blew. Watch the Death Star attack in A New Hope. Kinda similar to the battle here, an all-or-nothing last ditch attack against a fangoriously more powerful foe. And it was done so much better in the old movie. First off, why the hell is the ship's main reactor in the hangar? Secondly, Naboo is saved because a 7 year old accidentally started a fighter, flew around randomly for awhile, and then accidentally shot the ridiculously vulnerable reactor on accident. At least in ANH they shot down the Death Star's tailpipe.
Midichlorians. The mystical, mysterious Force brought down to a misspelled version of mitochondria. Sucked the awesomeness out of the Force.
Anakin is friggin' annoying. I hate him, he should never have been a 7 year old kid, he should have been 12 or something. Oh and the whole "he didn't have a father" thing. WTF?
Darth Maul could have been an amazing villain. They gave him nearly zero dialogue and killed him off. Good job.
The Nemoidians' lip-synch is so off it looks like Power Rangers.
(this is true for AOTC too) Excessive use of CG. It looks fake. Just build a set for once, it'll look much better.
Apparently, the backwater, middle-of-nowhere Tatooine is the most important planet in the galaxy.
Very few things exploded. Watch, say, The Empire Strikes Back. Almost non-stop action for the entire movie. The same goes for Return of the Jedi. Phantom Menace just seems incredibly slow and plodding by comparison. Attack of the Clones is a little better but still not as good as Empire.
Jar-Jar Binks. That's all I'm going to say.
I agree, the acting in AOTC was crappy. Hayden is a pretty weak actor, but I thought the action was a lot better than TPM. Hell, you could skip Phantom Menace completely and just start with AOTC and you wouldn't miss out on much.
My favorite is still a toss-up between Empire and Jedi.
| Lupin IV | 03-13-2005 02:26 PM |
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| Originally posted by GAT-X105 Watch, say, The Empire Strikes Back. Almost non-stop action for the entire movie. |
I have to disagree. ESB, a probe droid gets blown up, luke cuts off a wampa's arm, and then the battle of hoth. The beginning had some good scenes, but then it goes into TOTAL SNOOZE MODE as luke goes off to dagobah. It only picks up in the very end with boba's escape/luke vs vader. The asteroid was pretty exciting, but it didn't reall last that long. In the prequal trilogy's defense, I don't think the origianl trilogy had much more action scenes. However, when there was something exciting going on, it was amazing to see and hear and very memorable. I'll admit, TPM wasn't really that action-packed, but then again, ANH wasn't heart-racing for most the time either.
| Mike | 03-13-2005 05:47 PM |
Yeah, you're probably right, Jedi would have been a better choice.
The new ones just don't bring out your emotions as much as the old ones. In ANH you were pulling for the Rebels to blow up the Death Star. You feel so much tension there! In Empire, even though we all already knew he's Luke's father, it still hits you so hard. In Jedi, the battle between Vader and Luke, with the Emperor watching is incredible. There's nothing that emotionally provocative in the prequels. So far.
The new ones just don't bring out your emotions as much as the old ones. In ANH you were pulling for the Rebels to blow up the Death Star. You feel so much tension there! In Empire, even though we all already knew he's Luke's father, it still hits you so hard. In Jedi, the battle between Vader and Luke, with the Emperor watching is incredible. There's nothing that emotionally provocative in the prequels. So far.
| Mugiwara Luffy | 03-13-2005 07:39 PM |
Exactly. You don't care about the characters in the prequels. Since they're all earlier versions of their original trilogy selves, Lucas just expects us to love them. The only characters in the prequels I truly care about are Yoda, Obi-Wan, and R2-D2, probably because they are very simliar to their counterparts in Episodes 4, 5, and 6.
| Zopwx2 | 03-13-2005 07:51 PM |
Think about it this way, we've been sitting around being bored waiting for the bad guy to show up and ruin everything.
we've suffered from a lack of cool villians, Maul killed too soon, jango fett, gone. Throughtout the ot there was always vader.
we've suffered from a lack of cool villians, Maul killed too soon, jango fett, gone. Throughtout the ot there was always vader.
| Mike | 03-13-2005 08:07 PM |
Exactly. Vader was pretty much the most badass character ever. The prequels are taking away some of his badassitude, though.
Maul could have been an awesome villain. But they just made him look mean and wasted him.
Jango ruled. For about 10 minutes. Another waste of a wicked cool villain.
Dooku was cool, too. But we all know where he's going.
Grievous will probably appear for about 10 minutes, too.
Palpatine isn't sinister/scary enough. Evil politicians have been done to death. Black armor wearing wizard samurai are always cool.
The ships in the prequels suck, too. Nothing as imposing as a star destroyer, or the Executor, nothing as cool as an X-Wing or the Falcon.
In fact...the prequels seem to suffer from the same thing that makes me hate Star Trek. Everything is too clean and perfect. In the old movies, R2 and 3PO are way grungy for most of the time. Luke's speeder is all banged up. Most of the ships, make that damn-near ALL of the non-Imperial ships, are worn, scratched, dented, and look used. Han punches the wall to make the Falcon work. Rebel fighters are all differently marked, with all these little individual repairs and stuff. Like real fighters have. Things break and can be fixed with a simple wrench. The entire universe feels lived-in, worn, it gives it a much more compelling atmosphere than the pristine places we see in the prequels. Sure, it's pretty, but it's so sterile, it has no personality.
Maul could have been an awesome villain. But they just made him look mean and wasted him.
Jango ruled. For about 10 minutes. Another waste of a wicked cool villain.
Dooku was cool, too. But we all know where he's going.
Grievous will probably appear for about 10 minutes, too.
Palpatine isn't sinister/scary enough. Evil politicians have been done to death. Black armor wearing wizard samurai are always cool.
The ships in the prequels suck, too. Nothing as imposing as a star destroyer, or the Executor, nothing as cool as an X-Wing or the Falcon.
In fact...the prequels seem to suffer from the same thing that makes me hate Star Trek. Everything is too clean and perfect. In the old movies, R2 and 3PO are way grungy for most of the time. Luke's speeder is all banged up. Most of the ships, make that damn-near ALL of the non-Imperial ships, are worn, scratched, dented, and look used. Han punches the wall to make the Falcon work. Rebel fighters are all differently marked, with all these little individual repairs and stuff. Like real fighters have. Things break and can be fixed with a simple wrench. The entire universe feels lived-in, worn, it gives it a much more compelling atmosphere than the pristine places we see in the prequels. Sure, it's pretty, but it's so sterile, it has no personality.
| Wingnut | 03-14-2005 01:02 AM |
That has been a bit different now that you mention it. However I think that things will seem more worn in Episode III, or will become worn fairly quickly.
I agree with you also on the ships. They say that the Victory class Star Destroyer was developed and built during the Clone Wars, but aside from those wedge shaped combat transport warships, I have not seen even the slightest glimpse of the Victory. A ship I had high hopes for seeing on screen.
I agree with you also on the ships. They say that the Victory class Star Destroyer was developed and built during the Clone Wars, but aside from those wedge shaped combat transport warships, I have not seen even the slightest glimpse of the Victory. A ship I had high hopes for seeing on screen.
| nathjan | 03-14-2005 01:25 AM |
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| Originally posted by Wingnut That has been a bit different now that you mention it. However I think that things will seem more worn in Episode III, or will become worn fairly quickly. I agree with you also on the ships. They say that the Victory class Star Destroyer was developed and built during the Clone Wars, but aside from those wedge shaped combat transport warships, I have not seen even the slightest glimpse of the Victory. A ship I had high hopes for seeing on screen. |
i belivev its the ship in the lower right hand corner in this pic.
| Wingnut | 03-14-2005 01:28 AM |
No it isn't. If anything comes close in that shot it would be the one in the upper right.
| nathjan | 03-14-2005 01:32 AM |
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| Originally posted by Wingnut No it isn't. If anything comes close in that shot it would be the one in the upper right. |
that ship in the upper right is the same ship as the in the lower right, just shot at a different angle
| Mike | 03-14-2005 09:49 AM |
Victory Star Destroyers look like a smaller version of Imperial ones, but with stubby little wings. I'm pretty sure they were made up in the 80s for the roleplaying game, based on an early concept Star Destroyer sketch.
Also roughly 99% of what's in the old RPG by West End Games is incredibly wrong, but it's what everyone goes by.
Also roughly 99% of what's in the old RPG by West End Games is incredibly wrong, but it's what everyone goes by.
| Wingnut | 03-14-2005 09:58 AM |
It is also teh ship I fought with and aginst in TIE Fighter as well. So it is as canon as anything can be that has not been seen on screen (yet?).